Topic: Gun control, a must view!!
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Fri 01/13/12 01:35 PM

I dont believe in taking away guns from law abiding citizens, I do believe in determining how law abiding (and mentally sane) someone is before ISSUING them a gun though,,,,,


So the Government would be allowed to decide who could own a gun? This is a violation of our second Amendment rights and it would allow the Government to deny guns to anyone on a whim.

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Fri 01/13/12 01:44 PM
Edited by msharmony on Fri 01/13/12 01:45 PM


I dont believe in taking away guns from law abiding citizens, I do believe in determining how law abiding (and mentally sane) someone is before ISSUING them a gun though,,,,,


So the Government would be allowed to decide who could own a gun? This is a violation of our second Amendment rights and it would allow the Government to deny guns to anyone on a whim.


well, unless we want to hand them out to the mentally ill and children and ex felons, and emotionally unstable (Who are also us citizens, entitled to those constitutional rights, I would imagine)


then, yes, Id imagine some attempt at common sense should be used,,,

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Fri 01/13/12 01:50 PM

well, unless we want to hand them out to the mentally ill and children and ex felons, and emotionally unstable (Who are also us citizens, entitled to those constitutional rights, I would imagine)


then, yes, Id imagine some attempt at common sense should be used,,,


Gun laws already restrict felons, children and the mentally ill from buying and in some cases owning guns. Any further screening would be a violation of our rights to privacy.

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Fri 01/13/12 01:56 PM


well, unless we want to hand them out to the mentally ill and children and ex felons, and emotionally unstable (Who are also us citizens, entitled to those constitutional rights, I would imagine)


then, yes, Id imagine some attempt at common sense should be used,,,


Gun laws already restrict felons, children and the mentally ill from buying and in some cases owning guns. Any further screening would be a violation of our rights to privacy.



that would be a form of GUN CONTROL Then,,,

which is why I argue against those who act as if ANY Gun Control is unnecessary and infringing,,,,

some gun control/regulation (common sense) should be used when issuing an instrument designed to harm or kill,,,

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Fri 01/13/12 02:16 PM



well, unless we want to hand them out to the mentally ill and children and ex felons, and emotionally unstable (Who are also us citizens, entitled to those constitutional rights, I would imagine)


then, yes, Id imagine some attempt at common sense should be used,,,


Gun laws already restrict felons, children and the mentally ill from buying and in some cases owning guns. Any further screening would be a violation of our rights to privacy.



that would be a form of GUN CONTROL Then,,,

which is why I argue against those who act as if ANY Gun Control is unnecessary and infringing,,,,

some gun control/regulation (common sense) should be used when issuing an instrument designed to harm or kill,,,


Less is more. First, we need to build the proper infrastructure, so that all criminals and mentally ill people are in a no-sale database. Then a gun dealer can do a simple check to make sure that the buyer isn't a felon or mentally ill and then sell the gun. No waiting periods.

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Fri 01/13/12 02:20 PM



well, unless we want to hand them out to the mentally ill and children and ex felons, and emotionally unstable (Who are also us citizens, entitled to those constitutional rights, I would imagine)


then, yes, Id imagine some attempt at common sense should be used,,,


Gun laws already restrict felons, children and the mentally ill from buying and in some cases owning guns. Any further screening would be a violation of our rights to privacy.



that would be a form of GUN CONTROL Then,,,

which is why I argue against those who act as if ANY Gun Control is unnecessary and infringing,,,,

some gun control/regulation (common sense) should be used when issuing an instrument designed to harm or kill,,,
"This year will go down in history. For the first time, a civilized nation has full gun registration. Our streets will be safer, our police more efficient, and the world will follow our lead into the future." Adolph Hitler, 1933.

Germany established gun control in 1938 and from 1939 to 1945 13 million were thrown into concentration camps.

Do you understand the trend.
Hitler was a SOCIALIST. LEFT of center. BIG GOVERNMENT.

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Fri 01/13/12 02:27 PM


They keep topping themselves in corruption its almost too easy not to see it.

I probably should own some type of weapon, being a woman and all. I was just at my school today, and it got a little weird. 4 heavyset coppers were patrolling the library like the military yelling at people to get out because they close early. The way he banged on the glass made my heart jump outta my chest. So now my school has a curfew. V for Vendetta anyone? I should buy mace just in case. A pocket knife. Boy was I afraid of them today. I've never seen eyes bugged out like that before.


I give you your terrorists.


Imagine if I threw down with the scum? I mean I have long nails, they can do some pretty gnarly damage.

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Fri 01/13/12 03:47 PM
I know this is dated news, yet it holds merit asto what is CONCIDERED to be ban.

Obama's Gun Ban List Is Out
Alan Korwin - Author Gun Laws Of America
GunLaws.com
3-12-9

http://rense.com/general85/obs.htm

".... Catch-all category (for anything missed or new designs):
A semiautomatic rifle that accepts a detachable magazine and has:
(i) a folding or telescoping stock,
(ii) a threaded barrel,
(iii) a pistol grip (which includes ANYTHING that can serve as a grip, see
below),
(iv) a forward grip; or a barrel shroud....

