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If you doubt then please list the 12 apostles of the lamb (Jesus). You should soon come to realize that Paul isn't on the list, yet he calls himself an apostle of Jesus. And yes there are only 12 - read revelation. Read revelation 2:2 as well, and it isn't a big stretch to think God would give a sample of a false apostle in the bible. |
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The 11 Apostles picked Mattias to replace Judas, Jesus picked Paul. After Mattias was picked, we don't hear anymore about him. Paul wrote a significant chunk of the NT. Paul also worked closely with growing the church in Ephesus, which in Revelations 2:2 was praised for having "tried them which say they are apostles, and are not". How you came to believe that they tried Paul and found him to be a liar boggles the imagination. If they considered Paul a liar, why did they keep his letter to the church and have copies made to give to other churches?
In Galatians 2:9, Paul relates his meeting with three of the Apostles "And when James, Cephas, and John, who seemed to be pillars, perceived the grace that was given unto me, they gave to me and Barnabas the right hands of fellowship; that we should go unto the heathen, and they unto the circumcision." He was accepted as one of them by three of the apostles, it's revisionist history and quite frankly the height of arrogance to question their judgement. |
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The 11 Apostles picked Mattias to replace Judas, Jesus picked Paul. After Mattias was picked, we don't hear anymore about him. Paul wrote a significant chunk of the NT. Paul also worked closely with growing the church in Ephesus, which in Revelations 2:2 was praised for having "tried them which say they are apostles, and are not". How you came to believe that they tried Paul and found him to be a liar boggles the imagination. If they considered Paul a liar, why did they keep his letter to the church and have copies made to give to other churches? In Galatians 2:9, Paul relates his meeting with three of the Apostles "And when James, Cephas, and John, who seemed to be pillars, perceived the grace that was given unto me, they gave to me and Barnabas the right hands of fellowship; that we should go unto the heathen, and they unto the circumcision." He was accepted as one of them by three of the apostles, it's revisionist history and quite frankly the height of arrogance to question their judgement. Well gosh darn. I guess those who question the "norm" will just have to visit that mythological realm of Hades for an age... |
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Edited by
Derekkye
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Tue 05/22/12 05:41 PM
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Jesus picked Paul according to Paul witnessing about himself. John the baptist and others witnessed, and thus wrote about the works of Jesus. What does the Word say about those who bear witness of themself? Yeah - their testimony is not true. I I I Paul says. That should suffice even the most novice of bible scholars, but stiff necks are very much prevalent today.
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Paul's a great example for all of us with hateful or hurtful pasts.
There is a new viewpoint available. |
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Jesus picked Paul according to Paul witnessing about himself. John the baptist and others witnessed, and thus wrote about the works of Jesus. What does the Word say about those who bear witness of themself? Yeah - their testimony is not true. I I I Paul says. That should suffice even the most novice of bible scholars, but stiff necks are very much prevalent today. Paul has been accepted as an Apostle for going on 2000 years. You have to show why accepted theology and biblical scholarship for the past 2000 years is wrong. You haven't done that. |
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Edited by
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Tue 05/22/12 05:46 PM
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The 11 Apostles picked Mattias to replace Judas, Jesus picked Paul. After Mattias was picked, we don't hear anymore about him. Paul wrote a significant chunk of the NT. Paul also worked closely with growing the church in Ephesus, which in Revelations 2:2 was praised for having "tried them which say they are apostles, and are not". How you came to believe that they tried Paul and found him to be a liar boggles the imagination. If they considered Paul a liar, why did they keep his letter to the church and have copies made to give to other churches? In Galatians 2:9, Paul relates his meeting with three of the Apostles "And when James, Cephas, and John, who seemed to be pillars, perceived the grace that was given unto me, they gave to me and Barnabas the right hands of fellowship; that we should go unto the heathen, and they unto the circumcision." He was accepted as one of them by three of the apostles, it's revisionist history and quite frankly the height of arrogance to question their judgement. Well gosh darn. I guess those who question the "norm" will just have to visit that mythological realm of Hades for an age... Whatever that means. |
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Paul has been accepted as an Apostle for going on 2000 years. You have to show why accepted theology and biblical scholarship for the past 2000 years is wrong. You haven't done that. A little off topic...but theology and biblical scholarship as it relates to "religion" is about the law. Often, that has little to do with faith and the heart. |
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Edited by
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Tue 05/22/12 05:54 PM
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Paul's a great example for all of us with hateful or hurtful pasts. There is a new viewpoint available. No doubt God is forgiving, and gracious. The reason why I think so many people like Paul is because he leads readers to believe God's commandments don't need to be kept, and a lot of people seem to like that. |
