Topic: 21 year old that gets it
willing2's photo
Wed 07/18/12 07:36 AM
Edited by willing2 on Wed 07/18/12 07:37 AM
IMO, that letter pretty well states what the majority of the 'dead-beat', load bearers are thinking. More and more of their wages go to many who simply refuse to take a job.

I doubt they mind helping those who are out there contributing. contributing doesn't mean sittin' on yer hams raisin' kids either. They can't behave while working, send 'em on to juvie.

Any job will raise a persons self esteem. Unless they were raised to be welfare dependents.

Chazster's photo
Wed 07/18/12 08:08 AM




Coming from a Soldier makes the letter even more better.


Yes, it does doesn't it...:smile:


Looking at the two opposite sides of the spectrum. I mean this man would put his life on the line for The USA. And the lovely third Generation Welfare Receivables, who never put any effort into a society that works and contributes for them to have shelter and food.



and the 'welfare' receivable would WORK too if they could find it

military are paid by taxes, should we restrict what they buy to eat or where they live as well?

after all , who is anybody to declare what someone is 'contributing'

are mothers raising healthy, productive children not contributing as much as a soldier who hangs out on a ship during peacetime keeping it clean and learning to shoot a gun or cook?


is the person working BESIDE another person in a job not deserving of the same FREEDOM with the money/resource they are earning because it doesnt come from the same source?

companies dont just HIRE anyone, but they sure as hell are willing to work them for 'free', saving them wages, benefits, taxes, etc,,,,

or should those who cant find employment or lost employment just not be able to work or RECEIVE any thing for their work, because it comes from the wrong payroll?





the class bigotry is astounding in this country,,,


Is a mother on welfare contributing because she is a mother? No. Honestly it costs more to support more people on welfare. The mother could more easily work and be self supporting if she didn't have kids. Kids on welfare and that have single parents are more likely to be on welfare themselves and more likely to be criminals. It's all in the statistics.

no photo
Wed 07/18/12 08:12 AM
Edited by Jeanniebean on Wed 07/18/12 08:13 AM

IMO, that letter pretty well states what the majority of the 'dead-beat', load bearers are thinking. More and more of their wages go to many who simply refuse to take a job.

I doubt they mind helping those who are out there contributing. contributing doesn't mean sittin' on yer hams raisin' kids either. They can't behave while working, send 'em on to juvie.

Any job will raise a persons self esteem. Unless they were raised to be welfare dependents.



So you, (because you're a man,) have the audacity to think (and even utter aloud) that a person could "sit on their hams" and raise kids?"

(I wonder if men who think like that have ever in their entire lives washed a dish or changed a diaper.)

And the so called "load bearers" you are referring to are bearing the load of the national debt incurred by our insane out of control corrupt political system of the Federal Reserve and the gangster Central banking Cabal (criminals) who are charging us interest on the fiat money they printed and loaned us which is completely backed by our own labor via our birth certificates.

If you pay any income tax, you can be sure it all goes to pay the interest on the National debt, not to your neighbors on welfare.

And news flash, the National debt is so huge now that it will NEVER EVER BE PAID OFF.

Why a community or society would not print their own money is insane. Instead, we borrow it from the Banksters and then pay interest on it. And guess what? We are the collateral!!

To America and Congress:

It is time to abolish the Federal Reserve! Print your own money. Arrest the Banksters and Outlaws who are robbing us blind!


Chazster's photo
Wed 07/18/12 08:15 AM


IMO, that letter pretty well states what the majority of the 'dead-beat', load bearers are thinking. More and more of their wages go to many who simply refuse to take a job.

I doubt they mind helping those who are out there contributing. contributing doesn't mean sittin' on yer hams raisin' kids either. They can't behave while working, send 'em on to juvie.

Any job will raise a persons self esteem. Unless they were raised to be welfare dependents.



So you, (because you're a man,) have the audacity to think (and even utter aloud) that a person could "sit on their hams" and raise kids?"

(I wonder if men who think like that have ever in their entire lives washed a dish or changed a diaper.)

