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Topic: Can an honest person not know what a lie is?
Peter_Pan69 Joined Sun 08/23/09 Posts: 2781	Mon 07/02/12 08:35 AM
This thread was over in the first few pages, but because of spiteful interactions we have 40+pages. You can know a lie when you know the context of another persons knowledge, and catch them misrepresenting their own knowledge. I set up a logical presentation, initially without enough clarity assuming others would play nice, and it works just fine. Nothing more needed to be done, but creative thinks he can reason with peter, IMHO the biggest mistake creative has ever made. And it took you this long to admit your mistake??? I made no mistake except expecting you to work with me vs against me regardless of the scope of the topic. Pay attention to the bolded words above. You denied that earlier... I will not "work with you" to conspire to call someone a liar whether they are real or hypothetical. Classic peter. Equivocating the meanings of words to suit his narrative. That's a baseless claim. Maybe you should just resort to name-calling...

creativesoul Joined Mon 04/16/07 Posts: 9166	Thu 07/19/12 08:49 PM
This thread was over in the first few pages, but because of spiteful interactions we have 40+pages. You can know a lie when you know the context of another persons knowledge, and catch them misrepresenting their own knowledge. I set up a logical presentation, initially without enough clarity assuming others would play nice, and it works just fine. Nothing more needed to be done, but creative thinks he can reason with peter, IMHO the biggest mistake creative has ever made. Heya Bushi... ah, sometimes I learn stuff, other times not.

creativesoul Joined Mon 04/16/07 Posts: 9166	Fri 07/20/12 11:11 AM
Bushido, Perhaps we can have a more engaging and fruitful dialogue than this thread has seemed to produce otherwise. If you would could you further explain for me what you mean by "know(ing) the context of another's knowledge"?

creativesoul Joined Mon 04/16/07 Posts: 9166	Fri 07/20/12 11:21 AM
Classic peter. Equivocating the meanings of words to suit his narrative. That's a baseless claim. To quite the contrary, the thread itself serves as the base, as do the many debates that you and I have had. All one must do is go look.

gambitten Joined Sun 09/09/12 Posts: 2	Sun 09/16/12 10:40 AM
whether or not a person is honest, the truth will not be known until the soul and spirit depart from the flesh, at which time in space no opportunity to exerscise faith to believe truth exists any longer. At which juncture, knowledge of truth supersedes faith and belief because revelation of the knowledge of truth renders faith and belief moot. understanding of the knowledge of truth may be wanting at such a juncture, such that the gardener separates the wheat from the chaff once plucked from the vine and puts the wheat in the barn and the chaff in the fire. Separation occurred at the moment the wheat and the chaff severed from the vine. The moral of the story is in the disposition of the seed within itself, which is an allegorical metaphor referencing Natural Law and Nature's God.

ilu19 Joined Thu 09/20/12 Posts: 3	Sun 09/23/12 11:04 AM
i think dear ... the biggest lie is that there is a honest person ..... i think no one is purely honest ... there is a devil in every person's mind ...

s1owhand Joined Fri 05/18/07 Posts: 29437	Sun 09/23/12 08:11 PM
let's look at it this way. an honest person is observant and lives in a world where there are many untruthful things said. it is easy for them to see that these are untruthful so they can understand the nature of lying. For example, at school a student friend tells the teacher that their dog ate their homework but the honest person knows that the person making the excuse does not have a dog and had previously told the honest person that they had to go to play a new video game the prior evening and time got away from them and they never got their homework done. of course this hypothetical situation is extremely rare. so AHA the deception is revealed.

Peter_Pan69 Joined Sun 08/23/09 Posts: 2781	Wed 09/26/12 04:04 PM
let's look at it this way. an honest person is observant and lives in a world where there are many untruthful things said. it is easy for them to see that these are untruthful so they can understand the nature of lying. For example, at school a student friend tells the teacher that their dog ate their homework but the honest person knows that the person making the excuse does not have a dog and had previously told the honest person that they had to go to play a new video game the prior evening and time got away from them and they never got their homework done. of course this hypothetical situation is extremely rare. so AHA the deception is revealed. The deception was revealed 30 odd pages ago...

willowdraga Joined Sat 10/13/12 Posts: 957	Sat 10/13/12 03:04 PM
This question has come as a result of several different conversations that I've had in recent past. I'm currently undecided on the matter, which is new for me... So whatcha think, and more importantly how do you arrive at that conclusion? Hi Creative Well, I think you covered this before kind of....if a person believes it is the truth then yea they do not know it is a lie. Now if we are talking of say a habitual liar, they have a mental disorder and just say what they believe others want to hear at the moment. It becomes so ingrained that they cannot distinguish how to tell the truth without help from a therapist.