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Topic: Labor's Fight Is OUR Fight
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Thu 03/01/12 08:15 AM
Unions have been fighting the 1% vs 99% fight for more than 100 years. Now the rest of us are learning that this fight is also OUR fight.

The story of organized labor has been a story of working people banding together to confront concentrated wealth and power. Unions have been fighting to get decent wages, benefits, better working conditions, on-the-job safety and respect. Now, as the Reagan Revolution comes home to roost, taking apart the middle class, the rest of us are learning that this is our fight, too.

The story of America is a similar story to that of organized labor. The story of America is a story of We, the People banding together to fight the concentrated wealth and power of the British aristocracy. Our Declaration of Independence laid it out: we were fighting for a government that derives its powers from the consent of us, the people governed, not government by a wealthy aristocracy telling us what to do and making us work for their profit instead of for the betterment of all of us. It was the 99% vs the 1% then, and it is the 99% vs the 1% now.

We, the People

Democracy is when We, the People decide things together -- collectively -- for the common good of all of us. Our country originated from the idea of We, the People banding together to watch out for and protect each other, so we can all rise together for the common good, or "general welfare." Collectively we make decisions, and the result of this collective action is decisions that work for all of us instead of just a few of us. This is the founding idea of our country.

Unions Protect The Interests Of Working People

The same is true for unions. Unions work to bring We-the-People democracy to the workplace. Like the old story about how it is harder to break a bundle of sticks than the same sticks one stick at a time, unions are organizations of working people, banding together so their collective power can confront the power of concentrated wealth. By banding together in solidarity, working people are able to say, "No, you can't do that!," and bargain for a better life for all of us.

Organized Labor Sets The Standard

The benefits that unions win don't just go to the union members, they become the standard. When labor won the fight for an 8-hour day and 40-hour workweek with overtime pay, that became the standard. When labor fought for minimum wages, that became the standard, when labor fought for workplace safety, that became the standard. Labor's fight is a fight to set the standard for the rest of us.

Labor stands up to the 1%, and uses their organized power (bundle of sticks) to win better pay, benefits and working conditions for the 99%.

"Although it is true that only about 20 percent of American workers are in unions, that 20 percent sets the standards across the board in salaries, benefits and working conditions. If you are making a decent salary in a non-union company, you owe that to the unions. One thing that corporations do not do is give out money out of the goodness of their hearts."
-- Molly Ivins.

Eroded Rights

Working people banding together to bargain with management -- "collective" bargaining -- is a fundamental right in the United States, but this right has eroded along with the rest of our democracy. For many years, the mechanisms of government that were supposed to enforce these rights were "captured" and instead were working against the rights of working people. Bob Borosage explains, in, The Forgotten Leading Actor In The American Dream Story,

Globalization gave manufacturers a large club in negotiations—concessions or jobs get shipped abroad. And often the reality was concessions AND jobs got shipped abroad. Corporations perfected techniques, often against the law, to crush organizing drives, and stymie new contracts for the few that succeeded. The National Labor Relations Board, stacked with corporate lobbyists under Republican presidents, turned a blind eye to systematic violations of the law.

So now union workers are down to about 7 percent of the private workforce. Virtually the only growing unions are public employees— teachers, nurses, cops. Not surprisingly, conservative Republican governors, led by Wisconsin's Scott Walker and Ohio's John Kasich, used the budget squeeze caused by the Great Recession to go after these unions, combining layoffs with efforts to eviscerate the right of public employees to organize and negotiate.

The Fight Is On

"Only a fool would try to deprive working men and working women of their right to join the union of their choice."
-- Dwight D. Eisenhower.

Dorian Warren, at Salon in America’s last hope: A strong labor movement, writes,

The fate of the labor movement is the fate of American democracy. Without a strong countervailing force like organized labor, corporations and wealthy elites advancing their own interests are able to exert undue influence over the political system, as we’ve seen in every major policy debate of recent years.

