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Topic: Why should we tolerate an Intolerant Religion?
AndyBgood's photo
Sun 07/17/11 10:46 AM
Islam, oh yes. There is one religion I revile more than Christianity. Why? They demand under threat of violence in most cases we are culturally sensitive towards them but they don't have to share that tolerance with us. Australia is testing the fence with their new law, show your face when asked by police or go to jail. In France Burkas are banned. In many nations Islam is gaining prevalence they are becoming more violent, attacking Christians openly, and imposing Sharia Law over the law of the land. These are things Christians DON'T do.

So why should we put up with them? Cultural sensitivity? Shoe the left shoe match the right one? Where is Islam's tolerance for us? It sure is not in their Quaran!



msharmony's photo
Sun 07/17/11 11:04 AM
I agree that people should have to show their face to police. As far as what people wear, I Am glad to live somewhere which doesnt police our wardrobes. I think the laws on murder and assault should apply to all regardless of religious affiliation and so there really doesnt seem to be an issue in america with 'tolerating' someone elses beliefs (Which only they truly know anyway) , so long as those beliefs dont lead to ACTION which breaks the law.

lilott's photo
Sun 07/17/11 12:20 PM
Political correctness should be outlawed.

msharmony's photo
Sun 07/17/11 12:21 PM
one of the great philisophical/legal questions


what is the difference between the politically correct thing and the 'right' thing



d24's photo
Sun 07/17/11 01:53 PM

one of the great philisophical/legal questions


what is the difference between the politically correct thing and the 'right' thing




Easy! Opinions

msharmony's photo
Sun 07/17/11 02:10 PM
to steal from gun enthusiasts


religion/political parties arent intolerant

PEOPLE are intolerant

d24's photo
Sun 07/17/11 02:14 PM

to steal from gun enthusiasts


religion/political parties arent intolerant

PEOPLE are intolerant

Some one would have a better chance "Stealing My Soul As To My Guns"WHO IS PERFECT ON FANTASY ISLAND?

AndyBgood's photo
Sun 07/17/11 02:54 PM

to steal from gun enthusiasts


religion/political parties arent intolerant

PEOPLE are intolerant


I was reading my post and had to ask myself what the hell is up with my bad typing. But then I read this and I have to ask...

WTF? What the HELL does this mean?


When a Bible, Quaran, WHATEVER YOU WANT TO CALL A PARTICULAR BOOK, when it instructs their faithful to lie, cheat, steal from, kill, maim , and murder the non faithful, also known as Infidels in the case of Islam, Heretics in Christianity, how can one view such words as anything other than what they mean as written when the very core of Islam is their holy war against Non-Islam.

You hate war but tolerate a religion BASED ON WAR????????????


And then you squeeze guns into this?

Where are you going with this???

AndyBgood's photo
Sun 07/17/11 02:54 PM

to steal from gun enthusiasts


religion/political parties arent intolerant

PEOPLE are intolerant


I was reading my post and had to ask myself what the hell is up with my bad typing. But then I read this and I have to ask...

WTF? What the HELL does this mean?


When a Bible, Quaran, WHATEVER YOU WANT TO CALL A PARTICULAR BOOK, when it instructs their faithful to lie, cheat, steal from, kill, maim , and murder the non faithful, also known as Infidels in the case of Islam, Heretics in Christianity, how can one view such words as anything other than what they mean as written when the very core of Islam is their holy war against Non-Islam.

You hate war but tolerate a religion BASED ON WAR????????????


And then you squeeze guns into this?

Where are you going with this???

msharmony's photo
Sun 07/17/11 03:04 PM
and yet, as a christian, I Did not read such an instruction for myself specifically in the bible

When a Bible, Quaran, WHATEVER YOU WANT TO CALL A PARTICULAR BOOK, when it instructs their faithful to lie, cheat, steal from, kill, maim , and murder the non faithful, also known as Infidels in the case of Islam, Heretics in Christianity, how can one view such words as anything other than what they mean as written when the very core of Islam is their holy war against Non-Islam



we have to presume how each person will ABSOLUTELY interpret a book to conclude that the BOOK will make the person perform such things,,, and we cannot presume any such absolute knowledge ESPECIALLY when a majority of the followers do NOT do such things


,,,thats where I am going with it..

just as a gun, which was meant to take life, and can take life, does not absolutely lead to those who own guns using them to take HUMAN life


(most gun owners dont)

so , a book that you may understand to be instructing people to take life, does also not absolutely lead to those who read the book understanding it that way OR taking life

(most faithful dont)

d24's photo
Sun 07/17/11 03:05 PM
To whom It May Concern-I 100% Hate Muslims! I am also Pro-White I Have a few Black friends that understand It. The Muslims think we THE AMERICAN PEOPLE owe them something and we do. A NUECLER HOLY WAR!!

msharmony's photo
Sun 07/17/11 03:06 PM


to steal from gun enthusiasts


religion/political parties arent intolerant

PEOPLE are intolerant


I was reading my post and had to ask myself what the hell is up with my bad typing. But then I read this and I have to ask...

