Topic: QUESTION
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Tue 05/29/12 04:56 PM

Look all I'M saying is that denocracy is a political system that is supposed to, in theory, benefit the majority but that the economic system of capitalism seems to benefit a minority. Therefore, how can a democracy be democratic, when the minority who control the economic wealth also get all the benefits of that society ?


I don't see how it benefits "a minority" and I don't know what "minority" you are talking about.

So excuse me, I just don't know what you are talking about.

If you don't want to "explain" then I will just forget it.


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Tue 05/29/12 05:05 PM


Look all I'M saying is that denocracy is a political system that is supposed to, in theory, benefit the majority but that the economic system of capitalism seems to benefit a minority. Therefore, how can a democracy be democratic, when the minority who control the economic wealth also get all the benefits of that society ?


I don't see how it benefits "a minority" and I don't know what "minority" you are talking about.

So excuse me, I just don't know what you are talking about.

If you don't want to "explain" then I will just forget it.


the minority are the very, very rich who control things like politics, the media etc, the majority are the rest of us the 99 per cent... Do you see the world outside of the U.S.A ?

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Tue 05/29/12 05:07 PM
Edited by Jeanniebean on Tue 05/29/12 05:08 PM



Look all I'M saying is that denocracy is a political system that is supposed to, in theory, benefit the majority but that the economic system of capitalism seems to benefit a minority. Therefore, how can a democracy be democratic, when the minority who control the economic wealth also get all the benefits of that society ?


I don't see how it benefits "a minority" and I don't know what "minority" you are talking about.

So excuse me, I just don't know what you are talking about.

If you don't want to "explain" then I will just forget it.


the minority are the very, very rich who control things like politics, the media etc, the majority are the rest of us the 99 per cent... Do you see the world outside of the U.S.A ?


OKAY! Now you are talking sense.

(Here, "minority" means race.)

I have never referred to the filthy rich as "minority." (Even though they are..)

I call them the "elite."

Or the "filthy rich" or the "fat cats" etc.

laugh laugh laugh

They are the globalists. (The Rothschilds etc.)




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Tue 05/29/12 05:14 PM
capitalism: an economic system characterized by private or corporate ownership of capital goods, by investments that are determined by private decision, and by prices, production, and the distribution of goods that are determined mainly by competition in a free market


socialism:
any of various economic and political theories advocating collective or governmental ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods


neither by themself are 'bad' because all they imply is the ownership of something

but both CAN Be badly applied by people when they become greedy , especially if those people are the ones who are the owners in that particular economic system,,,,,

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Tue 05/29/12 05:15 PM
Edited by ARTDOG13 on Tue 05/29/12 05:17 PM
:smile: sorry if it took me a while to get my point across but to me the minority is'nt about race its about numbers. As far as I'm concerned there's only one race and it's called the human one and it;s made of all colours... xwaving to jeaniebean

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Tue 05/29/12 05:59 PM

:smile: sorry if it took me a while to get my point across but to me the minority is'nt about race its about numbers. As far as I'm concerned there's only one race and it's called the human one and it;s made of all colours... xwaving to jeaniebean



I have discovered that sometimes people from other countries, even though we speak the same 'English' do have terms that mean different things.

I agree that capitalism benefits the elite filthy rich families or clans. These people use the spread of "democracy" as their excuse to interfere with third world countries and create a platform for them to infiltrate the country and use their power and influence and money to bribe, threaten and otherwise take control of the political system while playing both sides of the fence... good and evil.... always for their own gain.


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Tue 05/29/12 06:33 PM


Capitalism is a leech that feeds off democracy:smile:



True. Parasites. If you could keep democracy pure it would be fine.

Pay people a living wage so that everyone wins.



You can keep anything pure if doesn't involve people......

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Tue 05/29/12 11:30 PM

Look all I'M saying is that denocracy is a political system that is supposed to, in theory, benefit the majority but that the economic system of capitalism seems to benefit a minority. Therefore, how can a democracy be democratic, when the minority who control the economic wealth also get all the benefits of that society ?


Because we happen to have the best politicians money can buy. Power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely. We have career politicians that have totally lost touch with what we the people want. The sad part is that we the people have been sitting around on our apathetic ***** for the last 75 years and have ALLOWED it. They didn't do it to us WE did. WE need to take our country back. We need to get galacticaly pissed off and call ******** on 99% of our elected officials, demand answers. Everyone here has internet, when was the last time you dropped your favorite congressman a little line to let him know how you feel with the same attitude we use with each other on these forums. It's our country, screw em. Just pick a topic with these ******** and have fun with it. They can't put all of us in jail............Or can they?

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Tue 05/29/12 11:30 PM
Edited by Troubled on Tue 05/29/12 11:32 PM

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Wed 05/30/12 03:34 AM




http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capitalism


It's not perfect, but can anyone nominate a better alternative to democracy?
I'm not asking for an altermative to democracy.:smile:


In wasn't necessarily resoponding to you.
I started the debate.:smile:


That doesn't alter my answer.

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Wed 05/30/12 03:43 AM
It's easy to sit on you bum and moan on internet fora. Your voter turnout figures are poor, so get out and vote! If you're unsatisfied-do something! Write to your representatives and express your concerns. Unlike East Germany, you can vote, so do it! Form parties or nominate independant candidates. You have the gift of democracy and change comes from you, no-one else. Become politically active instead of wasting time bitching on a dating site. Make your minority concerns those of the majority.

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Wed 05/30/12 03:45 AM

:smile: sorry if it took me a while to get my point across but to me the minority is'nt about race its about numbers.


Of course it is, the term applies to many subjects and situations, as it is the opposite of majority.