Yet the American labor movement is in crisis and is the weakest it’s been in 100 years. That truism has been a progressive mantra since the Clinton administration. However, union density has continued to decline from roughly 16 percent in 1995 to 11.8 percent of all workers and just 6.9 percent of workers in the private sector. Unionized workers in the public sector now make up the majority of the labor movement for the first time in history, which is precisely why — a la Wisconsin and 14 other states — they have been targeted by the right for all out destruction.

... Contrary to the intent of the 1935 National Labor Relations Act, which made it national policy to encourage and promote collective bargaining, the NLRA now provides incentives for employers to break the law routinely and ignore any compulsion to negotiate collective agreements. When there is little outrage for the daily violations of workers’ liberty (employers fire workers illegally in 1 in 3 union campaigns for attempting to exercise freedom of association), our democracy is in peril.

Restore The Middle Class

Unions brought us a middle class, and now that the power of organized labor has eroded we find ourselves in a fight to keep the middle class. Borosage again,

We emerged from World War II with unions headed towards representing about 30% of the workforce. Fierce struggles with companies were needed to ensure that workers got a fair share of the rewards of their work. Unions were strong enough that non-union employers had to compete for good workers by offering comparable wages. Unions enforced the 40-hour week, overtime pay, paid vacations, health care and pensions, and family wages. Strong unions limited excesses in corporate boardrooms, a countervailing power beyond the letter of the contract. As profits and productivity rose, wages rose as well.

When unions were weakened and reduced, all that changed. Productivity and profits continued to rise, but wages did not. The ratio of CEO pay to the average worker pay went from 40 to 1 to more than 350 to 1. CEOs were given multimillion-dollar pay incentives to cook their books and merge and purge their companies. Unions were not strong enough to police the excess. America let multinationals define its trade and manufacturing strategy, hemorrhaging good jobs to mercantilist nations like China.

The result was the wealthiest few captured literally all the rewards of growth. And 90% of America struggled to stay afloat with stagnant wages, rising prices and growing debt.

Support Bargaining Rights For Labor

We all need to understand that labor's fight is our fight. Now that labor is under attack across the country, we need to understand that we are also under attack. As labor loses rights and power, all of our pay and benefits fall back. We need to support the rights of working people to organize into unions and bargain collectively, to fight our fight, the 99% vs the 1%. This battle right now is the whole ball game.

"To a right-winger, unions are awful. Why do right-wingers hate unions? Because collective bargaining is the power that a worker has against the corporation. Right-wingers hate that."
-- Janeane Garofalo

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http://smirkingchimp.com/thread/dave-johnson/41690/labors-fight-is-our-fight

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Thu 03/01/12 08:21 AM
"To a right-winger, unions are awful. Why do right-wingers hate unions? Because collective bargaining is the power that a worker has against the corporation. Right-wingers hate that."
-- Janeane Garofalo

Murdoch Led The Charge in England Supported by Margaret Thatcher to smash The Trade Unions..since then workers have been forced to work longer for less pay.

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http://smirkingchimp.com/thread/dave-johnson/41690/labors-fight-is-our-fight

boredinaz06's photo
Thu 03/01/12 08:34 AM

"To a right-winger, unions are awful. Why do right-wingers hate unions? Because collective bargaining is the power that a worker has against the corporation. Right-wingers hate that."
-- Janeane Garofalo

Murdoch Led The Charge in England Supported by Margaret Thatcher to smash The Trade Unions..since then workers have been forced to work longer for less pay.

_______

http://smirkingchimp.com/thread/dave-johnson/41690/labors-fight-is-our-fight



First off Janeane Garofalo is crippled from the neck up! Unions have done some good by stopping corporations from running gun shot over workers; however, they are also the reason products constructed by union labor costs so damn much and companies end up out sourcing.

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Thu 03/01/12 08:54 AM
Edited by JERMANICUS on Thu 03/01/12 08:55 AM
Unions are ruining this country. Unions are the reason the steel industry left Pittsburgh. Unions are the reason this state is bankrupt. Unions served a purpose at one time,but that time is gone. Unions are the part of the reason unemployment is so high. Unions will destroy this country.