And the so called "load bearers" you are referring to are bearing the load of the national debt incurred by our insane out of control corrupt political system of the Federal Reserve and the gangster Central banking Cabal (criminals) who are charging us interest on the fiat money they printed and loaned us which is completely backed by our own labor via our birth certificates.

If you pay any income tax, you can be sure it all goes to pay the interest on the National debt, not to your neighbors on welfare.

And news flash, the National debt is so huge now that it will NEVER EVER BE PAID OFF.

Why a community or society would not print their own money is insane. Instead, we borrow it from the Banksters and then pay interest on it. And guess what? We are the collateral!!

To America and Congress:

It is time to abolish the Federal Reserve! Print your own money. Arrest the Banksters and Outlaws who are robbing us blind!



You know lots of countries have more debt then us when looking at percent of gdp.

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Wed 07/18/12 08:17 AM



IMO, that letter pretty well states what the majority of the 'dead-beat', load bearers are thinking. More and more of their wages go to many who simply refuse to take a job.

I doubt they mind helping those who are out there contributing. contributing doesn't mean sittin' on yer hams raisin' kids either. They can't behave while working, send 'em on to juvie.

Any job will raise a persons self esteem. Unless they were raised to be welfare dependents.



So you, (because you're a man,) have the audacity to think (and even utter aloud) that a person could "sit on their hams" and raise kids?"

(I wonder if men who think like that have ever in their entire lives washed a dish or changed a diaper.)

And the so called "load bearers" you are referring to are bearing the load of the national debt incurred by our insane out of control corrupt political system of the Federal Reserve and the gangster Central banking Cabal (criminals) who are charging us interest on the fiat money they printed and loaned us which is completely backed by our own labor via our birth certificates.

If you pay any income tax, you can be sure it all goes to pay the interest on the National debt, not to your neighbors on welfare.

And news flash, the National debt is so huge now that it will NEVER EVER BE PAID OFF.

Why a community or society would not print their own money is insane. Instead, we borrow it from the Banksters and then pay interest on it. And guess what? We are the collateral!!

To America and Congress:

It is time to abolish the Federal Reserve! Print your own money. Arrest the Banksters and Outlaws who are robbing us blind!



You know lots of countries have more debt then us when looking at percent of gdp.



How is that even relevant?

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Wed 07/18/12 08:23 AM
Edited by Jeanniebean on Wed 07/18/12 08:25 AM
More debt, less debt is irrelevant when you consider the fact that it will never be paid off and we just keep going deeper and deeper into debt.

That's like if you were falling off of a cliff a thousand feet tall, saying that the guy next to you is falling off a cliff that is two thousand feet tall. So are we better off than him? no..

Its a moot point because both are going to hit rock bottom and die no matter how far you fall.

Chazster's photo
Wed 07/18/12 08:25 AM
Relevant in the fact that lost of countries are in our situation. In fact before Obama too office were were better off than most first world countries but we added about 33% more September or over 5 trillion since then.

andrewzooms's photo
Wed 07/18/12 08:26 AM


IMO, that letter pretty well states what the majority of the 'dead-beat', load bearers are thinking. More and more of their wages go to many who simply refuse to take a job.

I doubt they mind helping those who are out there contributing. contributing doesn't mean sittin' on yer hams raisin' kids either. They can't behave while working, send 'em on to juvie.

Any job will raise a persons self esteem. Unless they were raised to be welfare dependents.



So you, (because you're a man,) have the audacity to think (and even utter aloud) that a person could "sit on their hams" and raise kids?"

(I wonder if men who think like that have ever in their entire lives washed a dish or changed a diaper.)

And the so called "load bearers" you are referring to are bearing the load of the national debt incurred by our insane out of control corrupt political system of the Federal Reserve and the gangster Central banking Cabal (criminals) who are charging us interest on the fiat money they printed and loaned us which is completely backed by our own labor via our birth certificates.

If you pay any income tax, you can be sure it all goes to pay the interest on the National debt, not to your neighbors on welfare.

And news flash, the National debt is so huge now that it will NEVER EVER BE PAID OFF.

