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like medicine some people have a spiritual system that is able to take the words of the bible for the good it provides others systems are too poisoned, and their system rejects those very words or have very bad reactions to it I dont know why it is so,,,but the bible is complex and everyone will not get the same thing from it,, everyone will not be able to benefit from it,and some may even have a predisposition (environmental) to be harmed (emotionally) by it,,,, we debate in circles what the words 'mean' because we arent all able to receive the same messages or have the same perception/interpretation Yet the thing is supposed to be the inerrant word of God? No word of God would create the confusion the Bible does, even among believers! There may be BITS of truth in the Bible as there is in every religious text, but it is not and never was entirely accurate. |
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like medicine some people have a spiritual system that is able to take the words of the bible for the good it provides others systems are too poisoned, and their system rejects those very words or have very bad reactions to it I dont know why it is so,,,but the bible is complex and everyone will not get the same thing from it,, everyone will not be able to benefit from it,and some may even have a predisposition (environmental) to be harmed (emotionally) by it,,,, we debate in circles what the words 'mean' because we arent all able to receive the same messages or have the same perception/interpretation Yet the thing is supposed to be the inerrant word of God? No word of God would create the confusion the Bible does, even among believers! There may be BITS of truth in the Bible as there is in every religious text, but it is not and never was entirely accurate. really? thats an interesting opinion, 
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like medicine some people have a spiritual system that is able to take the words of the bible for the good it provides others systems are too poisoned, and their system rejects those very words or have very bad reactions to it I dont know why it is so,,,but the bible is complex and everyone will not get the same thing from it,, everyone will not be able to benefit from it,and some may even have a predisposition (environmental) to be harmed (emotionally) by it,,,, we debate in circles what the words 'mean' because we arent all able to receive the same messages or have the same perception/interpretation Yet the thing is supposed to be the inerrant word of God? No word of God would create the confusion the Bible does, even among believers! There may be BITS of truth in the Bible as there is in every religious text, but it is not and never was entirely accurate. really? thats an interesting opinion, Yes, this is the entire thing, every single religion has bits of truth, like when the Bible says God is love for example, that is true. But not everything is and some is flat out lies, you have to be able to know the difference. A lot of people take the approach that the book is completely right or the religion is completely right, but none of them are. That's the fallacy we fall into, and it's where all the problems we have tend to stem from. Instead of taking the best from all the different religions and leaving the bad behind, we take it all as one thing to be put above all others as what God wants, when it just isn't the case. |
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like medicine some people have a spiritual system that is able to take the words of the bible for the good it provides others systems are too poisoned, and their system rejects those very words or have very bad reactions to it I dont know why it is so,,,but the bible is complex and everyone will not get the same thing from it,, everyone will not be able to benefit from it,and some may even have a predisposition (environmental) to be harmed (emotionally) by it,,,, we debate in circles what the words 'mean' because we arent all able to receive the same messages or have the same perception/interpretation Yet the thing is supposed to be the inerrant word of God? No word of God would create the confusion the Bible does, even among believers! There may be BITS of truth in the Bible as there is in every religious text, but it is not and never was entirely accurate. really? thats an interesting opinion, Yes, this is the entire thing, every single religion has bits of truth, like when the Bible says God is love for example, that is true. But not everything is and some is flat out lies, you have to be able to know the difference. A lot of people take the approach that the book is completely right or the religion is completely right, but none of them are. That's the fallacy we fall into, and it's where all the problems we have tend to stem from. Instead of taking the best from all the different religions and leaving the bad behind, we take it all as one thing to be put above all others as what God wants, when it just isn't the case. religions share similar tenets, so Im not sure about the putting one 'thing' above others ITs like we believe women should have equal rights, so we tend to be in agreement with other governments who stand for that particular value its not that we are putting up our 'way' as superior, so much as we are thinking EQUALITY is healthier the same is true with religion. People blame christianity for all these bad things, for instance, while arguing that religion does not have ownership of morals it cant be both ways,,,,,,if religion doesnt own the morals, than how can it blamed for them when we disagree with those morals? the lessons of the christian bible are similar to lessons and values in other books, and if people think they are 'right' they think they are right on their virtue, not MERELY because of the book but because they AGREED with the book and would agree with any book that held those similar values within it,,, |