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Wed 05/30/12 03:47 AM
Edited by HotRodDeluxe on Wed 05/30/12 04:10 AM



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capitalism


It's not perfect, but can anyone nominate a better alternative to democracy?


George Bush says a dictatorship would be a lot easier.tongue2

Do you like George Bush?


I'm indifferent.

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Wed 05/30/12 03:59 AM



Because we happen to have the best politicians money can buy. Power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely. We have career politicians that have totally lost touch with what we the people want. The sad part is that we the people have been sitting around on our apathetic ***** for the last 75 years and have ALLOWED it. They didn't do it to us WE did. WE need to take our country back. We need to get galacticaly pissed off and call ******** on 99% of our elected officials, demand answers. Everyone here has internet, when was the last time you dropped your favorite congressman a little line to let him know how you feel with the same attitude we use with each other on these forums. It's our country, screw em. Just pick a topic with these ******** and have fun with it. They can't put all of us in jail............Or can they?


Yes we have the best politicians money can buy. [Political Whores]

Yes we are to blame [We got fooled again]

I now believe that Obama was introduced to Fool us again.

The system may be beyond repair...

Unless the disparity gap is brought to within acceptable levels the future is bleak.

It has always been down to the division of the pie.

Taking the country back....Money is Power and they may not be able to put us all in Jail but they sure as hell can put those who put their heads above the parapet.

If you make too much noise they will make your life a misery.

Many Good men and women's careers have been destroyed because they bucked the system.

The planet is awash with money but in the hands of a few.

Follow the money and you will get to the root of the worlds problems.

This was brought to you by ...Rothschild and Rockefellerdrinker


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Wed 05/30/12 04:18 AM
Capitalism has created the highest standard of living ever known on earth. The evidence is incontrovertible. The contrast between West and East Berlin is the latest demonstration, like a laboratory experiment for all to see. Yet those who are loudest in proclaiming their desire to eliminate poverty are loudest in denouncing capitalism. Man’s well-being is not their goal.

If the good, the virtuous, the morally ideal is suffering and self-sacrifice—then, by that standard, capitalism had to be damned as evil. Capitalism does not tell men to suffer, but to pursue enjoyment and achievement, here, on earth—capitalism does not tell men to serve and sacrifice, but to produce and profit—capitalism does not preach passivity, humility, resignation, but independence, self-confidence, self-reliance—and, above all, capitalism does not permit anyone to expect or demand, to give or to take the unearned. In all human relationships—private or public, spiritual or material, social or political or economic or moral—capitalism requires that men be guided by a principle which is the antithesis of altruism: the principle of justice.

It is often asked: Why was capitalism destroyed in spite of its incomparably beneficent record? The answer lies in the fact that the lifeline feeding any social system is a culture’s dominant philosophy and that capitalism never had a philosophical base. It was the last and (theoretically) incomplete product of an Aristotelian influence. As a resurgent tide of mysticism engulfed philosophy in the nineteenth century, capitalism was left in an intellectual vacuum, its lifeline cut. Neither its moral nature nor even its political principles had ever been fully understood or defined. Its alleged defenders regarded it as compatible with government controls (i.e., government interference into the economy), ignoring the meaning and implications of the concept of laissez-faire. Thus, what existed in practice, in the nineteenth century, was not pure capitalism, but variously mixed economies. Since controls necessitate and breed further controls, it was the statist element of the mixtures that wrecked them; it was the free, capitalist element that took the blame.

Capitalism could not survive in a culture dominated by mysticism and altruism, by the soul-body dichotomy and the tribal premise. No social system (and no human institution or activity of any kind) can survive without a moral base. On the basis of the altruist morality, capitalism had to be—and was—damned from the start.

http://aynrandlexicon.com/lexicon/capitalism.html

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Wed 05/30/12 04:24 AM
Funny how accurate all of you have described ,NOT Capitalism,but Corporatism!

:laughing:

This Guy saw it,and implemented it fully in the 1920's!

Fascism should rightly be called Corporatism, as it is the merger of corporate and government power." Benito Mussolini

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Wed 05/30/12 04:29 AM
Edited by Optomistic69 on Wed 05/30/12 04:49 AM
Number of hungry people in the world

925 million hungry people in 2010





Capitalism/Corporatism/Fascism/


Makes no difference what you call it.

Makes no difference to millions.

We are in The 21st Century

Does the world produce enough food to feed everyone?

The world produces enough food to feed everyone.
World agriculture produces 17 percent more calories per person today than it did 30 years ago,
despite a 70 percent population increase.
This is enough to provide everyone in the world with at least 2,720 kilocalories (kcal) per person per day according to the most recent estimate that we could find.
The principal problem is that many people in the world do not have sufficient land to grow, or income to purchase, enough food.

Conrad_73's photo
Wed 05/30/12 04:56 AM

Number of hungry people in the world

925 million hungry people in 2010





Capitalism/Corporatism/Fascism/


Makes no difference what you call it.

Makes no difference to millions.

We are in The 21st Century

Does the world produce enough food to feed everyone?

The world produces enough food to feed everyone.
World agriculture produces 17 percent more calories per person today than it did 30 years ago,
despite a 70 percent population increase.
This is enough to provide everyone in the world with at least 2,720 kilocalories (kcal) per person per day according to the most recent estimate that we could find.
The principal problem is that many people in the world do not have sufficient land to grow, or income to purchase, enough food.
and what has that to do with Capitalism!

Thanks for making the Case for Laissez Faire!:laughing:

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Wed 05/30/12 05:03 AM
Fascism? Really? laugh

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Wed 05/30/12 05:04 AM
The principal problem is that many people in the world do not have sufficient land to grow, or income to purchase, enough food.