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Edited by
HotRodDeluxe
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Just because you are compelled to vote  Yes we are. Your puerile response aside, do you have the slightest notion why that is so? It is to prevent lobby groups having undue influence at elections owing to an apathetic populace. Sound familiar? When our constitution was drafted (1901), elements of the US, French and UK constitutions were employed to create the hybrid that we live under. Perceived flaws in both were omitted in favour of remedies-compulsory voting being one of the aforementioned. This prevented undue power being placed in the hands of the highly influential wealthy class (the Pastoralists) as it was then, as well as religious groups etc. The aim was an egalitarian and secular state, and we have largely achieved said aims. It's not perfect, but it's better than most. Why don't you start a new Thread on that and educate the Americans on here as to how to elect Ron Paul for instance..... I think they can manage it themselves, don't you? 'It's Not the People Who Vote that Count; It's the People Who Count the Votes' It's the modern way man  Again, see above. |
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Number of hungry people in the world 925 million hungry people in 2010  Capitalism/Corporatism/Fascism/ Makes no difference what you call it. Makes no difference to millions. We are in The 21st Century Does the world produce enough food to feed everyone? The world produces enough food to feed everyone. World agriculture produces 17 percent more calories per person today than it did 30 years ago, despite a 70 percent population increase. This is enough to provide everyone in the world with at least 2,720 kilocalories (kcal) per person per day according to the most recent estimate that we could find. The principal problem is that many people in the world do not have sufficient land to grow, or income to purchase, enough food. Thanks for making the Case for Laissez Faire!  Most of those poor countries don't have capitalism ? All have some sort of Fascism/Statism! Not even the US does! |
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Edited by
InvictusV
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Sun 06/03/12 08:31 AM
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I believe the question that needs to be asked is:
Are democracy and a fat, lazy, apathetic, Jersey Shore watching, can't name all 50 states or the Vice President electorate compatible? I say... NO |
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I have no clue.
If, I was younger and more motivated, I suppose I'd have to invest in either war materials or in the justice (prison) system. They seem to create more jobs and generate the most money. |
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I have no clue. If, I was younger and more motivated, I suppose I'd have to invest in either war materials or in the justice (prison) system. They seem to create more jobs and generate the most money. Sad but true.
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It's easy to sit on you bum and moan on internet fora. Your voter turnout figures are poor, so get out and vote! If you're unsatisfied-do something! Write to your representatives and express your concerns. Unlike East Germany, you can vote, so do it! Form parties or nominate independant candidates. You have the gift of democracy and change comes from you, no-one else. Become politically active instead of wasting time bitching on a dating site. Make your minority concerns those of the majority. If your vote really changed anything they would take it away.All you do by voting is to give your consent to be governed.  If that's your attitude, you deserve what you get. Deserve has nothing to do with it. What does then? You, moaning and bitching on a dating site without actually doing even the most simple of tasks to change things? Here is not the place to voice your opinion if you're dissatisfied. Tell it to those who represent your electorate, encourage others to do it, and do it repeatedly. If you don't and one day you do wake up in a fascist state (which I doubt), as you lot continue to exaggerate upon, whose fault is it? Really? Apathy is a tool for creating hegemony by those so inclined. |
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Yes this is a dating site but this is an area on the site where politics and current affairs topics can be discussed, hence it's not moaning and bitching' it's discussion... Perspective? In relation to the deserve has nothing to do with it bit, well it could be argued that if you do vote then you cannot really complain about how your government works because you have givern your consent to be governed by it. And by that logic, if you make no effort to vote, and you get a government that causes you to complain, you deserve what you get.
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So, does the misuse of a term change its meaning? Eventually it does, yes. (God did not create language, people did. ) As meanings and use of words change over time, dictionaries are rewritten to reflect that. Persiflage. Clearly, you missed my point. Must I be obvious? |
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Hotrod Persiflage...... Clearly, you missed my point. Must I be obvious?
Bushi ...... With her . . . YES, but that is no guarantee she will get it. Very flipant remarks Youz are getting your Panties in a bunch again boys 
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Yes this is a dating site but this is an area on the site where politics and current affairs topics can be discussed, hence it's not moaning and bitching' it's discussion... Perspective? In relation to the deserve has nothing to do with it bit, well it could be argued that if you do vote then you cannot really complain about how your government works because you have givern your consent to be governed by it. And by that logic, if you make no effort to vote, and you get a government that causes you to complain, you deserve what you get.
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You may not "deserve" what you get, but you probably had a hand in creating it.