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Thu 03/01/12 09:38 AM

Unions are ruining this country. Unions are the reason the steel industry left Pittsburgh. Unions are the reason this state is bankrupt. Unions served a purpose at one time,but that time is gone. Unions are the part of the reason unemployment is so high. Unions will destroy this country.


Funny that..I thought machines and Technology contributed most to unemployment...that is why the unions were smashed to make way for the machines.....just saying

Conrad_73's photo
Thu 03/01/12 09:53 AM

Unions have been fighting the 1% vs 99% fight for more than 100 years. Now the rest of us are learning that this fight is also OUR fight.

The story of organized labor has been a story of working people banding together to confront concentrated wealth and power. Unions have been fighting to get decent wages, benefits, better working conditions, on-the-job safety and respect. Now, as the Reagan Revolution comes home to roost, taking apart the middle class, the rest of us are learning that this is our fight, too.

The story of America is a similar story to that of organized labor. The story of America is a story of We, the People banding together to fight the concentrated wealth and power of the British aristocracy. Our Declaration of Independence laid it out: we were fighting for a government that derives its powers from the consent of us, the people governed, not government by a wealthy aristocracy telling us what to do and making us work for their profit instead of for the betterment of all of us. It was the 99% vs the 1% then, and it is the 99% vs the 1% now.

We, the People

Democracy is when We, the People decide things together -- collectively -- for the common good of all of us. Our country originated from the idea of We, the People banding together to watch out for and protect each other, so we can all rise together for the common good, or "general welfare." Collectively we make decisions, and the result of this collective action is decisions that work for all of us instead of just a few of us. This is the founding idea of our country.

Unions Protect The Interests Of Working People

The same is true for unions. Unions work to bring We-the-People democracy to the workplace. Like the old story about how it is harder to break a bundle of sticks than the same sticks one stick at a time, unions are organizations of working people, banding together so their collective power can confront the power of concentrated wealth. By banding together in solidarity, working people are able to say, "No, you can't do that!," and bargain for a better life for all of us.

Organized Labor Sets The Standard

The benefits that unions win don't just go to the union members, they become the standard. When labor won the fight for an 8-hour day and 40-hour workweek with overtime pay, that became the standard. When labor fought for minimum wages, that became the standard, when labor fought for workplace safety, that became the standard. Labor's fight is a fight to set the standard for the rest of us.

Labor stands up to the 1%, and uses their organized power (bundle of sticks) to win better pay, benefits and working conditions for the 99%.

"Although it is true that only about 20 percent of American workers are in unions, that 20 percent sets the standards across the board in salaries, benefits and working conditions. If you are making a decent salary in a non-union company, you owe that to the unions. One thing that corporations do not do is give out money out of the goodness of their hearts."
-- Molly Ivins.

Eroded Rights

Working people banding together to bargain with management -- "collective" bargaining -- is a fundamental right in the United States, but this right has eroded along with the rest of our democracy. For many years, the mechanisms of government that were supposed to enforce these rights were "captured" and instead were working against the rights of working people. Bob Borosage explains, in, The Forgotten Leading Actor In The American Dream Story,

Globalization gave manufacturers a large club in negotiations—concessions or jobs get shipped abroad. And often the reality was concessions AND jobs got shipped abroad. Corporations perfected techniques, often against the law, to crush organizing drives, and stymie new contracts for the few that succeeded. The National Labor Relations Board, stacked with corporate lobbyists under Republican presidents, turned a blind eye to systematic violations of the law.

So now union workers are down to about 7 percent of the private workforce. Virtually the only growing unions are public employees— teachers, nurses, cops. Not surprisingly, conservative Republican governors, led by Wisconsin's Scott Walker and Ohio's John Kasich, used the budget squeeze caused by the Great Recession to go after these unions, combining layoffs with efforts to eviscerate the right of public employees to organize and negotiate.