...Frames or receivers for the above are included, along with conversion kits.
Attorney General gets carte blanche to ban guns at will: Under the proposal, the U.S. Attorney General can add any "semiautomatic rifle or shotgun originally designed for military or law enforcement use, or a firearm based on the design of such a firearm, that is not particularly suitable for sporting purposes, as determined by the Attorney General."..."
"...Note that Obama's pick for this office, Eric Holder, wrote a brief in the Heller case supporting the position that you have no right to have a working firearm in your own home..."

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Fri 01/13/12 03:49 PM




well, unless we want to hand them out to the mentally ill and children and ex felons, and emotionally unstable (Who are also us citizens, entitled to those constitutional rights, I would imagine)


then, yes, Id imagine some attempt at common sense should be used,,,


Gun laws already restrict felons, children and the mentally ill from buying and in some cases owning guns. Any further screening would be a violation of our rights to privacy.



that would be a form of GUN CONTROL Then,,,

which is why I argue against those who act as if ANY Gun Control is unnecessary and infringing,,,,

some gun control/regulation (common sense) should be used when issuing an instrument designed to harm or kill,,,


Less is more. First, we need to build the proper infrastructure, so that all criminals and mentally ill people are in a no-sale database. Then a gun dealer can do a simple check to make sure that the buyer isn't a felon or mentally ill and then sell the gun. No waiting periods.



nothing objectionable in that,,,

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Fri 01/13/12 03:51 PM
Could the Election of 2012 have some influence.
Must have something for the Huffington Post to chime in.

Huffington post, January 13, 2012

Obama Gun Control Policy: President Stays Virtually Silent On Issue

By ERICA WERNER   11/25/11 03:55 AM ET    AP

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/11/25/obama-gun-control-democrats_n_1112979.html

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Fri 01/13/12 04:04 PM
Should one cleave to the belief The Government is looking out for us, then how can you explain, "Fast And Furious" other than to admit they will resort to just about any trick or means to B.S. their way into passing controls.

Hmm, A.G. Eric Holder, all for gun control, in favor of Obama Gun Ban List.
Isn't it just amazing how many of those guns have nothing to do with assault weapons, but just due to cosmetics and new technology they should be "Outlawed".
I think Holder should start enforcing outright violations to the Constitution instead of banning a new and improved mouse trap.

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Fri 01/13/12 04:09 PM
You still believe and hold the 2nd amendment sacred?
True it can't be taken away, yet it can be gutted to the point of being unrecognizable.


Michelle Obama’s warning to gun owners
By Chris Cox Published: 9:41 AM 10/11/2011 | Updated: 4:17 PM 12/13/2011
  
Nearly three years into President Obama’s first term in office, Michelle Obama finally said something with which I can agree.

At a recent fundraiser for President Obama’s re-election campaign in Providence, Rhode Island, the first lady told her audience:

“We stand at a fundamental crossroads for our country. You’re here because you know that in just 13 months, we’re going to make a choice that will impact our lives for decades to come … let’s not forget what it meant when my husband appointed those two brilliant Supreme Court justices … let’s not forget the impact that their decisions will have on our lives for decades to come.”

This was music to the ears of the small, affluent crowd of admirers who cheered and applauded. But to gun owners, Michelle Obama’s remarks should sound like a warning bell, alerting us to the danger ahead should Barack Obama win re-election and get the opportunity to alter the current make-up of the Supreme Court.

When Americans flock to the polls in 13 months, we will not simply decide which direction our country should take over the next four years. Rather, we will decide whether or not our fundamental, individual right to keep and bear arms will survive over the next several decades.

Currently, the Second Amendment clings to a 5-4 pro-freedom majority on the Supreme Court. Just one vote is all that stands between the America our Founding Fathers established and a radically different America that Barack Obama and his supporters envision.

If you want to read something scary, take another look at the minority opinions in the Supreme Court’s landmark Heller and McDonald decisions that struck down Washington, D.C.’s and Chicago’s unconstitutional gun bans. In the Heller dissent, four justices concluded that the Second Amendment does not guarantee an individual right to own a firearm, nor does it protect our right to defend ourselves, our families, or our property. In McDonald, the same four justices argued that the 5-4 Heller decision should be reversed.



Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2011/10/11/michelle-obamas-warning-to-gun-owners/#ixzz1jLnutP7e

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Fri 01/13/12 04:30 PM


"...some gun control/regulation (common sense) should be used when issuing an instrument designed to harm or kill,,,..."


Scarey part about your words "...(common sense)..." is this administrations A.G., other appointments Tim unaccountable sec. Of treasury Geithner, and Czars galore, photo ops. aplenty: fly AF1 over Statue Of Liberty totally with notification of proper authorities, returned caskets when explicitly told no photos to name a couple, yet the list goes on and..., now let's add a plethora of actions, inactions and choices that have used anything but "COMMON SENSE". Most under the Ruse of he being a Constitutional Lawyer. Had to have been an Honorary title.