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RESPONSIBILITY is key
we are RESPONSIBLE for the choices we make we SHARE responsibility (on some level) for the outcome of the choice |
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RESPONSIBILITY is key we are RESPONSIBLE for the choices we make we SHARE responsibility (on some level) for the outcome of the choice That is the problem with a "democracy" and why the founders gave us a REPUBLIC....as long as we can keep it. That is why Obozo and the dems, Robme and the GOP, are trying to keep RP out of the picture! |
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RESPONSIBILITY is key we are RESPONSIBLE for the choices we make we SHARE responsibility (on some level) for the outcome of the choice That is the problem with a "democracy" and why the founders gave us a REPUBLIC....as long as we can keep it. That is why Obozo and the dems, Robme and the GOP, are trying to keep RP out of the picture! democracy 1 a: government by the people; especially: rule of the majority b: a government in which the supreme power is vested in the people and exercised by them directly or indirectly through a system of representation usually involving periodically held free elections republic b (1): a government in which supreme power resides in a body of citizens entitled to vote and is exercised by elected officers and representatives responsible to them and governing according to law (2): a political unit (as a nation) having such a form of government I dont see a major difference there or the relevance to the post about responsibility,,,,, |
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RESPONSIBILITY is key we are RESPONSIBLE for the choices we make we SHARE responsibility (on some level) for the outcome of the choice That is the problem with a "democracy" and why the founders gave us a REPUBLIC....as long as we can keep it. That is why Obozo and the dems, Robme and the GOP, are trying to keep RP out of the picture! democracy 1 a: government by the people; especially: rule of the majority b: a government in which the supreme power is vested in the people and exercised by them directly or indirectly through a system of representation usually involving periodically held free elections republic b (1): a government in which supreme power resides in a body of citizens entitled to vote and is exercised by elected officers and representatives responsible to them and governing according to law (2): a political unit (as a nation) having such a form of government I dont see a major difference there or the relevance to the post about responsibility,,,,, In a democracy, majority (or money) rules! Republic, even the smallest person has a say! |
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Edited by
msharmony
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Mon 06/04/12 10:27 AM
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RESPONSIBILITY is key we are RESPONSIBLE for the choices we make we SHARE responsibility (on some level) for the outcome of the choice That is the problem with a "democracy" and why the founders gave us a REPUBLIC....as long as we can keep it. That is why Obozo and the dems, Robme and the GOP, are trying to keep RP out of the picture! democracy 1 a: government by the people; especially: rule of the majority b: a government in which the supreme power is vested in the people and exercised by them directly or indirectly through a system of representation usually involving periodically held free elections republic b (1): a government in which supreme power resides in a body of citizens entitled to vote and is exercised by elected officers and representatives responsible to them and governing according to law (2): a political unit (as a nation) having such a form of government I dont see a major difference there or the relevance to the post about responsibility,,,,, In a democracy, majority (or money) rules! Republic, even the smallest person has a say! how do you come by that interpretation? under what circumstances, political or otherwise, in a capitalist society is money not going to be some significant part of the bottom line? |
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Edited by
Sojourning_Soul
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Mon 06/04/12 11:19 AM
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RESPONSIBILITY is key we are RESPONSIBLE for the choices we make we SHARE responsibility (on some level) for the outcome of the choice That is the problem with a "democracy" and why the founders gave us a REPUBLIC....as long as we can keep it. That is why Obozo and the dems, Robme and the GOP, are trying to keep RP out of the picture! democracy 1 a: government by the people; especially: rule of the majority b: a government in which the supreme power is vested in the people and exercised by them directly or indirectly through a system of representation usually involving periodically held free elections republic b (1): a government in which supreme power resides in a body of citizens entitled to vote and is exercised by elected officers and representatives responsible to them and governing according to law (2): a political unit (as a nation) having such a form of government I dont see a major difference there or the relevance to the post about responsibility,,,,, In a democracy, majority (or money) rules! Republic, even the smallest person has a say! how do you come by that interpretation? under what circumstances, political or otherwise, in a capitalist society is money not going to be some significant part of the bottom line? That's where the Constitution, Declaration of Independence and Bill of Rights come in....and courts... When ALL are followed, EVERYONE has a say, regardless of power or money! That's why we have an appeals system! In a democracy, such things would not exist as the majority would be the final rule! http://www.1215.org/lawnotes/lawnotes/repvsdem.htm |
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Edited by
msharmony
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Mon 06/04/12 11:28 AM
