Topic: Can an honest person not know what a lie is?
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Wed 04/11/12 12:26 AM

Yup, all honorable, truthful words from myself...


Ahh. A truth claim. My favorite. Let's do some philosophy.

What do you suppose makes any of them, some of them, or all of them true?




Reality...





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Wed 04/11/12 12:49 AM
Good.

Now, how does that work, on your view?

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Wed 04/11/12 01:21 AM

Good.

Now, how does that work, on your view?



With you posting...



creativesoul's photo
Wed 04/11/12 12:08 PM
Incomplete thought makes for incomplete statements. Got an argument?

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Wed 04/11/12 12:28 PM

What's the literal interpretation of "Are you alone?" if Jill were to ask Joe over the phone?

*I predict yet again that creative will avoid answering that question* (I also predict misquotes) whoa


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Wed 04/11/12 01:13 PM
Sophistry.

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Wed 04/11/12 01:28 PM

Sophistry.


Excelent self-descriptive term for you there, kudos. I should have been using it the whole time...


creativesoul's photo
Wed 04/11/12 01:32 PM
I have 2 conclusions that are prominent.

Soooo, either you're stupid or lying, I went with the latter...


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Wed 04/11/12 02:55 PM

I have 2 conclusions that are prominent.

Soooo, either you're stupid or lying, I went with the latter...




And I was correct...

So what's your point?

creativesoul's photo
Wed 04/11/12 07:29 PM
Hundreds of claims... not a single argument.

laugh

Mindless twaddle.

creativesoul's photo
Wed 04/11/12 08:39 PM
There's no argument to be made from me.


Well at least we agree on something. I suspect we disagree on why. It is my considered opinion that you do not know what it is that you're talking about, therefore you cannot effectively argue for it. Rather, your thoughts are reduced to rhetoric, name-calling, avoiding relevant questions, and blatant refusal to justify the claims that you are making.

These are all clear signs of intellectual dishonesty. When one enters into a philosophical discussion/debate, one voluntarily enters into an obligation to justify their claims.

That is done with philosophical argument.

:wink:




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Wed 04/11/12 08:41 PM
Got one for why Joe's honest answer SHOULD BE "No, of course not" given the original context? I mean, come on...

We're now 20 something odd pages later, and you've yet to justify that claim.


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Wed 04/11/12 08:46 PM
Do you or do you not feel obligated and/or responsible to justify your own claims? Do you figure that you do not owe myself and/or the audience(assuming anyone else has the wear-with-all to sift through this mess) an explanation of how you've arrived at the conclusions that you have?

huh

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Wed 04/11/12 08:48 PM


What's the literal interpretation of "Are you alone?" if Jill were to ask Joe over the phone?

*I predict yet again that creative will avoid answering that question* (I also predict misquotes) whoa


The more relevant question is...

Given the original context, what do you think that "Are you the only one here?" means?

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Wed 04/11/12 10:17 PM

There's no argument to be made from me.


Well at least we agree on something. I suspect we disagree on why. It is my considered opinion that you do not know what it is that you're talking about, therefore you cannot effectively argue for it. Rather, your thoughts are reduced to rhetoric, name-calling, avoiding relevant questions, and blatant refusal to justify the claims that you are making.

These are all clear signs of intellectual dishonesty. When one enters into a philosophical discussion/debate, one voluntarily enters into an obligation to justify their claims.

That is done with philosophical argument.

:wink:






Misquote and all, damn you're predictable...



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There's no argument to be made from me. You have proven yourself to be deceitful and biased. It's also a waste of time because you refuse to agree on the very basic of definitions like "there" and "literal". Instead, you would redefine "literal" to suit your misguided understandings. Then you would accept a scenario that had absolutely zero relevance to the literal words expressed when it is painfully clear by your setup and clarification that Jill was just taking a census of who was in the house and was too effin lazy to check for herself. ( = deceitful and biased) Unless you can answer my questions and agree on basic definitions, what's the point, except maybe for a few laughs?



What's the literal interpretation of "Are you alone?" if Jill were to ask Joe over the phone?

*I predict yet again that creative will avoid answering that question* (I also predict misquotes) whoa




BTW, it's still HILARIOUS!




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Wed 04/11/12 10:36 PM
You have an odd way of identifying a misquote. That quote was exactly your words... verbatim. Speaking of literal, do you still hold the following as the basis of your 'argument'?

I'm basing an argument on the possibility that Joe doesn't assume anything and simply answers the question as posed without inferring anything not stated.








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Wed 04/11/12 10:47 PM

You have an odd way of identifying a misquote. That quote was exactly your words... verbatim. Speaking of literal, do you still hold the following as the basis of your 'argument'?

I'm basing an argument on the possibility that Joe doesn't assume anything and simply answers the question as posed without inferring anything not stated.







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Unless you can answer my questions and agree on basic definitions, what's the point, except maybe for a few laughs?



What's the literal interpretation of "Are you alone?" if Jill were to ask Joe over the phone?

*I predict yet again that creative will avoid answering that question* (I also predict misquotes) whoa




BTW, it's still HILARIOUS!






creativesoul's photo
Wed 04/11/12 10:53 PM
Do you still hold the following as the basis of your 'argument'?

I'm basing an argument on the possibility that Joe doesn't assume anything and simply answers the question as posed without inferring anything not stated.








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Wed 04/11/12 11:01 PM
Alright. Let's discuss some scenarios...

Joe is in one room of a house. Jill comes in and asks Joe if he's the only one there. Joe answers "yes, of course". Unbeknownst to Joe, Mary is in the other room.

Is Joe lying?


Joe is most certainly lying...



He did lie if you take the question and his knowledge literally.

Joe Knew Jill was also in the room as he responded to her question.

What Joe did was assume that Jill meant anyone besides herself and Joe.



I'm basing an argument on the possibility that Joe doesn't assume anything and simply answers the question as posed without inferring anything not stated.


Do you or do you not stand by the above claims?

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Wed 04/11/12 11:10 PM
It is impossible for that argument to be true because it is impossible "that Joe doesn't assume anything and simply answers the question as posed without inferring anything not stated."

Do you understand that?

huh