The Fight Is On

"Only a fool would try to deprive working men and working women of their right to join the union of their choice."
-- Dwight D. Eisenhower.

Dorian Warren, at Salon in America’s last hope: A strong labor movement, writes,

The fate of the labor movement is the fate of American democracy. Without a strong countervailing force like organized labor, corporations and wealthy elites advancing their own interests are able to exert undue influence over the political system, as we’ve seen in every major policy debate of recent years.

Yet the American labor movement is in crisis and is the weakest it’s been in 100 years. That truism has been a progressive mantra since the Clinton administration. However, union density has continued to decline from roughly 16 percent in 1995 to 11.8 percent of all workers and just 6.9 percent of workers in the private sector. Unionized workers in the public sector now make up the majority of the labor movement for the first time in history, which is precisely why — a la Wisconsin and 14 other states — they have been targeted by the right for all out destruction.

... Contrary to the intent of the 1935 National Labor Relations Act, which made it national policy to encourage and promote collective bargaining, the NLRA now provides incentives for employers to break the law routinely and ignore any compulsion to negotiate collective agreements. When there is little outrage for the daily violations of workers’ liberty (employers fire workers illegally in 1 in 3 union campaigns for attempting to exercise freedom of association), our democracy is in peril.

Restore The Middle Class

Unions brought us a middle class, and now that the power of organized labor has eroded we find ourselves in a fight to keep the middle class. Borosage again,

We emerged from World War II with unions headed towards representing about 30% of the workforce. Fierce struggles with companies were needed to ensure that workers got a fair share of the rewards of their work. Unions were strong enough that non-union employers had to compete for good workers by offering comparable wages. Unions enforced the 40-hour week, overtime pay, paid vacations, health care and pensions, and family wages. Strong unions limited excesses in corporate boardrooms, a countervailing power beyond the letter of the contract. As profits and productivity rose, wages rose as well.

When unions were weakened and reduced, all that changed. Productivity and profits continued to rise, but wages did not. The ratio of CEO pay to the average worker pay went from 40 to 1 to more than 350 to 1. CEOs were given multimillion-dollar pay incentives to cook their books and merge and purge their companies. Unions were not strong enough to police the excess. America let multinationals define its trade and manufacturing strategy, hemorrhaging good jobs to mercantilist nations like China.

The result was the wealthiest few captured literally all the rewards of growth. And 90% of America struggled to stay afloat with stagnant wages, rising prices and growing debt.

Support Bargaining Rights For Labor

We all need to understand that labor's fight is our fight. Now that labor is under attack across the country, we need to understand that we are also under attack. As labor loses rights and power, all of our pay and benefits fall back. We need to support the rights of working people to organize into unions and bargain collectively, to fight our fight, the 99% vs the 1%. This battle right now is the whole ball game.

"To a right-winger, unions are awful. Why do right-wingers hate unions? Because collective bargaining is the power that a worker has against the corporation. Right-wingers hate that."
-- Janeane Garofalo

_______

http://smirkingchimp.com/thread/dave-johnson/41690/labors-fight-is-our-fight

and ripping off the Public and the Workers in the process!:laughing:

Conrad_73's photo
Thu 03/01/12 09:55 AM


Unions are ruining this country. Unions are the reason the steel industry left Pittsburgh. Unions are the reason this state is bankrupt. Unions served a purpose at one time,but that time is gone. Unions are the part of the reason unemployment is so high. Unions will destroy this country.


Funny that..I thought machines and Technology contributed most to unemployment...that is why the unions were smashed to make way for the machines.....just saying
or because the Union-Bosses,to protect their Racket told the Workers that they did not need to adjust,that it was better to stagnate!:laughing:

Conrad_73's photo
Thu 03/01/12 10:34 AM

Unions have been fighting the 1% vs 99% fight for more than 100 years. Now the rest of us are learning that this fight is also OUR fight.

The story of organized labor has been a story of working people banding together to confront concentrated wealth and power. Unions have been fighting to get decent wages, benefits, better working conditions, on-the-job safety and respect. Now, as the Reagan Revolution comes home to roost, taking apart the middle class, the rest of us are learning that this is our fight, too.

