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Kleisto....the Bible teaches that God KNOWS All Things. THAT is actually what the bible teaches, and NOT presdestination.  Did you READ the scriptures I posted? They CLEARLY refer to God drawing us to Him, not us doing anything at all. If God chooses not to call a person, how can we choose it? We can't! Here's yet ANOTHER example of it: ""For those whom He foreknew He also predestined to be conformed to the image of His Son, so that He would be the firstborn among many brothers. And those He predestined, He also called; and those He called, He also justified; and those He justified, He also glorified" (Rom. 8:29-30 HCSB). " You need to read your Bible more. ..again, this verse is out of context. Sounds like you need to read it more thoroughly Kleisto. Course it is. If it doesn't agree with you, it must not say what it says right?? 
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Kleisto
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There's no compassion in that either, the Biblical God is NOT AT ALL compassionate. The very idea that a loving God would need the blood of an innocent being to love people again after what other people did, is absurd! Love does not require death to be, period. Then on top of that, even after saying it's for all, if you do one thing wrong, you still die! Again NOT love. 1st Bold - Is ludicrous. God never demands "blood" nor "sacrifices" of the human nature. 2nd Bold - Again, not true. About the 2nd bold, exactly as sin_and_sorrow said. That is exactly why Jesus offers FORGIVENSS. So that alone makes your statement of doing one thing wrong, you will die. Again if it's for ALL sin, everyone should already be saved, but if we're all not, than Jesus's sacrifice failed. Forgiven in the flesh. Not in spirit. Doesn't say that though does it? |
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There's no compassion in that either, the Biblical God is NOT AT ALL compassionate. The very idea that a loving God would need the blood of an innocent being to love people again after what other people did, is absurd! Love does not require death to be, period. Then on top of that, even after saying it's for all, if you do one thing wrong, you still die! Again NOT love. 1st Bold - Is ludicrous. God never demands "blood" nor "sacrifices" of the human nature. 2nd Bold - Again, not true. ********, and more ********. You don't know the Bible either! There are LOADS of references to God killing and calling for killing in the Bible, demanding animal and human sacrifices, and the entire story of Jesus is based on the idea that there needed to be a sacrifice for sin. Secondly, if Jesus's sacrifice was for all sin, everyone should be saved, but yet everyone still isn't. Was it for all or not? Oh? Where did God ever once say, "I demand sacrifice of...."? Everyone while in the flesh, saved. Spirit, however, is not. We are not judged during life, only death. Right back at cha. :P "You clearly have not a damn clue what you're talking about, it's almost embarrassing." |
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Doesn't say that though does it? Actually it does. :) |
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Course it is. If it doesn't agree with you, it must not say what it says right?? 1. I said YOU took it out of context. 2. I'm not a Christian. :P |
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There's no compassion in that either, the Biblical God is NOT AT ALL compassionate. The very idea that a loving God would need the blood of an innocent being to love people again after what other people did, is absurd! Love does not require death to be, period. Then on top of that, even after saying it's for all, if you do one thing wrong, you still die! Again NOT love. 1st Bold - Is ludicrous. God never demands "blood" nor "sacrifices" of the human nature. 2nd Bold - Again, not true. ********, and more ********. You don't know the Bible either! There are LOADS of references to God killing and calling for killing in the Bible, demanding animal and human sacrifices, and the entire story of Jesus is based on the idea that there needed to be a sacrifice for sin. Secondly, if Jesus's sacrifice was for all sin, everyone should be saved, but yet everyone still isn't. Was it for all or not? Oh? Where did God ever once say, "I demand sacrifice of...."? Everyone while in the flesh, saved. Spirit, however, is not. We are not judged during life, only death. Right back at cha. :P "You clearly have not a damn clue what you're talking about, it's almost embarrassing." How about the damn Old Testament? That mean anything? Sacrifice of Jesus not count? Like I said, you are embarassing yourself here. Just quit now. |
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Kleisto
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Sat 03/24/12 06:26 PM
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double post
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Kleisto
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Sat 03/24/12 06:29 PM
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Course it is. If it doesn't agree with you, it must not say what it says right?? 1. I said YOU took it out of context. 2. I'm not a Christian. :P Coulda fooled me the way you're defending it. And still highly convenient to absolve it from saying what it means. |
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How about the damn Old Testament? That mean anything? Sacrifice of Jesus not count? Like I said, you are embarassing yourself here. Just quit now. LOL God never "demanded" Jesus to sacrifice himself. Jesus CAUSED the entire situation. Ask me, God didn't "sacrifice" his son. His son sacrificed himself. Not to mention. God never told any of us to "kill" his son. All us. Like it usually was. |
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How about the damn Old Testament? That mean anything? Sacrifice of Jesus not count? Like I said, you are embarassing yourself here. Just quit now. LOL God never "demanded" Jesus to sacrifice himself. Jesus CAUSED the entire situation. Ask me, God didn't "sacrifice" his son. His son sacrificed himself. Not to mention. God never told any of us to "kill" his son. All us. Like it usually was. But God still needed it to happen did he not? What if Jesus hadn't done it? We'd all have been dead. Oh but God loves it right? BS! And again there are COUNTLESS other examples of God demanding sacrifices, I'm not even gonna bother looking them up. You can do that on your own, they are there in clear print. |
