Sex Ed for Kindergarteners 'Right Thing to Do,' Says Obama
http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalradar/2007/07/sex-ed-for-kind.html

Democrats pledge support for wide access to abortion
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/chi-dems18jul18,1,639458.story?coll=chi-newsnationworld-hed&ctrack=1&cset=true

if i had not been free to have abortions....i'd be dead now


and have 34 children behind me

What do you mean by that?

I see nothing wrong with kindergarterners having access to basic scientific knowledge.

They can know that (using terms loosely) that the sky is blue because of sunlight bouncing off water in the air, they can know that the green color of trees is related to turning sunlight into 'food', they can know that the grand canyon is a result of water eroding rock, and they can know that birds lay eggs, and mammals make babies by pairing males with females and birthing live young.

The real question here is -what is really meant by sex education-...one must know specifics before passing judgment. The people who are eager to see an 'evil democrat agenda' will jump to the worst conclusions about what is meant by that phrase.

knowledge is power

bl8ant, very few have your strenght of character &/or would attempt to live your life style.

and NO...i was not using abortions as birth control. and No i am not going to explain.

the sooner we empower our children the sooner they will become aware and learn how to say NO.....to predators

Bl8ant,

"the sooner we empower our children the sooner they will become aware and learn how to say NO.....to predators "

That's MY JOB as a parent, not the nanny states job. I don't want to daughter or son knowing anything about sex when they are 5 and 6 years old. That whole line of thinking is perverse. The two main groups that are focused on making early childhood sex education a priority are Abortion Rights groups and Pediphile Rights groups like "Butterfly Kisses" and NAMBLA. In both cases they WANT the child sexualized earlier in life. The surest way to have a child experiment with sex is to tell them that they aren't allowed to experiance sex.

well spidy

i do agree it is a parents job (i cant believe i said that)

but spidy what should happen to the parents that are not teaching these things to there kids

and what about the kids having kids how can they teach their kids what they don't know themselves

if someone does not like what is being done in the school change school and/or home school

lets just state a fact here most parent are to lazy or to tired to teach their kids like they should

if they did this issue would not be an issue

adj4u,

I'm sympathize with your suffering...nobody should be forced to agree with me. OH how your family must be shamed that you have done such a thing.

But I have to disagree with your premise:
Out of wedlock births accounted for 4% of the births in the 1940s - 1950s, whereas today out of wedlock births account for 33% of all births. Considering that abortions at that time were harder to come by, that statistic is even more startling. This is also before sex was sensationalize by the left and before sex was taught in the schools.

Telling a child "Sex is the greatest thing to two can experiance together...wait until you are ready", will cause kids to assume they are ready at earlier and earlier ages. If you were a child who was told how wonderful sex is, but you had to wait until you were ready, you were be curious at the least. If you were then approached by an adult who offered sex, how much more likely would you be to accept the adult's advances? Children deserve to enjoy their innocence and I refuse to allow a sexual predator or a nanny state to take my children's innocence from them.

i am not familiar with these programs you speak of...

i agree with you though...it is for me as a parent to determine how and when my child is ready to hear such things.

unfortunately not all parents will be as responsible or wise about this as we are.

so what should be done then? maybe these programs you speak of must be challenged ... but certainly something needs to be in place in an appropriate way for all those children who are not given the attention that our get.


then you will suggest it is thru the church???

and guided in a way you feel safe with?

tricky subject.


good topic

dang spidy

again i can relate with your post

put again there is more there than meets the eye

back in the 40s n 50s there was ussually a parent in the home to answer to

today both parents work most of the time

and the crack down on child discipline has also made an impact on how the child reacts to sex

in the 40s and 50s you were held accountable for your actions
and a lot of the unwed conceptions became wed deliveries


but i do agree with you sorta if we lived in the 40s and 50s we should not have sex ed in the schools

but we are 60+ years down the road but now no parent in the home most of the time (not by fault of their own usually)

disaplining your child could lead to criminal charges if you do it wrong

in the 40s and 50s you could spank yer child in the grocery store without worrying about repercussions

not in todays society

adj4u,

"put again there is more there than meets the eye "

Autobots wage their battles to defeat the evil forces of...the decepticons.

Transformers! More than meets the eye!

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Okay...now that I got that out of the way...

I believe that Satan (yes Satan) has been doing social engineering. By socializing the governments of the world, taxes have been raised. With the increase in taxes, both parents are often forced to work. With the increased work load, both parents are usually too tired to give their children the attention they need. Add to this the "liberalization" (actually Liberalization would mean adding more choices, but todays liberalism is more about taking choices away and offering immoral choices in their place) of society. The moral stigma of having a child out of wedlock is gone, replaced with pride in our single mothers. Being a single mother is a tough job, don't get me wrong, but should we take pride that some woman had sex with a guy she didn't want to marry? Another thing is easy divorce. This ensures that more and more people don't feel the need to work things out with their spouse, if they piss them off or if something better comes along, just get a divorce. "If you are pregnant, but you don't want to have a baby, get an abortion! It's not murder, it's a woman's right." Altogether, it's a recipe for moral and social disaster. In our lifetimes, we have seen the destruction of the traditional family, loosening of the laws protecting existing families and judicial fiats that allow for the unconditional murder of the most helpless members of soceity.