Why a community or society would not print their own money is insane. Instead, we borrow it from the Banksters and then pay interest on it. And guess what? We are the collateral!!

To America and Congress:

It is time to abolish the Federal Reserve! Print your own money. Arrest the Banksters and Outlaws who are robbing us blind!




The optimism you have is honorable. It is to late now. The Bankers own this nation. The corporations, bankers, and politicians are all united to screw us blind. We are on a sinking ship. These men are above the law.

no photo
Wed 07/18/12 08:27 AM

Relevant in the fact that lost of countries are in our situation. In fact before Obama too office were were better off than most first world countries but we added about 33% more September or over 5 trillion since then.


As I said, its a moot point.

Read the above.

So what if lots of other countries are in our situation or worse? We are all headed for the rocks if something doesn't change.

Abolish the Federal Reserve and print our own money. Let the banks fail.

We will survive.

willing2's photo
Wed 07/18/12 08:28 AM


IMO, that letter pretty well states what the majority of the 'dead-beat', load bearers are thinking. More and more of their wages go to many who simply refuse to take a job.

I doubt they mind helping those who are out there contributing. contributing doesn't mean sittin' on yer hams raisin' kids either. They can't behave while working, send 'em on to juvie.

Any job will raise a persons self esteem. Unless they were raised to be welfare dependents.



So you, (because you're a man,) have the audacity to think (and even utter aloud) that a person could "sit on their hams" and raise kids?"

(I wonder if men who think like that have ever in their entire lives washed a dish or changed a diaper.)


Generalize much.

Matter of fact. I did just that.

I had custody of two kids. That was back when day care wouldn't take kids in diapers. I sat on welfare for two years.

Unlike the women, I had to go in every month and reapply. The women in the projects only had to go in once every 6 months.

After my kids were out of diapers, I put them in day care and went to work. I did whatever job I needed to to get off the dole.

Also, my kids never wore pampers. I cleaned chit out and rinsed them by hand. I had to learn what types of detergent to use so they didn't get rashes. The whole nine yards.

Yes, I have every right to talk about leeches who choose to suck the life blood and not contribute.


Chazster's photo
Wed 07/18/12 08:30 AM


Relevant in the fact that lost of countries are in our situation. In fact before Obama too office were were better off than most first world countries but we added about 33% more September or over 5 trillion since then.


As I said, its a moot point.

Read the above.

So what if lots of other countries are in our situation or worse? We are all headed for the rocks if something doesn't change.

Abolish the Federal Reserve and print our own money. Let the banks fail.

We will survive.


Print more money ? That's a horrible idea. Let's just cause hyper inflation. That will help America.

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Wed 07/18/12 08:31 AM



IMO, that letter pretty well states what the majority of the 'dead-beat', load bearers are thinking. More and more of their wages go to many who simply refuse to take a job.

I doubt they mind helping those who are out there contributing. contributing doesn't mean sittin' on yer hams raisin' kids either. They can't behave while working, send 'em on to juvie.

Any job will raise a persons self esteem. Unless they were raised to be welfare dependents.



So you, (because you're a man,) have the audacity to think (and even utter aloud) that a person could "sit on their hams" and raise kids?"

(I wonder if men who think like that have ever in their entire lives washed a dish or changed a diaper.)

And the so called "load bearers" you are referring to are bearing the load of the national debt incurred by our insane out of control corrupt political system of the Federal Reserve and the gangster Central banking Cabal (criminals) who are charging us interest on the fiat money they printed and loaned us which is completely backed by our own labor via our birth certificates.

If you pay any income tax, you can be sure it all goes to pay the interest on the National debt, not to your neighbors on welfare.

And news flash, the National debt is so huge now that it will NEVER EVER BE PAID OFF.

Why a community or society would not print their own money is insane. Instead, we borrow it from the Banksters and then pay interest on it. And guess what? We are the collateral!!

To America and Congress:

It is time to abolish the Federal Reserve! Print your own money. Arrest the Banksters and Outlaws who are robbing us blind!




The optimism you have is honorable. It is to late now. The Bankers own this nation. The corporations, bankers, and politicians are all united to screw us blind. We are on a sinking ship. These men are above the law.