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Paul's a great example for all of us with hateful or hurtful pasts. There is a new viewpoint available. No doubt God is forgiving, and gracious. The reason why I think so many people like Paul is because he leads readers to believe God's commandment don't need to be kept, and a lot of people seem to like that. I disagree...but that's okay. Part of the process of finding faith based in heart. |
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Jesus picked Paul according to Paul witnessing about himself. John the baptist and others witnessed, and thus wrote about the works of Jesus. What does the Word say about those who bear witness of themself? Yeah - their testimony is not true. I I I Paul says. That should suffice even the most novice of bible scholars, but stiff necks are very much prevalent today. Paul has been accepted as an Apostle for going on 2000 years. You have to show why accepted theology and biblical scholarship for the past 2000 years is wrong. You haven't done that. Obviously not by all. If you are truly interested in knowing one way or the other just study for yourself and ignore what anyone else has to say on the matter. If done with a pure heart God will show you me believes. |
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Paul has been accepted as an Apostle for going on 2000 years. You have to show why accepted theology and biblical scholarship for the past 2000 years is wrong. You haven't done that. A little off topic...but theology and biblical scholarship as it relates to "religion" is about the law. Often, that has little to do with faith and the heart. Not true at all. Both terms describe attempts to understand the scriptures. If someone's view on the Bible revolves around the law, then that will be the results of their studies. If someone is simply trying to understand the Bible better, then their results will be different. Example: Christology (a form of Biblical Scholarship) is the study of the Old Testament to find examples of appearances of the pre-incarnate Christ. This study has nothing to do with the law, it is simply an attempt to better understand Jesus' place in the Old Testament. |
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Paul's a great example for all of us with hateful or hurtful pasts. There is a new viewpoint available. No doubt God is forgiving, and gracious. The reason why I think so many people like Paul is because he leads readers to believe God's commandment don't need to be kept, and a lot of people seem to like that. I disagree...but that's okay. Part of the process of finding faith based in heart. Faith is wonderful. In 2001 I came to know God is real. Prior to that I'd say my belief in God was waning as I studied secular science at university. I wish I would have considered God more in my youth. I would have saved myself a lot of trouble. Don't lose the faith. |
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A little off topic...but theology and biblical scholarship as it relates to "religion" is about the law. Often, that has little to do with faith and the heart. Not true at all. Both terms describe attempts to understand the scriptures. If someone's view on the Bible revolves around the law, then that will be the results of their studies. If someone is simply trying to understand the Bible better, then their results will be different. Example: Christology (a form of Biblical Scholarship) is the study of the Old Testament to find examples of appearances of the pre-incarnate Christ. This study has nothing to do with the law, it is simply an attempt to better understand Jesus' place in the Old Testament. Respectfully...I disagree. Probably an exercise in semantics but still... |
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paraphrased, God simply says "Listen to Me" and life will be sweet! Who will listen today? |
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paraphrased, God simply says "Listen to Me" and life will be sweet! Who will listen today? The problem is who is relaying God's voice? Ezekiel 22:28 King James Version (KJV) 28 And her prophets have daubed them with untempered morter, seeing vanity, and divining lies unto them, saying, Thus saith the Lord God, when the Lord hath not spoken. |
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paraphrased, God simply says "Listen to Me" and life will be sweet! Who will listen today? The problem is who is relaying God's voice? Ezekiel 22:28 King James Version (KJV) 28 And her prophets have daubed them with untempered morter, seeing vanity, and divining lies unto them, saying, Thus saith the Lord God, when the Lord hath not spoken. If someone said to me: "Thus saith the Lord" I would give the benefit of the doubt to that person and listen to what he/she had to say unless I had reason to believe he/she was a false prophet |
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paraphrased, God simply says "Listen to Me" and life will be sweet! Who will listen today? The problem is who is relaying God's voice? Ezekiel 22:28 King James Version (KJV) 28 And her prophets have daubed them with untempered morter, seeing vanity, and divining lies unto them, saying, Thus saith the Lord God, when the Lord hath not spoken. If someone said to me: "Thus saith the Lord" I would give the benefit of the doubt to that person and listen to what he/she had to say unless I had reason to believe he/she was a false prophet The point is that verse is from the Bible. Does that make you skeptical of the Bible? What if I could show you how Moses lied regarding at least 2 laws? |
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paraphrased, God simply says "Listen to Me" and life will be sweet! Who will listen today? The problem is who is relaying God's voice? Ezekiel 22:28 King James Version (KJV) 28 And her prophets have daubed them with untempered morter, seeing vanity, and divining lies unto them, saying, Thus saith the Lord God, when the Lord hath not spoken. If someone said to me: "Thus saith the Lord" I would give the benefit of the doubt to that person and listen to what he/she had to say unless I had reason to believe he/she was a false prophet The point is that verse is from the Bible. Does that make you skeptical of the Bible? What if I could show you how Moses lied regarding at least 2 laws? you're talking about false prophets I know....and I do say there is at least one in the bible, but I'm leaning on more...what laws did Moses lie about? |
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