Topic: Can an honest person not know what a lie is?
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Sat 04/07/12 10:56 PM
I answered honestly.


The above statement is true if, and only if, you think/believe that your answers thus far have provided me with the information that I'm seeking. If you think/believe that what I've quoted below captures that, then thank you for being honest, but I must say that you are mistaken. You've not yet provided me with your reasons for calling my words a "red flag", and that is the information being asking for.

You're testifying to answering honestly. It only follows that you think/believe that the following two claims are both true and have provided the information being asked for.



You must know what a red flag is before I could explain it.


If "it" refers to what "red flag" means, then you must think/believe that there is a causal relationship between you explaining your own use of "red flag" and my knowing what a red flag is.

If "it" refers to your reasons for calling my words a "red flag", then you must think/believe that you're explanation of your reasoning is contingent upon my knowing what a red flag is.



Once you know what a red flag is, I won't have to...


Incomplete thought makes for incomplete statements.

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Sun 04/08/12 12:52 AM

I answered honestly.


The above statement is true if, and only if, you think/believe that your answers thus far have provided me with the information that I'm seeking. If you think/believe that what I've quoted below captures that, then thank you for being honest, but I must say that you are mistaken. You've not yet provided me with your reasons for calling my words a "red flag", and that is the information being asking for.

You're testifying to answering honestly. It only follows that you think/believe that the following two claims are both true and have provided the information being asked for.



You must know what a red flag is before I could explain it.


If "it" refers to what "red flag" means, then you must think/believe that there is a causal relationship between you explaining your own use of "red flag" and my knowing what a red flag is.

If "it" refers to your reasons for calling my words a "red flag", then you must think/believe that you're explanation of your reasoning is contingent upon my knowing what a red flag is.



Once you know what a red flag is, I won't have to...


Incomplete thought makes for incomplete statements.



Nah, I'm just demonstrating how a self-contained system can't discover it's flaws...

Post the definition for "red flag" and I'll try to explain everything to you...


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Sun 04/08/12 01:52 AM
QED

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Sun 04/08/12 10:13 PM


CTW


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Sun 04/08/12 11:53 PM
It is better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak and remove all doubt.



You've said enough.

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Mon 04/09/12 09:29 AM

It is better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak and remove all doubt.



You've said enough.



Says Jill, who thinks that the literal interpretation of "Are you alone?" is "Are you alone or am I here too".

whoa


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Mon 04/09/12 09:49 AM
You guys are still on about this?

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Mon 04/09/12 11:09 AM


It is better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak and remove all doubt.



You've said enough.


Says Jill, who thinks that the literal interpretation of "Are you alone?" is "Are you alone or am I here too". whoa


Says Pan who apparantly still doesn't understand that what 'Jill thinks' logically follows from his own claims. You'll have that with one who doesn't know what it takes for his own statement(s) to be true.


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Mon 04/09/12 11:13 AM

You guys are still on about this?


:tongue:

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Mon 04/09/12 03:19 PM


You guys are still on about this?


:tongue:



So Jill, are you done licking that chocolate lollipop?


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Mon 04/09/12 08:33 PM
QED

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Mon 04/09/12 08:55 PM


CTW


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Mon 04/09/12 09:58 PM
Still no argument.

laugh

I don't think that you have one.

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Mon 04/09/12 11:08 PM

Still no argument.

laugh

I don't think that you have one.



For what do I need an argument?



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Tue 04/10/12 10:35 AM
To show me that you're here to do philosophy in good faith. Do you want that explained as well?

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Tue 04/10/12 03:17 PM

To show me that you're here to do philosophy in good faith. Do you want that explained as well?

laugh


What? Do you mean act like you do? No thanks, I'm honorable...

I know why you refuse to define anything. It's is so that you may refute it later if you don't agree with something.


I seriously doubt that you know what "good faith" means either...



whoa


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Tue 04/10/12 09:08 PM
Edited by creativesoul on Tue 04/10/12 09:10 PM
What? Do you mean act like you do? No thanks, I'm honorable...

I know why you refuse to define anything. It's is so that you may refute it later if you don't agree with something.

I seriously doubt that you know what "good faith" means either... whoa


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Yeah... honorable indeed... here's some of the 'honorable' responses.

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The honorable Pan wrote:

I hope you never have to serve jury duty.



The honorable Pan wrote:

Would this be easier for ya if I just acknowledge that you could be lying? Or should I expect to be lied to?



creative:Are you asking me to explain how I answered bushido without changing the context but you did not?


The honorable Pan wrote:

LOL, no!

I want you to explain how you knew what the unspecified context or situation was...



The honorable Pan wrote:

How did I change the context and situation and you didn't?



The honorable Pan wrote:

Here's on of those infamous sliding scale of requirements. So only you get to extrapolate huh? Only you have ESP and bushido telepathically revealed all those details he left out? Only you get to draw conclusions? Only you determine if the context was changed? Ahhooonly yoooooou?



The honorable Pan wrote:

"bushido will continue to deny truth to save face..."

Damn, I'm good!



The honorable Pan wrote:

Awww, u hate being proven wrong, huh?



The honorable Pan wrote:

Deal with it. Your thought experiment was only a simple child's game.



The honorable Pan wrote:

Hey, if you want a pissing match, I can piss with more precision and futher than you in that too...

...It's quite funny that you expect people to assume things then cry like a baby...



The honorable Pan wrote:

I think you will do anything, including lie, to save face...



The honorable Pan wrote:

You cried like a baby when you thought I changed the context.



The honorable Pan wrote:

I have 2 conclusions that are prominent.


Soooo, either you're stupid or lying, I went with the latter...



The honorable Pan wrote:

To require someone to make an assumption as to what you mean is a form of deception. Express your thoughts more clearly and there won't need to be any assumptions made.



The honorable Pan wrote:

...your primary mode of communication is deception.



The honorable Pan wrote:

The day you guys meet an honest person is the day you may understand how an honest person thinks...



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That oughta do. It's not everything, nor did I get halfway through the thread...

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Honorable indeed... NOT!

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Tue 04/10/12 09:12 PM
All that and much more, but STILL no argument.

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Tue 04/10/12 11:17 PM

All that and much more, but STILL no argument.


Yup, all honorable, truthful words from myself...

Don't get upset just because you failed miserably defending your claims about me being dishonest. Don't get upset if your lame inuendos are thrown right back at ya. Don't get upset because everyone isn't confined to the same box that you are stuck in. Don't hate me because I'm right, hate me because I'm an azzhole.

Almost all of those quotes had to do with my disagreeing with the use of deception in communication and the exposure of said methods employed by yourself. Thanks for arguing for me there, Jill ole gal.

There's no argument to be made from me. You have proven yourself to be deceitful and biased. It's also a waste of time because you refuse to agree on the very basic of definitions like "there" and "literal". Instead, you would redefine "literal" to suit your misguided understandings. Then you would accept a scenario that had absolutely zero relevance to the literal words expressed when it is painfully clear by your setup and clarification that Jill was just taking a census of who was in the house and was too effin lazy to check for herself. ( = deceitful and biased) Unless you can answer my questions and agree on basic definitions, what's the point, except maybe for a few laughs?



What's the literal interpretation of "Are you alone?" if Jill were to ask Joe over the phone?

*I predict yet again that creative will avoid answering that question* (I also predict misquotes) whoa




BTW, it's still HILARIOUS!


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Wed 04/11/12 12:21 AM
Yup, all honorable, truthful words from myself...


Ahh. A truth claim. My favorite. Let's do some philosophy.

What do you suppose makes any of them, some of them, or all of them true?