The story of America is a similar story to that of organized labor. The story of America is a story of We, the People banding together to fight the concentrated wealth and power of the British aristocracy. Our Declaration of Independence laid it out: we were fighting for a government that derives its powers from the consent of us, the people governed, not government by a wealthy aristocracy telling us what to do and making us work for their profit instead of for the betterment of all of us. It was the 99% vs the 1% then, and it is the 99% vs the 1% now.

We, the People

Democracy is when We, the People decide things together -- collectively -- for the common good of all of us. Our country originated from the idea of We, the People banding together to watch out for and protect each other, so we can all rise together for the common good, or "general welfare." Collectively we make decisions, and the result of this collective action is decisions that work for all of us instead of just a few of us. This is the founding idea of our country.

Unions Protect The Interests Of Working People

The same is true for unions. Unions work to bring We-the-People democracy to the workplace. Like the old story about how it is harder to break a bundle of sticks than the same sticks one stick at a time, unions are organizations of working people, banding together so their collective power can confront the power of concentrated wealth. By banding together in solidarity, working people are able to say, "No, you can't do that!," and bargain for a better life for all of us.

Organized Labor Sets The Standard

The benefits that unions win don't just go to the union members, they become the standard. When labor won the fight for an 8-hour day and 40-hour workweek with overtime pay, that became the standard. When labor fought for minimum wages, that became the standard, when labor fought for workplace safety, that became the standard. Labor's fight is a fight to set the standard for the rest of us.

Labor stands up to the 1%, and uses their organized power (bundle of sticks) to win better pay, benefits and working conditions for the 99%.

"Although it is true that only about 20 percent of American workers are in unions, that 20 percent sets the standards across the board in salaries, benefits and working conditions. If you are making a decent salary in a non-union company, you owe that to the unions. One thing that corporations do not do is give out money out of the goodness of their hearts."
-- Molly Ivins.

Eroded Rights

Working people banding together to bargain with management -- "collective" bargaining -- is a fundamental right in the United States, but this right has eroded along with the rest of our democracy. For many years, the mechanisms of government that were supposed to enforce these rights were "captured" and instead were working against the rights of working people. Bob Borosage explains, in, The Forgotten Leading Actor In The American Dream Story,

Globalization gave manufacturers a large club in negotiations—concessions or jobs get shipped abroad. And often the reality was concessions AND jobs got shipped abroad. Corporations perfected techniques, often against the law, to crush organizing drives, and stymie new contracts for the few that succeeded. The National Labor Relations Board, stacked with corporate lobbyists under Republican presidents, turned a blind eye to systematic violations of the law.

So now union workers are down to about 7 percent of the private workforce. Virtually the only growing unions are public employees— teachers, nurses, cops. Not surprisingly, conservative Republican governors, led by Wisconsin's Scott Walker and Ohio's John Kasich, used the budget squeeze caused by the Great Recession to go after these unions, combining layoffs with efforts to eviscerate the right of public employees to organize and negotiate.

The Fight Is On

"Only a fool would try to deprive working men and working women of their right to join the union of their choice."
-- Dwight D. Eisenhower.

Dorian Warren, at Salon in America’s last hope: A strong labor movement, writes,

The fate of the labor movement is the fate of American democracy. Without a strong countervailing force like organized labor, corporations and wealthy elites advancing their own interests are able to exert undue influence over the political system, as we’ve seen in every major policy debate of recent years.

Yet the American labor movement is in crisis and is the weakest it’s been in 100 years. That truism has been a progressive mantra since the Clinton administration. However, union density has continued to decline from roughly 16 percent in 1995 to 11.8 percent of all workers and just 6.9 percent of workers in the private sector. Unionized workers in the public sector now make up the majority of the labor movement for the first time in history, which is precisely why — a la Wisconsin and 14 other states — they have been targeted by the right for all out destruction.