As the two links above show, there is now a desire to teach young children about sex and supply them unlimited free abortions on the tax payers dime. I hope for our sake as a country and as citizens of Earth that I'm not the only one who sees this slope of moral decay which we are decending.

and that traditional family was developed and convoluted by Patriarchal religion.....


it has failed and that's why we as women are taking our power back.

we do not all fall down in front of the male GOD....

and indeed as these antiquated systems break down and we have equal rights
or at least(BEST) the freedom to pursue equality.... we must take our place as equals in all fields of social life. the mess men have put the world in is evidence of this fact.

spidy spidy spidy

how could you post such an unpolitcally corect post

i just dont under stand how you could do such a thing

it is almost like you realize the best way to destroy
society is to break down the family unit

and therefor causeing the unity of tribsl units to self destruct

and when the tribal unit disappears then the society gets a
me me me whats in it for me attitude

thus making it easier to change the rules of society
causing the loss of our civil liberties

and making the govt everyones parent

wear your seat belt child

you must not smoke it is bad for you

you don't need a gun they are dangerous its all fun and games till you shoot an eye out (way back then dang red rider anyway)

just to name a few

Bl8ant,

"then you will suggest it is thru the church???"

No, not at all. I think parents should teach their kids about sex. Part of being a parent is taking the reponsiblity of educating your child. I don't need the government to teach my kids about God, my church and I will do that. I don't need the government to teach my kids about sex, I'll do that. I don't need the government to teach my kids about politics, I'll do that. Our schools should stick to teaching reading, writing, history, geography, science and math.

And if the parents don't teach their kids about sex...not really a problem. My parents didn't teach me about sex and I turned out okay. I do want to educate my kids about sex, but I don't want to glorify sex to them either. It's a fine line to walk and luckily I have a few years to figure out what to say.

well alex

i love yaa dearly

but the beginning of the decline of the united states started

after the 19th amendment passed in 1920

bl8ant,

Enjoy your new-found power, but I have to break this to you...

In Western societies (pre-feminism):

Men didn't have the right to easy divorce.
Men didn't have the right to murder the innocent.
Men weren't respected for having children out of wedlock.

Women haven't been given power and equality, they have been given a license to live immoral lives and commit immoral acts without fear of judgement by society or the law.

I am the epitomy of this evil you speak of spider


i am by choice a single mother revolting against patriarchal religion and it's conventions and insideous disease.

i have bourne 4 children , each of different fathers that were in complete harmony with my ideas and are (all but one who was a donor), are involved and deeply connected to their children. i have deliberately torn down the walls of conventional family and extended my house to humanity we are all brothers and sisters we feed each other we clothe each other we have dedicated a lifestyle to humanity and the family that we all are as one humanity!!!

not under any common god or belief but just because we are. I have invested my whole life in this endeavour, and i have clinics and houses and schools in 7 countries that we visit and i pull my kids out of school and i break all the rules and we have seen wars together and come thru magic together my children are incredible and even by conventional standards shine brightly as strong powerful individuals and make a mark in their communities.

SO.....and i never fed them a god or a religion and yet they are moral!! how it is possible??!!!

they are devoted to their lovers hold steady jobs and contribute to humanity in an altruistic manner, why? because it feels GREAT!
because they saw how GREAT it makes me feel to live the life i live to be involved in a world effort to make things move , to fed thousands of people....can you imagine what that is like?

can you imagine what it was like to sit with my 11 yr old son in a village in Mali with feverish children and tuberculosis and malaria all around us and he carried water back and forth for days and put his whole imagination into a marble maze that he constructed from paper carton and occupied the children and had laughter ringing everywhere.

these experiences enrichened his life! had i followed the conventional route ...who would we be??

something guarenteed to be safe and secure?? have you checked out the number of pedophiles in the churches recently?? sorry


not going with the male dominated role modeling anymore .....


i don't know what i am doing...all i know is that it has worked. and with out god and without marriage and without custody or alimony arguements but with choice and humour and and and the courage to act on what was my dream.

Like most issues, this does not fit neatly into a box with a pretty pink bow and a clear cut solution.

In an ideal world parents would be responsible for the raising and education of their children. But we do not live in an ideal world.

The reality is that more and more children are abused.

The reality is that more and more children are having babies.

The reality is that many children are in homes where they basically raise themselves and oftentimes their siblings. Parent(s) have to work. Many do not have the luxury of being able to stay home with their children. True for some it is a choice ... one based upon the lifestyle they want to live. For others though, they barely make it on two minimum wage jobs as it is. Choice or not, this affects children.

Some can't be bothered to raise the children they bring into the world ... or they don't know any better because they are just doing what they know.

The reality is that children ... little girls as young as 8 ... coming from seemingly good homes, christian homes, are performing blowjobs in the bathrooms at schools. Small rural schools, city schools ... doesn't matter - it is everywhere.

They are being sexualized by magazine covers at the supermarket. Advertisements on tv. Sexual content in television programming and movies ... even the innuendo in annimated movies rated General Admission. Their peers ....

Children are being sexualized whether we want them to be or not ... and believe me, I would much rather they weren't. I would much rather they were allowed to be children free to just be but we do them no favours keeping them naive in a preditory world. I do not say instill fear. I say give them information... empower them in an appropriate way given their age.

I don't know the answers but I do know the world looks different that when I was a child. They are faced with so much more at a younger age than I was. Keeping them naive in an attempt to preserve their childhood is a wonderful notion if they lived in the world I grew up in or my parents grew up in. It does not seem to me to be in the highest good of the children to not be proactive, aware and responsive in the face of their changing realities.

Just my thoughts...