They are few. We are many.

Burn the Federal reserve notes. Start trading with gold, silver, and start printing our own notes. Trade, barter, create independent banks.

People should stop waiting for their corrupt politicians to save them or fix the problems. They are NOT GOING TO DO IT.

Each individual needs to take action on their own and start trading and bartering locally without federal reserve notes.

Screw the bankers.


no photo
Wed 07/18/12 08:32 AM



Relevant in the fact that lost of countries are in our situation. In fact before Obama too office were were better off than most first world countries but we added about 33% more September or over 5 trillion since then.


As I said, its a moot point.

Read the above.

So what if lots of other countries are in our situation or worse? We are all headed for the rocks if something doesn't change.

Abolish the Federal Reserve and print our own money. Let the banks fail.

We will survive.


Print more money ? That's a horrible idea. Let's just cause hyper inflation. That will help America.


You don't know anything about the financial system. I said we should print OUR OWN MONEY.

INSTEAD OF borrowing it from the Federal Reserve Bank and having to pay interest on it.

The Federal Reserve Bank is a private corporation and it is not part of our country or our Government.


no photo
Wed 07/18/12 08:35 AM
John Kennedy was assassinated because he ordered Congress to print silver certificates instead of borrowing Federal Reserve notes.

Two days after he was killed, they stopped printing real silver backed money and once again started borrowing from the Federal Reserve and paying interest on that money.

That is why we are in debt.

Abolish the Federal Reserve.

no photo
Wed 07/18/12 08:38 AM



IMO, that letter pretty well states what the majority of the 'dead-beat', load bearers are thinking. More and more of their wages go to many who simply refuse to take a job.

I doubt they mind helping those who are out there contributing. contributing doesn't mean sittin' on yer hams raisin' kids either. They can't behave while working, send 'em on to juvie.

Any job will raise a persons self esteem. Unless they were raised to be welfare dependents.



So you, (because you're a man,) have the audacity to think (and even utter aloud) that a person could "sit on their hams" and raise kids?"

(I wonder if men who think like that have ever in their entire lives washed a dish or changed a diaper.)


Generalize much.

Matter of fact. I did just that.

I had custody of two kids. That was back when day care wouldn't take kids in diapers. I sat on welfare for two years.

Unlike the women, I had to go in every month and reapply. The women in the projects only had to go in once every 6 months.

After my kids were out of diapers, I put them in day care and went to work. I did whatever job I needed to to get off the dole.

Also, my kids never wore pampers. I cleaned chit out and rinsed them by hand. I had to learn what types of detergent to use so they didn't get rashes. The whole nine yards.

Yes, I have every right to talk about leeches who choose to suck the life blood and not contribute.




If that is true, then I am surprised you would say something that implies that raising kids can be done by "sitting on your hams."

That attitude reflects a man who has no clue about the work involved in raising children, so I have my doubts.

willing2's photo
Wed 07/18/12 08:40 AM




IMO, that letter pretty well states what the majority of the 'dead-beat', load bearers are thinking. More and more of their wages go to many who simply refuse to take a job.

I doubt they mind helping those who are out there contributing. contributing doesn't mean sittin' on yer hams raisin' kids either. They can't behave while working, send 'em on to juvie.

Any job will raise a persons self esteem. Unless they were raised to be welfare dependents.



So you, (because you're a man,) have the audacity to think (and even utter aloud) that a person could "sit on their hams" and raise kids?"

(I wonder if men who think like that have ever in their entire lives washed a dish or changed a diaper.)


Generalize much.

Matter of fact. I did just that.

I had custody of two kids. That was back when day care wouldn't take kids in diapers. I sat on welfare for two years.

Unlike the women, I had to go in every month and reapply. The women in the projects only had to go in once every 6 months.

After my kids were out of diapers, I put them in day care and went to work. I did whatever job I needed to to get off the dole.

Also, my kids never wore pampers. I cleaned chit out and rinsed them by hand. I had to learn what types of detergent to use so they didn't get rashes. The whole nine yards.