WTF? What the HELL does this mean?


When a Bible, Quaran, WHATEVER YOU WANT TO CALL A PARTICULAR BOOK, when it instructs their faithful to lie, cheat, steal from, kill, maim , and murder the non faithful, also known as Infidels in the case of Islam, Heretics in Christianity, how can one view such words as anything other than what they mean as written when the very core of Islam is their holy war against Non-Islam.

You hate war but tolerate a religion BASED ON WAR????????????


And then you squeeze guns into this?

Where are you going with this???



the analogy to guns is because of the fact that guns are an INANIMATE object, and therefore cannot have ANIMATE characteristics

just like a book, religious or otherwise

d24's photo
Sun 07/17/11 03:08 PM
Guns save lives by taking lives nothing more nothing less

msharmony's photo
Sun 07/17/11 03:10 PM

Guns save lives by taking lives nothing more nothing less



seriously, what lives are saved during home invasions, or murders, or homicides?

there is plenty more to the harm those with guns can cause,, other than SAVING life,,,

msharmony's photo
Sun 07/17/11 03:12 PM

To whom It May Concern-I 100% Hate Muslims! I am also Pro-White I Have a few Black friends that understand It. The Muslims think we THE AMERICAN PEOPLE owe them something and we do. A NUECLER HOLY WAR!!




has a muslim personally ever harmed you?

natural to support yourself and 'yours', whomever you consider that to be as long as it doesnt exclude or prevent you from supporting others as well,,

d24's photo
Sun 07/17/11 03:18 PM
OK lets say It's 300am you and your family are sleeping. You hear the clash of a window shatter to find a crack-head above your bed with a weapon'Be a knife'gun'axe'whatever looking for a fix and has intentions on harming you or your loved ones.What would you do? Law Enforcement are minutes away. There's no reasoning with the bad guy! You can't talk it out. Gun is the only solution for me anyway. What would you do?

d24's photo
Sun 07/17/11 03:20 PM


To whom It May Concern-I 100% Hate Muslims! I am also Pro-White I Have a few Black friends that understand It. The Muslims think we THE AMERICAN PEOPLE owe them something and we do. A NUECLER HOLY WAR!!




has a muslim personally ever harmed you?

natural to support yourself and 'yours', whomever you consider that to be as long as it doesnt exclude or prevent you from supporting others as well,,


No A Muslim has never harmed me.Hence Im a Free Man.

mightymoe's photo
Sun 07/17/11 03:24 PM

OK lets say It's 300am you and your family are sleeping. You hear the clash of a window shatter to find a crack-head above your bed with a weapon'Be a knife'gun'axe'whatever looking for a fix and has intentions on harming you or your loved ones.What would you do? Law Enforcement are minutes away. There's no reasoning with the bad guy! You can't talk it out. Gun is the only solution for me anyway. What would you do?


a pen might be mightier than a sword, but a nice 9mm will put them both down...

d24's photo
Sun 07/17/11 03:26 PM


OK lets say It's 300am you and your family are sleeping. You hear the clash of a window shatter to find a crack-head above your bed with a weapon'Be a knife'gun'axe'whatever looking for a fix and has intentions on harming you or your loved ones.What would you do? Law Enforcement are minutes away. There's no reasoning with the bad guy! You can't talk it out. Gun is the only solution for me anyway. What would you do?


a pen might be mightier than a sword, but a nice 9mm will put them both down...

drinker Yes It willwaving

AndyBgood's photo
Sun 07/17/11 03:41 PM

and yet, as a christian, I Did not read such an instruction for myself specifically in the bible

When a Bible, Quaran, WHATEVER YOU WANT TO CALL A PARTICULAR BOOK, when it instructs their faithful to lie, cheat, steal from, kill, maim , and murder the non faithful, also known as Infidels in the case of Islam, Heretics in Christianity, how can one view such words as anything other than what they mean as written when the very core of Islam is their holy war against Non-Islam



we have to presume how each person will ABSOLUTELY interpret a book to conclude that the BOOK will make the person perform such things,,, and we cannot presume any such absolute knowledge ESPECIALLY when a majority of the followers do NOT do such things


