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Topic: Teacher Threatens Student with Jail for 'Speaking Ill' of Ob
mightymoe Joined Sun 11/19/06 Posts: 37362	Mon 05/21/12 05:05 PM
Last Monday, a high school student at North Rowan High School in Spencer, North Carolina, engaged his social studies teacher in a verbal fight about the two leading presidential candidates. The argument started after the unnamed teacher presented her "fact of the day" about Mitt Romney being a bully back in high school. The unnamed male student then claimed that President Obama had also been a bully. During the 10-minute verbal exchange, which was recorded (video below), the teacher accused the student of disrespecting President Obama and added that the boy could be jailed for speaking ill of the president. The school district is not releasing the name of the teacher, who has not been suspended or faced disciplinary action. A statement from the school was released at the end of last week to the Salisbury Post read in part: "The Rowan-Salisbury School System expects all students and employees to be respectful in the school environment and for all teachers to maintain their professionalism in the classroom. This incident should serve as an education for all teachers to stop and reflect on their interaction with students. Due to personnel and student confidentiality, we cannot discuss the matter publicly." http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=vjpWaESn_9g#!

msharmony Joined Mon 08/31/09 Posts: 61041	Mon 05/21/12 05:21 PM Edited by msharmony on Mon 05/21/12 05:22 PM
he wasnt suspended, expelled? good deal,, no harm here,,,, except this 'engaged his social studies teacher in a verbal fight' which may be enough to bring about an accusation of insubordination which , for whatever topic, may qualify for suspension in some schools

Sojourning_Soul Joined Fri 02/13/09 Posts: 10767	Mon 05/21/12 06:19 PM
he wasnt suspended, expelled? good deal,, no harm here,,,, except this 'engaged his social studies teacher in a verbal fight' which may be enough to bring about an accusation of insubordination which , for whatever topic, may qualify for suspension in some schools Yep! Heaven forbid our children develope a mind and opinion of their own!

mightymoe Joined Sun 11/19/06 Posts: 37362	Mon 05/21/12 06:22 PM
he wasnt suspended, expelled? good deal,, no harm here,,,, except this 'engaged his social studies teacher in a verbal fight' which may be enough to bring about an accusation of insubordination which , for whatever topic, may qualify for suspension in some schools left wingers harassing kids for having an opinion...

willing2 Joined Sun 06/08/08 Posts: 20221	Mon 05/21/12 06:41 PM
Dang. I was wanting to send her an email pic with Barry in drag or the Jackass one.

msharmony Joined Mon 08/31/09 Posts: 61041	Mon 05/21/12 07:26 PM
he wasnt suspended, expelled? good deal,, no harm here,,,, except this 'engaged his social studies teacher in a verbal fight' which may be enough to bring about an accusation of insubordination which , for whatever topic, may qualify for suspension in some schools Yep! Heaven forbid our children develope a mind and opinion of their own! apparently noone forbid it,, he is still in school... even though I know other students who ARGUED with teachers over other topics and were suspended for insubordination

msharmony Joined Mon 08/31/09 Posts: 61041	Mon 05/21/12 07:27 PM Edited by msharmony on Mon 05/21/12 07:32 PM
he wasnt suspended, expelled? good deal,, no harm here,,,, except this 'engaged his social studies teacher in a verbal fight' which may be enough to bring about an accusation of insubordination which , for whatever topic, may qualify for suspension in some schools left wingers harassing kids for having an opinion... there is a thin line between 'having an opinion' and being disruptive or insubordinate that difference is usually outlined in some contract,,, this teachar sounds like she has no control of her classroom though and she speaks to them like she is also a teen,,,,, but in that context, because of that 'familiar' style, she got what she is teaching because she apparently allows this type of back and forth during a classroom,,,,,

Sojourning_Soul Joined Fri 02/13/09 Posts: 10767	Mon 05/21/12 07:58 PM
What this says in short form.... So much for "higher" education! I thought it was a learning process for developing young minds, NOT a "do as I say" gov't run institution!

msharmony Joined Mon 08/31/09 Posts: 61041	Mon 05/21/12 08:15 PM
What this says in short form.... So much for "higher" education! I thought it was a learning process for developing young minds, NOT a "do as I say" gov't run institution! this is true, education is declining amongst other issues, my son had this same situation in reverse, questioning something a teacher had said NEGATIVE about OBama,,,,

Sojourning_Soul Joined Fri 02/13/09 Posts: 10767	Mon 05/21/12 08:39 PM Edited by Sojourning_Soul on Mon 05/21/12 08:39 PM
A friend writes: "The wail of this is deafening as it points to a paradigm of incredible importance, coalescing into unmistakeable reality...that of the Pavlovian conditioning, so successfully employed in my day (55), now failing...at younger and younger ages...dare we call it an awakening?"

msharmony Joined Mon 08/31/09 Posts: 61041	Mon 05/21/12 09:15 PM
A friend writes: "The wail of this is deafening as it points to a paradigm of incredible importance, coalescing into unmistakeable reality...that of the Pavlovian conditioning, so successfully employed in my day (55), now failing...at younger and younger ages...dare we call it an awakening?" I think its not as easy to find the balance between the extremes of COMPLETE Freedom (chaos) and 'conditioning' I think there is a time and place for everything, and that learning certain 'conditions' in certain places isnt such a bad thing,,, as long as it doesnt hinder the ability to use logic and adapt in other places