... Contrary to the intent of the 1935 National Labor Relations Act, which made it national policy to encourage and promote collective bargaining, the NLRA now provides incentives for employers to break the law routinely and ignore any compulsion to negotiate collective agreements. When there is little outrage for the daily violations of workers’ liberty (employers fire workers illegally in 1 in 3 union campaigns for attempting to exercise freedom of association), our democracy is in peril.

Restore The Middle Class

Unions brought us a middle class, and now that the power of organized labor has eroded we find ourselves in a fight to keep the middle class. Borosage again,

We emerged from World War II with unions headed towards representing about 30% of the workforce. Fierce struggles with companies were needed to ensure that workers got a fair share of the rewards of their work. Unions were strong enough that non-union employers had to compete for good workers by offering comparable wages. Unions enforced the 40-hour week, overtime pay, paid vacations, health care and pensions, and family wages. Strong unions limited excesses in corporate boardrooms, a countervailing power beyond the letter of the contract. As profits and productivity rose, wages rose as well.

When unions were weakened and reduced, all that changed. Productivity and profits continued to rise, but wages did not. The ratio of CEO pay to the average worker pay went from 40 to 1 to more than 350 to 1. CEOs were given multimillion-dollar pay incentives to cook their books and merge and purge their companies. Unions were not strong enough to police the excess. America let multinationals define its trade and manufacturing strategy, hemorrhaging good jobs to mercantilist nations like China.

The result was the wealthiest few captured literally all the rewards of growth. And 90% of America struggled to stay afloat with stagnant wages, rising prices and growing debt.

Support Bargaining Rights For Labor

We all need to understand that labor's fight is our fight. Now that labor is under attack across the country, we need to understand that we are also under attack. As labor loses rights and power, all of our pay and benefits fall back. We need to support the rights of working people to organize into unions and bargain collectively, to fight our fight, the 99% vs the 1%. This battle right now is the whole ball game.

"To a right-winger, unions are awful. Why do right-wingers hate unions? Because collective bargaining is the power that a worker has against the corporation. Right-wingers hate that."
-- Janeane Garofalo

_______

http://smirkingchimp.com/thread/dave-johnson/41690/labors-fight-is-our-fight

the Unions you're talking about,who were fighting for the Workers,have ceased to exist a hundred years ago!
What is left of them today is an Extortionist-Enterprise,akin to the Mafia!

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Thu 03/01/12 12:01 PM
When technology takes your job, I am sorry, but its called progress. Making laws to protect against progress is absurd and cant work except to cause the industry to become extinct in that region.

The evolution of the working environment has to adapt to the environment or the entity is going to go extinct.

We see this all the time. Manufacturing in the US is nearly extinct becuase of costs. Really doesn't matter what contributes to the costs, all that matters is that we are not competitive any more.

Entitlement is a part of that.

You have to be able to make a comparable product at a comparable price to stay in business this fact is not changed by anyone feelings of entitlement, or tradition, or history, or sense of purpose.

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Thu 03/01/12 12:07 PM
Big Question...How do we combat Mass Unemployment?

boredinaz06's photo
Thu 03/01/12 12:13 PM

Big Question...How do we combat Mass Unemployment?


By firing the president and all of congress then forbidding lobbyists from contacting elected officials.

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Thu 03/01/12 12:14 PM



We have to get the money out of Washington and 86 every member of the house (including the white one) and senate!

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Thu 03/01/12 12:18 PM
Edited by Spidercmb on Thu 03/01/12 12:18 PM
Unions are very harmful to the middle class. Of course the Unions claim that they built and maintain the middle class, they don't want to admit what economists know: Unions raise the cost of goods, reduce the pay and benefits of non-union companies and drive union companies towards bankruptcy.

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Thu 03/01/12 12:20 PM


Big Question...How do we combat Mass Unemployment?


By firing the president and all of congress


YES!


then forbidding lobbyists from contacting elected officials.


No! Wrong! Bad dog.

Go to the source of the problem. Pass an Amendment that clarifies the powers granted to Congress, so that they no longer have the authority to meddle in business. Then the lobbyists will disappear over night.