,,,thats where I am going with it..

just as a gun, which was meant to take life, and can take life, does not absolutely lead to those who own guns using them to take HUMAN life


(most gun owners dont)

so , a book that you may understand to be instructing people to take life, does also not absolutely lead to those who read the book understanding it that way OR taking life

(most faithful dont)






That is such false equivocation! First of all a gun is made to kill like a arrow or spear. A screwdriver is made to drive screws BUT I can also use it to kill. Unlike a gun a screwdriver is not purpose made to make living things die like an arrow or spear. I can still pervert a screwdriver's intended use like the bible HAS BEEN in the past and to some extent now but these days thanks to education and free thinking Christians learned not to equate war to God's will. A few and i men a rare few manage to somehow in their hearts personally justify holy war when their own church does not sanction it! What do you think was the motivation for murder when Christians were planting bombs at abortion clinics? They took the holy mantle of God ad Girded their Loins and SLEW THE WICKED! And about those Salem Which trials. Blood is still on the hands of Christianity too. Don't get me wrong. But Christianity has been gradually coming around. Islam has not.

Like a gun Islam is purpose built to grow and rule by savage authority. Their basic tenants are to "Kill the Infidels!" When one takes up Islam one also is "Taking up their Jihad on the Infidels." I was taught to question the church. Islamics HATE it when I question their religion the same way I did to the Christian Church when I WAS CHRISTIAN! They preach law and fidelity but then I ask them the tough questions like, "You say it is wrong to kill a friend but what if for instance a mob of fellow Islamic had a gun to my head ready to execute me because I refused to embrace Islam or pay them tax but they wanted him to execute me in the name of Allah? Especially if it was his own cleric ordering him to do it and he was likewise under the threat of being killed himself. That is one question most Islamics cannot answer and NOT lie. The fact is that survival instinct would more than likely make any Islamic go Judas on your azz. Actually Judas was ordered by his own friend to turn him in so that don't count. Actually I think the real face of the liar would show itself.

I say the devil is within us. He is within us all. There is no way out of it because WE ARE THE DEVIL! So again blame a tool? If its instructions are to kill in the name of a God or Prophet yes. Guns are not made with the words "Killing is AOK" inscribed in them. A book can be a tool of death just like a gun. It is all about what is said within. the bible says "Thou shall not kill," in many interpretations people look into it a little shallower or deeper. The real translation of that command is "Thou shall not commit murder!" But again a Quaran instructs people to go to holy war, wage it on all fronts, infiltrate, infest, and invade, then kill all infidels and punish the few that you want to keep around and tax them.

A gun manual also has direct instructions to never point it at anyone. So again the two DO NOT COMPARE!

I don't buy the whole, "Its all metaphor and parable" line. It is too clear about what and how to do what they need to to take over. The bible is not parable and fable's only either. it likewise is a history of Judea and then Jesus as well as parables and fables. Jesus was at war with evil. Not his fellow man. One thing I managed to discern from what I have read in the bible is that Jesus too recognized that the evil we face is part of us and is part of our nature. This is much more than us just being sinful creatures. Jesus's words are so mistranslated that I think I got the jist of what he was trying to tell us. We need to find peace with our own evil nature. We need to recognize it is part of us and has its place.

Now for all you Christians out there I bet you will love hearing this from a Heretic Pagan like me, "Look into the mirror because the reflection you see looking back at you IS the devil him/ herself!" the idea is not to fight with it but to manage it. Give it purpose. make peace with it and peace will come to you in ways you never expected. When evil is fueled by conflict why give it what it wants?

Now Islam. They are ruled by fear and principles of malice involving savage acts justified as holy justice. They are exactly the same thing as living in a darker Salem Massachusetts circa 1750 where Infidels are tortured, which hunts for infidels are rampant, and archaic justice applied to any who would dare question the will or motivations of their leadership.

I asked before if you could live under Sharia law as property of man knowing that gave him the right to beat you whenever he seen fit. I don't recall a real answer from you on that. So how about it? Could you live as property? Knowing your husband can whore you out if he wants or if you piss him off for any reason he can smack you up and even kill you if he feels he is offended enough??? Can you???? Is that a life you want for your daughter?????? You are aware that IS a reality for women in Saudi Arabia, Yemen, Quatar, Pakistan, Areas of Afghanistan, Somalia, and a few other African nations. I think it is even legal to kill your wife in Indonesia. About Woman's Suffrage in the Middle East...


I did mention this was a can of worms. Still, spock

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