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How do you KNOW Jesus existed, where's the proof beyond religion? Where's the physical proof of David's kingdom, which by the way was in a place OTHERS ruled at the time he supposedly did. There is a total lack of validity to the Bible no matter what you say. 1. I didn't say EVERYTHING was valid. 2. How do you KNOW he didn't? You are so big on research, find out yourself like I did. 3. David's Kingdom was, over time, a conjoined effort. Tribes asked and/or submitted to him. Blah, blah.. Do you research entirely, or give up once you found your "answer"? There's a total lack of validity in almost everything.. ..your point? It's not like the story was told yesterday. |
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Yet the thing is supposed to be the inerrant word of God? No word of God would create the confusion the Bible does, even among believers! There may be BITS of truth in the Bible as there is in every religious text, but it is not and never was entirely accurate. "Word" is Jesus. Jesus spoke in parables. He even spoke that they'd not get it right. So, yes, the Word of God was/is meant to be confusing. Faith. Have it or don't. |
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NOTICE Kleisto!!!!
In that scripture you shared earlier,it says, For those God FOREKNEW He PREDESTINED TO BE CONFORMED TO THE IMAGE OF HIS SON!!! FOR...THOSE....GOD....FOREKNEW...HE....PRESDESTINED....TO BE CONFORMED ...TO..THE..IMAGE..OF..HIS..SON!!!! NOTICE !!!It says nothing here about man JUST being predestined ..... PERIOD!!!!! Point being.......the scripture DOESN'T just STOP AT PREDESTINED...IT GOES ON AND SAYS...... PRESDESTINED INTO the IMAGE OF HIS SON!!! AND AGAIN, THAT SCRIPTURES IS TALKING ABOUT THOSE GOD FOREKNEW!!!! POINT BEING...THE SCRIPTURE IS NOT SAYING THOSE PREDESTINED TO BE SAVED !!! BUT IS ADDRESSING THOSE ALREADY FOREKNOWN....THOSE ARE THE ONES WHO ARE PREDESTINED TO BE CONFORMED INTO THE IMAGE OF GOD'S SON !! This scripture applies to those God FOREKNEW .....in other words,The Ones God KNEW would CHOOOSE Him...THOSE are the Ones presdestined TO BE CONFORMED........the FOREKNOWN ones!!! The Word has to be rightly divided and understood!!! THIS is WHY One needs The HOLY SPIRIT,before attempting to get into a deeper study of The Word of God. AGAIN.......Presdestined applies to ONLY those GOD FOREKNEW would CHOOSE Him!! MEANING ONCE MORE....God KNOWS Who Will CHOOSE Him...and once more, that does NOT mean God goes against man's FREE WILL,just because God FOREKNOWS who will choose Him. God will NEVER go against man's FREE WIlL TO CHOOSE!!!! TThe Bible says that we have the CHOICE— ALL who CHOOSE to BELIEVE in Jesus Christ will be SAVED (John 3:16; Romans 10:9-10). The Bible NEVER says God rejects anyone who believes in Him or turns away anyone who is seeking Him !!! BUT.....God Will DRAW man First.......otherwise NO ONe can be SAVED!!!! MEANING...GOD HAS TO DRAW MAN FIRST UNTO HIM!!! But again.... GOD ALSO ALREADY KNOWS WHO will ACCEPT Him !!!  |
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Edited by
MorningSong
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Sat 03/24/12 08:02 PM
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TO CLARIFY ONE LAST TIME...THEN I AM OUTTA HERE FOR
THE NIGHT : GOD DOES NOT NOT NOT PREDESTINE OUR CHOICES!!! HE JUST ALREADY KNOWS WHAT OUR CHOICE WILL BE!!! THOSE GOD PREDESTINED TO BE CONFORMED, ARE THOSE FOREKNOWN !!! POINT BEING: THE WORD PREDESTINED, HAS TO BE RIGHTLY APPLIED AND UNDERSTOOD !! NITE NOW... |
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so sad that this thread got so completely off-topic!!! It's completely on-topic: "It makes sense that this could be helpful for many people as religion has been allowed to run rampant and has been deceptively taught as the only answer to morality, problem solving, recovery, grieving, etc... And in truth it only makes a person sicker in the end. Makes their lives more empty. " You are doing what the OP did. You're associating "sick" actions with religion without knowing how everyone was taught, what they were taught, the quality of their existense and their mental capacity. i am not perfect. anyone who would disdain a topic such as this does not have to participate. agreeing and disagreeing is what keeps these threads going,,,, whatever the topic,,, in this particular thread a person was reaching out to certain individials. terrorists do the same thing,,,but if misinformation is the tactic, its a choice of conscious to offer corrections for those who may be susceptible,,,, OP,, BEWARE!!! Never worry about me, I am all too aware. Glad to have you on the thread and site. |
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Sadly, yes the major religions practiced today can be considered a stunting of human growth. An addiction taught by parents and society. A social ill.