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Fri 01/13/12 04:36 PM
Another date bit that when added together with what has been batted around is worth a 2nd look.
It's all relevant here and now.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eDfpVeh3RQc&feature=youtube_gdata_player

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Fri 01/13/12 09:29 PM



They keep topping themselves in corruption its almost too easy not to see it.

I probably should own some type of weapon, being a woman and all. I was just at my school today, and it got a little weird. 4 heavyset coppers were patrolling the library like the military yelling at people to get out because they close early. The way he banged on the glass made my heart jump outta my chest. So now my school has a curfew. V for Vendetta anyone? I should buy mace just in case. A pocket knife. Boy was I afraid of them today. I've never seen eyes bugged out like that before.


I give you your terrorists.


Imagine if I threw down with the scum? I mean I have long nails, they can do some pretty gnarly damage.


I will take your word for it lol. :tongue:

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Fri 01/13/12 09:30 PM





well, unless we want to hand them out to the mentally ill and children and ex felons, and emotionally unstable (Who are also us citizens, entitled to those constitutional rights, I would imagine)


then, yes, Id imagine some attempt at common sense should be used,,,


Gun laws already restrict felons, children and the mentally ill from buying and in some cases owning guns. Any further screening would be a violation of our rights to privacy.



that would be a form of GUN CONTROL Then,,,

which is why I argue against those who act as if ANY Gun Control is unnecessary and infringing,,,,

some gun control/regulation (common sense) should be used when issuing an instrument designed to harm or kill,,,


Less is more. First, we need to build the proper infrastructure, so that all criminals and mentally ill people are in a no-sale database. Then a gun dealer can do a simple check to make sure that the buyer isn't a felon or mentally ill and then sell the gun. No waiting periods.



nothing objectionable in that,,,


Except for the fact that mentally ill is entirely too subjective and very ripe for abuse. On top of that, what defines a criminal is so vague anymore that almost anyone could qualify just by breaking one stupid law that shouldn't be anyway.

But yeah, nothing objectionable.........frustrated

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Sat 01/14/12 12:02 AM



"...some gun control/regulation (common sense) should be used when issuing an instrument designed to harm or kill,,,..."


Scarey part about your words "...(common sense)..." is this administrations A.G., other appointments Tim unaccountable sec. Of treasury Geithner, and Czars galore, photo ops. aplenty: fly AF1 over Statue Of Liberty totally with notification of proper authorities, returned caskets when explicitly told no photos to name a couple, yet the list goes on and..., now let's add a plethora of actions, inactions and choices that have used anything but "COMMON SENSE". Most under the Ruse of he being a Constitutional Lawyer. Had to have been an Honorary title.




SOOOO,,,,

LET ME GET THIS STRAIGHT

presidents having pictures taken is not common sense?
presidents appointing 'czars' is not common sense?
OBAMA took a photo of someones casket?

,,,its all news to me,,,,to be honest,,,

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Sat 01/14/12 12:04 AM
Edited by msharmony on Sat 01/14/12 12:06 AM
frustrated frustrated






well, unless we want to hand them out to the mentally ill and children and ex felons, and emotionally unstable (Who are also us citizens, entitled to those constitutional rights, I would imagine)


then, yes, Id imagine some attempt at common sense should be used,,,


Gun laws already restrict felons, children and the mentally ill from buying and in some cases owning guns. Any further screening would be a violation of our rights to privacy.



that would be a form of GUN CONTROL Then,,,

which is why I argue against those who act as if ANY Gun Control is unnecessary and infringing,,,,

some gun control/regulation (common sense) should be used when issuing an instrument designed to harm or kill,,,


Less is more. First, we need to build the proper infrastructure, so that all criminals and mentally ill people are in a no-sale database. Then a gun dealer can do a simple check to make sure that the buyer isn't a felon or mentally ill and then sell the gun. No waiting periods.



nothing objectionable in that,,,


Except for the fact that mentally ill is entirely too subjective and very ripe for abuse. On top of that, what defines a criminal is so vague anymore that almost anyone could qualify just by breaking one stupid law that shouldn't be anyway.

But yeah, nothing objectionable.........frustrated



I know, we should not determine anything about anyone because no standard can be trusted and we should all just walk around with guns and do what we want when we want with no safety nets which might make us dependent,

and we will see a better america :totally debt free, and with very little crime or poverty,,,,,


sounds so reasonable and realistic,, I wonder why no other governments have done it yet,,,,



frustrated frustrated frustrated

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Sat 01/14/12 11:43 PM

Except for the fact that mentally ill is entirely too subjective and very ripe for abuse. On top of that, what defines a criminal is so vague anymore that almost anyone could qualify just by breaking one stupid law that shouldn't be anyway.

But yeah, nothing objectionable.........frustrated


1) I didn't say "Criminal", I said "felon". As in, someone who has served time for a serious crime.
2) Mentally Ill as in having been locked away for mental illness or are currently under doctor's supervision. I would never support screening for people to confirm that they are not mentally ill. If no incidents have been reported before the sale, then the sale happens. Period.

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Fri 01/27/12 05:14 PM