Last year 33,808 people died as a result of alcohol related automobile crashes in the US.

Hate to inform most but they do not have to have a reason to stop anyone anymore.....They passed that a while back. Those that they do stop only because they found something wrong first most likely knew it was wrong in the first place but continued to let it go... But once they get stopped they will either be the ones complaining the loudest or they will simple fix it and go on....

anyone who is going to go as far back as the 4th amendement has something to hide

They passed what a while back?

Ditto........all I can say either be legal or ride a bike.................

The 4th Ammendment is the protection against illegal search and seizure. Going back??? You mean like going back to the 1st Ammendment which gives us freedom of speech?

the loophole in the 4th amendment here is that they aren't searching or seizing. They are asking to be shown the required paper work for drivers. If a driver doesn't have it, then they are held until there ID can be verified.

These check points haven't been disallowed by the courts, so they can legally do it.

Personally...I would rather they check these things...might catch someone who is wanted for murder or something.

As far as Nazi Germany being brought up....there is no correlation. It's wrong on so many levels

That a Police Officer does not have to have a reason to stop anyone... Matter of fact they can come up behind you now and run your tags just cause they feel like it.

So, you're mad because you were stopped, asked to show your license, registration and proof of insurance and you couldn't, so you were detained. Were they supposed to just let you go because you couldn't show these things? Everyone has to have these things in order to drive legally. Why should you be any different?

who cares what they passed ...he had no papers...

Forget all of the legal mumbo-jumbo. There's a little saying where I come from, and it is as follows: Do the crime, do the time...

You live by the sword, you die by the sword.

Simple as that.

I didn't bring up Nazi Germany. Nor did I say they were illegal. I have worked them before. I know they are illegal. I was agreeing with the OP that it is BS. Our rights are being eroded. And, this is just one of many ways.

I am pro-law enforcement. I was a cop for more than a decade with the LAPD and still work closely with the Los Angeles County Sheriff's Department. In fact, we had a DUI checkpoint here just a few weeks ago. That doesn't mean I think it's a good idea to allow the cops to check for more than drunk drivers. JMO.

Why did you not have your papers on you?

Forget all the legal mumbo jumbo????? Our Constitution is now legal mumbo jumbo???

I hope you are never charged with a crime you didn't commit. Believe it or not, it happens. You might be wanting that legal mumbo jumbo then.

sorry....I didn't mean to imply you did...I was answering your about what Nazi Germany has to do with it.sheesh

And I understand where you think it's a bad idea. I was just giving you another point of view.

We have to obey the laws of the land. It doesn't mean we have to agree with them. Ignorance of the law is no excuse. I got stopped for having no insurance papers once even though I had insurance. They call it proof of insurance. Once before the state police pulled me over and just called it in to verify that I had insurance. He then let me go. But the last time I was pulled over by the county I had insurance papers but didn't find them in time. I went to court as the paper said I had to. I paid the $30.00. The judge said that they used to not have to require proof of insurance because the county police would call it in. The judge said that once they had me on their records it could be used against me again. Of course, that violates illegal search and seizure. At one time unmarked police cars were grounds for entrapment. At one time insurance wasn't mandatory. At one time not wearing seat belts wasn't against the law. If one goes back in time far enough may even found there were no lawyers. And people say there was no such thing as evolution.

electric bikes are illegal here

and i have seen people arrested for dui on a bike

so im sure they can stop you on a bike too

they have even raided bars and charged people with public drunkenness

if they want you thell find a crime

the cop told me he could cite me if he wanted too

for not having my license with me

even if you step outside your house

you need some form of id

but i geuss that makes you not me feel safe

the cop was nice and almost agreed with me

here you need to wear a seat belt to drive a car

but no helmet needed for a motorcycle

exactcly wondered that to...I would really would like to know why you did not have your papers on you....

They did that to me about two years ago, found out he ran them before pulling me over because a car like mine had been stolen and tthey were making sure it was my car I was driving.

voila!...1 example why they have checkpoints