wow, what point would there be to having guns on college campuses,,

should we arm elementary teachers too,,, just in case?


be careful what you ask for,,,its rarely as green on the other side once you are standing there,,,

Um self protection??



And I'd be careful what you ask for too, fyi....

Im not asking for anything except that we not take instruments of DEATH and just hand them out freely to every rebellious or potentially crazy lunatic who can pay for one,,,and especially not the ones that can shoot a dozen people in under six seconds,,,,,

Number one, it is a hell of a assumption that all these people who get a gun are going to abuse it, cause it just isn't the case in reality. Number two, people who WANT to shoot a dozen people quickly, are going to do it no matter if they can get a gun legally or not. You CAN'T stop people who are determined to do things like that, all you WILL do is make it harder for those that actually want to defend themselves by making it more difficult for them to obtain.

Lastly, I wasn't just referring to this in the careful what you wish for thing, but more how you view our rights as a whole.

noone is assuming everyone will, Im referring to history however, by aknowledging some will

and in such an overtly violent and oversexed culture, I imagine that number would be quite large enough to make , at least me , uncomfortable

I respect those who would have loved to live in the WIld Wild West,, but Im not one of them


the ones who want to defend themself can probably do it WITHOUT use of some of the more 'automatic' weapons,,,unless attacks by armed mobs have started to increase in this country


the 'they are gonna do it anyway' argument is just too simplistic for me when talking about peoples LIVES,,,

They already have, they're called POLICE. Why do you think they have such a vested interest in taking these guns? Here's a hint, it's NOT about our safety. They could care less about that. It's all about control, and if a populace is armed they aren't gonna make good slaves to authority.

and,of Course the serial Shooters will obey a Gunfree Zone?

Gunfree Zones are Recipes for Disaster!

Already spineless gun control advocates are squawking like chickens with their tiny-brained heads chopped off, making political hay over this most recent, devastating Virginia Tech massacre, when in fact it is their own forced gun-free zone policy that enabled the unchallenged methodical murder of 32 people.

Thirty-two people dead on a U.S. college campus pursuing their American Dream, mowed-down over an extended period of time by a lone, non-American gunman in possession of a firearm on campus in defiance of a zero-tolerance gun ban. Feel better yet? Didn't think so.

Who doesn't get this? Who has the audacity to demand unarmed helplessness? Who likes dead good guys?

I'll tell you who. People who tramp on the Second Amendment, that's who. People who refuse to accept the self-evident truth that free people have the God-given right to keep and bear arms, to defend themselves and their loved ones. People who are so desperate in their drive to control others, so mindless in their denial that they pretend access to gas causes arson, Ryder trucks and fertilizer cause terrorism, water causes drowning, forks and spoons cause obesity, dialing 911 will somehow save your life, and that their greedy clamoring to "feel good" is more important than admitting that armed citizens are much better equipped to stop evil than unarmed, helpless ones.

Pray for the families of victims everywhere, America. Study the methodology of evil. It has a profile, a system, a preferred environment where victims cannot fight back. Embrace the facts, demand upgrade and be certain that your children's school has a better plan than Virginia Tech or Columbine. Eliminate the insanity of gun-free zones, which will never, ever be gun-free zones. They will only be good guy gun-free zones, and that is a recipe for disaster written in blood on the altar of denial. I, for one, refuse to genuflect there.//////
By Oddball Ted Nugent,but here he is definitely on the right Track!

For once (and maybe only once lol) we actually agree on something Conrad. More control will not stop criminals, just punish those who are actually responsible people, not to mention put them at risk if someone attacks them.

I dont believe that more people with guns will amount to less gun death

anymore than I believe that more people with cars will amount to less driving

,,,discussions in these forums seem to stretch to incredible extremes


if you are gonna drive a potentially dangerous vehicle, yes, I want you to be able to see, read signs, and drive straight, Id like some certification of this EVEN though undoubtedly many people who shouldnt legally be on the road will still be endangering others on the road


if you are gonna own an instrument of death, yes, I want you to be able to see, know how to properly use it, and not have any mental issues which may cause you to haphazardly shoot people when things dont go your way, and yes, Id like some certification of those things even though UNDOBUTEDLY many people who shouldnt have guns legally will still obtain them and harm others


the, lets not do anything at all because doing SOMETHING may turn into doing too much ,,,,argument

is quite old,,,


with CURRENT gun control, the gun homicide rate has been HALVED over the last decade from 10 per 100000 to 5 per 100000

So let me see...you think that the constitution gives us the right to protect ourselves, but only with antiquated weapons? Really?

If I had bear arms, they'd probably want to take those too!

Then we may as well have no rights, oh wait we don't anyway because EVERYTHING is regulated in some form. Some freedom we got.

An armed society is a polite society.

The murder rate in Chicago dropped 11% after handguns were re-legalized through a Supreme Court ruling.

http://biggovernment.com/jlott/2011/10/04/chicagos-violent-crime-rates-plummet-after-scotus-removes-handgun-ban/



Here's what I want you to know: You are wrong on gun control. Gun control laws result in more crime and more murders. Supporting gun control means that you are siding with the rapists, murderers, thieves and the rest of the nations thugs.

Criminals are cowards. An armed society deters crime.

Could someone who is pro-gun control please explain to me why you think that taking guns away from the law abiding citizens will make us safer?

Still, that's 30x longer than you would survive, being unarmed and all.

just as much as I believe we historically have permitted parents 'rule' over their children, but not to the point of abuse

I think there are limits and exceptions and the 'founders' werent imagining the 'arms' we now have when they wrote that passage,,

you want me to 'believe' Im wrong, not know it,, as there is no absolute data proving either side of the argument,,,

with our CURRENT laws we have , as I said before, HALVED The rate of gun homicide in our COUNTRY in the past decade,,,

I don't care what you believe, you just need to know that you are on the wrong side of this issue. I think you know this, but you just don't want to believe it or admit it to yourself.

There is. Where ever guns are made more common, crime rates drop. Where ever guns are made less common, crime rates increase. This has been proven all over the world.

I dont believe in taking away guns from law abiding citizens, I do believe in determining how law abiding (and mentally sane) someone is before ISSUING them a gun though,,,,,

false, higher crime rates have correlated to gun ownership in some places and lower crime rates have correlated to gun ownership in some places

no one side has been 'proven' all over the world,,