Sojourning_Soul Joined Fri 02/13/09 Posts: 10767	Mon 05/21/12 10:03 PM
When "education" becomes programing, innovation is lost. It is individuality and free thinking that instills creative process! If we all acted like lobotomized automatons, took our programing without question, the world wouldn't be such a nice place to exist. If a seed doesn't germinate there is no flower, if a flower doesn't grow there is no beauty, without beauty there is no wonder, without wonder there is no reason, without reason there is no cause, etc, etc, etc... Gov't and personal opinion should be left out of the "instructors" agenda. The student is being "taught" the tools to enter a competitive world and create their lifetime thru goals those tools inspire and make possible to them. To "program" and remove or otherwise negate that creative, individualist thinking, should be a crime..... but the unions control, the teachers go unpunished, and the gov't directs the curriculum.... the child, our future, suffers!

Bravalady Joined Sun 01/01/12 Posts: 1034	Mon 05/21/12 10:35 PM
Insubordination? I thought that was in the army or a big corporation, not school. Which is supposed to train people to think. However, any teacher who can be drawn into a 10-minute argument with a student isn't doing much of a job anyway.

Bravalady Joined Sun 01/01/12 Posts: 1034	Mon 05/21/12 10:42 PM
there is a thin line between 'having an opinion' and being disruptive or insubordinate I think it's quite a broad line myself. A person without an opinion is nothing but a droid. It's how you express your opinion that counts. Contrary to popular belief, it's quite possible to have a civil disagreement where people actually listen to the opposing point of view with respect. Students won't do this, though, unless it's modeled (taught to them) by the teacher. True education is a two-way street, not stuffing predetermined biases into unresisting minds.

msharmony Joined Mon 08/31/09 Posts: 61041	Mon 05/21/12 10:58 PM
Insubordination? I thought that was in the army or a big corporation, not school. Which is supposed to train people to think. However, any teacher who can be drawn into a 10-minute argument with a student isn't doing much of a job anyway. I agree. Her teaching technique is lacking, but everything in our lives seems to be becoming more 'casual' these days,, including teaching techniques,,,

msharmony Joined Mon 08/31/09 Posts: 61041	Mon 05/21/12 11:01 PM
there is a thin line between 'having an opinion' and being disruptive or insubordinate I think it's quite a broad line myself. A person without an opinion is nothing but a droid. It's how you express your opinion that counts. Contrary to popular belief, it's quite possible to have a civil disagreement where people actually listen to the opposing point of view with respect. Students won't do this, though, unless it's modeled (taught to them) by the teacher. True education is a two-way street, not stuffing predetermined biases into unresisting minds. I would agree if teachers had a more one on one arrangement with their students. I Think it becomes more implausible when one persno is dealing with thirty to fourty individuals at a time, to encourage 'civil disagreement' in such a casual manner. It may be productive if it has conditions. Such as a set period for questions and what types of questions will be covered,,,etc,,, but just telling fourty people that are all trying to LEARN something that at any time one or two or all fourty may begin to engage in a 'discusion' of what is being taught would be unfair to those who are there to learn and have to learn a curriculum that is set in a certain time frame.

Conrad_73 Joined Sat 09/29/07 Posts: 22488	Tue 05/22/12 03:40 AM
Teacher is suspended WITH Pay! Hooddah Thunkit!

Sojourning_Soul Joined Fri 02/13/09 Posts: 10767	Tue 05/22/12 05:19 AM
there is a thin line between 'having an opinion' and being disruptive or insubordinate I think it's quite a broad line myself. A person without an opinion is nothing but a droid. It's how you express your opinion that counts. Contrary to popular belief, it's quite possible to have a civil disagreement where people actually listen to the opposing point of view with respect. Students won't do this, though, unless it's modeled (taught to them) by the teacher. True education is a two-way street, not stuffing predetermined biases into unresisting minds. I would agree if teachers had a more one on one arrangement with their students. I Think it becomes more implausible when one persno is dealing with thirty to fourty individuals at a time, to encourage 'civil disagreement' in such a casual manner. It may be productive if it has conditions. Such as a set period for questions and what types of questions will be covered,,,etc,,, but just telling fourty people that are all trying to LEARN something that at any time one or two or all fourty may begin to engage in a 'discusion' of what is being taught would be unfair to those who are there to learn and have to learn a curriculum that is set in a certain time frame. And here I thought that debating issues, forming an opinion, and learning to act on those decisions, was education.....silly me!

Sojourning_Soul Joined Fri 02/13/09 Posts: 10767	Tue 05/22/12 05:20 AM
Insubordination? I thought that was in the army or a big corporation, not school. Which is supposed to train people to think. However, any teacher who can be drawn into a 10-minute argument with a student isn't doing much of a job anyway. I agree. Her teaching technique is lacking, but everything in our lives seems to be becoming more 'casual' these days,, including teaching techniques,,, That simply sounds like a defeatist attitude! "It won't change, so accept it." BS!

RKISIT Joined Tue 01/08/08 Posts: 16721	Tue 05/22/12 05:43 AM Edited by RKISIT on Tue 05/22/12 05:43 AM
Actually i like it when things like this happens cause it shows that some teens have some knowledge of politics and politicians.Theres a time and place for it according to society but atleast the teen didn't pull out an AK47 and put a cap in the teachers a$$.Who knows that teen could end up seeing politics for what it is and change American politics or just do what most politicians do and think "get rich quick,get into politics"