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RESPONSIBILITY is key we are RESPONSIBLE for the choices we make we SHARE responsibility (on some level) for the outcome of the choice That is the problem with a "democracy" and why the founders gave us a REPUBLIC....as long as we can keep it. That is why Obozo and the dems, Robme and the GOP, are trying to keep RP out of the picture! democracy 1 a: government by the people; especially: rule of the majority b: a government in which the supreme power is vested in the people and exercised by them directly or indirectly through a system of representation usually involving periodically held free elections republic b (1): a government in which supreme power resides in a body of citizens entitled to vote and is exercised by elected officers and representatives responsible to them and governing according to law (2): a political unit (as a nation) having such a form of government I dont see a major difference there or the relevance to the post about responsibility,,,,, In a democracy, majority (or money) rules! Republic, even the smallest person has a say! how do you come by that interpretation? under what circumstances, political or otherwise, in a capitalist society is money not going to be some significant part of the bottom line? That's where the Constitution, Declaration of Independence and Bill of Rights come in....and courts... When ALL are followed, EVERYONE has a say, regardless of power or money! That's why we have an appeals system! In a democracy, such things would not exist as the majority would be the final rule! http://www.1215.org/lawnotes/lawnotes/repvsdem.htm fallacy as well the courts are one place especially where money will talk lawyers invest years in education and their time cost money the better lawyers cost more money better lawyers get better results so that still makes MONEY pretty significant in the grand scheme of things,,,, the d of I is so VAGUELY worded as to be but putty for the elite to play with and the constitution itself, as I have stated before, was written in times when 'all men' were not equal ,,,,, these three documents are not INFALLIBLE and not a magic cure for all that ails american humans,,,, |
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RESPONSIBILITY is key we are RESPONSIBLE for the choices we make we SHARE responsibility (on some level) for the outcome of the choice That is the problem with a "democracy" and why the founders gave us a REPUBLIC....as long as we can keep it. That is why Obozo and the dems, Robme and the GOP, are trying to keep RP out of the picture! democracy 1 a: government by the people; especially: rule of the majority b: a government in which the supreme power is vested in the people and exercised by them directly or indirectly through a system of representation usually involving periodically held free elections republic b (1): a government in which supreme power resides in a body of citizens entitled to vote and is exercised by elected officers and representatives responsible to them and governing according to law (2): a political unit (as a nation) having such a form of government I dont see a major difference there or the relevance to the post about responsibility,,,,, In a democracy, majority (or money) rules! Republic, even the smallest person has a say! how do you come by that interpretation? under what circumstances, political or otherwise, in a capitalist society is money not going to be some significant part of the bottom line? That's where the Constitution, Declaration of Independence and Bill of Rights come in....and courts... When ALL are followed, EVERYONE has a say, regardless of power or money! That's why we have an appeals system! In a democracy, such things would not exist as the majority would be the final rule! http://www.1215.org/lawnotes/lawnotes/repvsdem.htm fallacy as well the courts are one place especially where money will talk lawyers invest years in education and their time cost money the better lawyers cost more money better lawyers get better results so that still makes MONEY pretty significant in the grand scheme of things,,,, the d of I is so VAGUELY worded as to be but putty for the elite to play with and the constitution itself, as I have stated before, was written in times when 'all men' were not equal ,,,,, these three documents are not INFALLIBLE and not a magic cure for all that ails american humans,,,, uhmmmmmmm.... I think that's called corruption that you are condoning...... |
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RESPONSIBILITY is key we are RESPONSIBLE for the choices we make we SHARE responsibility (on some level) for the outcome of the choice That is the problem with a "democracy" and why the founders gave us a REPUBLIC....as long as we can keep it. That is why Obozo and the dems, Robme and the GOP, are trying to keep RP out of the picture! democracy 1 a: government by the people; especially: rule of the majority b: a government in which the supreme power is vested in the people and exercised by them directly or indirectly through a system of representation usually involving periodically held free elections republic b (1): a government in which supreme power resides in a body of citizens entitled to vote and is exercised by elected officers and representatives responsible to them and governing according to law (2): a political unit (as a nation) having such a form of government I dont see a major difference there or the relevance to the post about responsibility,,,,, In a democracy, majority (or money) rules! Republic, even the smallest person has a say! how do you come by that interpretation? under what circumstances, political or otherwise, in a capitalist society is money not going to be some significant part of the bottom line? That's where the Constitution, Declaration of Independence and Bill of Rights come in....and courts... When ALL are followed, EVERYONE has a say, regardless of power or money! That's why we have an appeals system! In a democracy, such things would not exist as the majority would be the final rule! http://www.1215.org/lawnotes/lawnotes/repvsdem.htm fallacy as well the courts are one place especially where money will talk lawyers invest years in education and their time cost money the better lawyers cost more money better lawyers get better results so that still makes MONEY pretty significant in the grand scheme of things,,,, the d of I is so VAGUELY worded as to be but putty for the elite to play with and the constitution itself, as I have stated before, was written in times when 'all men' were not equal ,,,,, these three documents are not INFALLIBLE and not a magic cure for all that ails american humans,,,, uhmmmmmmm.... I think that's called corruption that you are condoning...... I am not condoning nor condeming anything Im pointing out the fallacy that the courts and the declaration and constitution would give us ALL any more say than what we already have and that MONEY(or its significance( would be out of the equation if we had some strict adherence to these three things |
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