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Thu 03/01/12 01:05 PM
I've been working in the construction field for 30 years now. I've worked for a non union company when I was younger and union companies after that.

My take on the unions is that when they were formed it was to protect the common worker against unfair wages and benefits. It seems now the tables have turned. The unions now have become big business. I've actually had a labor steward on my payroll tell me he doesn't work for me, he works for the union! I told him to go get his next check from his business agent then.

They aren't looked upon well in the public eye because of the bully tactics used against non union companies. Everyone has a right to work! If you want to work union then join a union, go on a long list and wait for a job. If you want to work non union you should have that right. In my state we have prevailing rates which means that a non union worker makes the same rate as a union member. The non union worker however should thank his union counterpart for getting those good wage rates. Like anything else there are pros and cons to everything. I actually prefer to have a union workforce to get help from. With the type of construction work I do I need experienced help and not a knows how to build a deck in your backyard. I would just like to see more of a balance and not have to deal with the B.S. that goes with them at times.

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Thu 03/01/12 02:54 PM



Big Question...How do we combat Mass Unemployment?


By firing the president and all of congress


YES!


then forbidding lobbyists from contacting elected officials.


No! Wrong! Bad dog.

Go to the source of the problem. Pass an Amendment that clarifies the powers granted to Congress, so that they no longer have the authority to meddle in business. Then the lobbyists will disappear over night.


You got it all wrong! Money is the issue and lobbyists have suitcases full of it!

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Thu 03/01/12 03:08 PM
I dont know. Growing up in Northern Florida, and then transplanting to North Carolina I never ran into unions.

Every step of my career has been my own, every advancement has been a savvy move. Each time I did not feel my effort was represented in my pay I found a means via new job, or additional certification/college to get ahead.

I worked construction until I broke my back, then I adapted and learned technology, then went back to school for physics to get into medical.

Sometimes I took 2 steps back to setup 5 steps forward a year or so down the road, but never did I think for even a second, "Hey lets get together to extort more money out of the place we work!"

I know at the turn of the century working conditions were bad, and jobs where not available unless you wanted to demean yourself, or place yourself at risk. I just dont see it now.

I know what I do I could get paid more for it, but my current agenda is to excel at less pay so that I can pad my resume for upper management. My company knows this is what I want, I have gone from a tech to a senior tech to a supervisor in 3 years. I will continue for a few more years while getting a cert or two, prob a raise or two for my added ability and then take fresh stock of my situation.

For me getting good pay comes from maneuvering at the individual level to remain competitive, and sometimes it means selling my services at a discount to build an advantage for later.

It is this longer term thinking that has paid off for me so far, and no one has paid my way through anything for me, its all been my own sweat equity and smarts.

What I enjoy about applications is the flexibility of employment. I have worked for companies based in other countries (Germany) from my own home on one contract, and on another took a huge pay cut to just keep insurance when my back injury was a factor.

Unions to me kind of seem like a lazy way to go about what I have done without actually increasing your own capabilities along the way. Maybe my perspective is invalid, like I said, I have never seen nor been a part of a union.

I sell my services direct to the companies I have worked for, and I like it that way.

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Thu 03/01/12 06:12 PM
My experience is that unions lead to overpriced, inefficient employees that prevent their companies from competing.

... and then they wonder why their industry dies.

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Thu 03/01/12 06:33 PM
Maybe I am mistaken, but I thought people went into business to make money.. I didn't realize that they went into business to support union workers and provide them their obamacare exempt cadillac healthcare plans.




Conrad_73's photo
Fri 03/02/12 05:23 AM



Big Question...How do we combat Mass Unemployment?


By firing the president and all of congress


YES!


then forbidding lobbyists from contacting elected officials.


No! Wrong! Bad dog.

Go to the source of the problem. Pass an Amendment that clarifies the powers granted to Congress, so that they no longer have the authority to meddle in business. Then the lobbyists will disappear over night.
Right!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

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