Using fear and guilt as the control to keep the humans trapped in the cycle of destruction. The cycle that teaches them to feel guilty for being a human and to abuse their children and treat women as second hand citizens. But so ingrained that it needs some kind of recovery to help those who have been indoctrinated. |
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Sadly, yes the major religions practiced today can be considered a stunting of human growth. An addiction taught by parents and society. A social ill. Using fear and guilt as the control to keep the humans trapped in the cycle of destruction. The cycle that teaches them to feel guilty for being a human and to abuse their children and treat women as second hand citizens. But so ingrained that it needs some kind of recovery to help those who have been indoctrinated. There is no fear. We don't believe out of fear, we would have to first believe before fear could even have any form of control over anyone of us. There is no guilty feeling either. Why would one feel guilty? Jesus forgives. And who treats women as second class? Because the scriptures I know say they are EQUAL, they are as one flesh. |
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Edited by
Dragoness
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Sat 03/24/12 08:14 PM
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The religious usually verify what I say with each post.
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Just keep up your good work because you verify what I say with each post. How? What have I done that shows fear? or guilt, or anything but love? |
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The fact you think it is love alone verifies it for me so carry on.
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The fact you think it is love alone verifies it for me so carry on. I asked you how it was... explain, I'm kinda thick that way. |
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The fact you think it is love alone verifies it for me so carry on. I asked you how it was... explain, I'm kinda thick that way. The information is all around you. All you have to do is look with an open mind. You don't want to see it so you don't. But that doesn't stop you from verifying what I say in the process. |
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The fact you think it is love alone verifies it for me so carry on. I asked you how it was... explain, I'm kinda thick that way. The information is all around you. All you have to do is look with an open mind. You don't want to see it so you don't. But that doesn't stop you from verifying what I say in the process. Why evade the question? |
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Why evade the question? Same reason most questions are avoided.. |
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The fact you think it is love alone verifies it for me so carry on. I asked you how it was... explain, I'm kinda thick that way. The information is all around you. All you have to do is look with an open mind. You don't want to see it so you don't. But that doesn't stop you from verifying what I say in the process. Why evade the question? I am not evading anything. The answer is right in front of you. Just as I learned, when my mind had grown enough, so will you. Some do die though before their brain and spirit grows this far so I would hope that will not be the same for you. A fruitful journey I always wish on all. |
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The fact you think it is love alone verifies it for me so carry on. I asked you how it was... explain, I'm kinda thick that way. The information is all around you. All you have to do is look with an open mind. You don't want to see it so you don't. But that doesn't stop you from verifying what I say in the process. Why evade the question? I am not evading anything. The answer is right in front of you. Just as I learned, when my mind had grown enough, so will you. Some do die though before their brain and spirit grows this far so I would hope that will not be the same for you. A fruitful journey I always wish on all. I'll ask again, because I'm higly thick and don't see the answer or anything that is about the question(s). How? What have I done that shows fear? or guilt, or anything but love? |
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