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Course it is. If it doesn't agree with you, it must not say what it says right?? 1. I said YOU took it out of context. 2. I'm not a Christian. :P Coulda fooled me. And still highly convenient to absolve it from saying what it means. ..so its better to break the verse in pieces, and proclaim "it means this"? Kind of a** nine, ain't it? Here's an example: "Fooled me and highly convenient saying what it means." Amazing how simple that is.. |
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But God still needed it to happen did he not? What if Jesus hadn't done it? We'd all have been dead. Oh but God loves it right? BS! And again there are COUNTLESS other examples of God demanding sacrifices, I'm not even gonna bother looking them up. You can do that on your own, they are there in clear print. Jesus' death was to abolish the corruption and sins of our "spirits". Thus, had he not, God, for our sakes, would have had to "flood" us again. Again, OUR mistake. He created a permanent solution. We rejected it. Killed the Son. Gave his life - for that corruption. Countless? And you've not one? Please. *shrug* |
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But God still needed it to happen did he not? What if Jesus hadn't done it? We'd all have been dead. Oh but God loves it right? BS! And again there are COUNTLESS other examples of God demanding sacrifices, I'm not even gonna bother looking them up. You can do that on your own, they are there in clear print. Jesus' death was to abolish the corruption and sins of our "spirits". Thus, had he not, God, for our sakes, would have had to "flood" us again. Again, OUR mistake. He created a permanent solution. We rejected it. Killed the Son. Gave his life - for that corruption. Countless? And you've not one? Please. *shrug* Ok, so a flood would STILL be God killing to break the flow of sin. However you wanna twist it, this "loving" being needed some form of death to be appeased. NOT love. Yes countless, but I'm not gonna waste it on you, because it's clear to me you're not gonna listen anyway. No sense throwing pearls before swine. |
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Coulda fooled me the way you're defending it. And still highly convenient to absolve it from saying what it means. I wouldn't have to.. IF.. You used the ENTIRE passage. Your "list" were all "broken" and taken out of "context". Solves, proves, nothing. Read it all. Or shut up about it. *shrug* Makes no difference to me But to argue over "half a sentence" isn't worth the effort. "Shows intelligence". Word. |
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Ok, so a flood would STILL be God killing to break the flow of sin. However you wanna twist it, this "loving" being needed some form of death to be appeased. NOT love. Yes countless, but I'm not gonna waste it on you, because it's clear to me you're not gonna listen anyway. No sense throwing pearls before swine. So, you're answer would have been let the planet become overrun by pure evil far worst then it is today? Awesome! True.. Swine don't like pearls. Throw us some rubies. Pearls are for the simple minded. |
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Ok, so a flood would STILL be God killing to break the flow of sin. However you wanna twist it, this "loving" being needed some form of death to be appeased. NOT love. Yes countless, but I'm not gonna waste it on you, because it's clear to me you're not gonna listen anyway. No sense throwing pearls before swine. So, you're answer would have been let the planet become overrun by pure evil far worst then it is today? Awesome! My answer is the entire story is total bullcrap, that's my answer. The Bible is FALSE. |
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Here's another thing for ya too. If God is perfect how the hell could it create a flawed creation? The whole idea that we could go against its' wishes and need to be wiped out by a flood or saved from ourselves via a blood sacrifice points to a mistake by the Creator, NOT the created. How can God be perfect if this happened? It couldn't.
There's only two choices, either everything is as it was meant to be, including the existence of good and evil, or God ****ed up. And somehow I don't see an all knowing being doing that. |
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My answer is the entire story is total bullcrap, that's my answer. The Bible is FALSE. Even though Pontius Pilot, and a dude named Jesus were both real people? As well as Caesar.. ..and, well, despite how long the list is of VALID points.. Okay, cool. :) |
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like medicine
some people have a spiritual system that is able to take the words of the bible for the good it provides others systems are too poisoned, and their system rejects those very words or have very bad reactions to it I dont know why it is so,,,but the bible is complex and everyone will not get the same thing from it,, everyone will not be able to benefit from it,and some may even have a predisposition (environmental) to be harmed (emotionally) by it,,,, we debate in circles what the words 'mean' because we arent all able to receive the same messages or have the same perception/interpretation |
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My answer is the entire story is total bullcrap, that's my answer. The Bible is FALSE. Even though Pontius Pilot, and a dude named Jesus were both real people? As well as Caesar.. ..and, well, despite how long the list is of VALID points.. Okay, cool. :) How do you KNOW Jesus existed, where's the proof beyond religion? Where's the physical proof of David's kingdom, which by the way was in a place OTHERS ruled at the time he supposedly did. There is a total lack of validity to the Bible no matter what you say. |
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