Yes, I have every right to talk about leeches who choose to suck the life blood and not contribute.




If that is true, then I am surprised you would say something that implies that raising kids can be done by "sitting on your hams."

That attitude reflects a man who has no clue about the work involved in raising children, so I have my doubts.


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Wed 07/18/12 08:46 AM





Coming from a Soldier makes the letter even more better.


Yes, it does doesn't it...:smile:


Looking at the two opposite sides of the spectrum. I mean this man would put his life on the line for The USA. And the lovely third Generation Welfare Receivables, who never put any effort into a society that works and contributes for them to have shelter and food.



and the 'welfare' receivable would WORK too if they could find it

military are paid by taxes, should we restrict what they buy to eat or where they live as well?

after all , who is anybody to declare what someone is 'contributing'

are mothers raising healthy, productive children not contributing as much as a soldier who hangs out on a ship during peacetime keeping it clean and learning to shoot a gun or cook?


is the person working BESIDE another person in a job not deserving of the same FREEDOM with the money/resource they are earning because it doesnt come from the same source?

companies dont just HIRE anyone, but they sure as hell are willing to work them for 'free', saving them wages, benefits, taxes, etc,,,,

or should those who cant find employment or lost employment just not be able to work or RECEIVE any thing for their work, because it comes from the wrong payroll?





the class bigotry is astounding in this country,,,


Is a mother on welfare contributing because she is a mother? No. Honestly it costs more to support more people on welfare. The mother could more easily work and be self supporting if she didn't have kids. Kids on welfare and that have single parents are more likely to be on welfare themselves and more likely to be criminals. It's all in the statistics.



you have a different definition of contribute than I do

are housewives ,therefore, not contributing? or does it just matter on whether they have a spouse bringing in the money?

a mother wouldnt be a mother if she didnt have kids, but she could more easily BE THERE for her children if the FATHER was supporting them,, but people dont gripe nearly enough about how lax our culture is towards the MANS responsibilities

Being on welfare is now a five year deal, whether the kids will one day go on or not, is irrelevant... Everyone is likely to need help from SOMEONE for at least a total of five years out of their life,,but not everyone has family and social networks to give them that help

msharmony's photo
Wed 07/18/12 08:48 AM

IMO, that letter pretty well states what the majority of the 'dead-beat', load bearers are thinking. More and more of their wages go to many who simply refuse to take a job.

I doubt they mind helping those who are out there contributing. contributing doesn't mean sittin' on yer hams raisin' kids either. They can't behave while working, send 'em on to juvie.

Any job will raise a persons self esteem. Unless they were raised to be welfare dependents.



really? did slaves have high esteem? they certainly had plenty of 'jobs'....


the ability to provide and to be treated human are pretty important to self esteem

just having a 'job' doesnt provide EITHER of those things if its only paying for the resources needed to WORK that job,,,

Chazster's photo
Wed 07/18/12 08:50 AM




Relevant in the fact that lost of countries are in our situation. In fact before Obama too office were were better off than most first world countries but we added about 33% more September or over 5 trillion since then.


As I said, its a moot point.

Read the above.

So what if lots of other countries are in our situation or worse? We are all headed for the rocks if something doesn't change.

Abolish the Federal Reserve and print our own money. Let the banks fail.

We will survive.


Print more money ? That's a horrible idea. Let's just cause hyper inflation. That will help America.


You don't know anything about the financial system. I said we should print OUR OWN MONEY.

INSTEAD OF borrowing it from the Federal Reserve Bank and having to pay interest on it.

The Federal Reserve Bank is a private corporation and it is not part of our country or our Government.



And you know nothing about money. If you just print more money and put it in circulation the value of the dollar drops. So if you say print 20% more money then the value should drop 20% and thus prices rise 20%. For all of us that don't get 20% more then we currently have we will end up with less money. We will have to pay more for imports. If we devalue the dollar we risk it's place as the international reserve currency for trade. If we lose that prices skyrocket as we have to also pay exchange fees for all imports and exports.

msharmony's photo
Wed 07/18/12 08:57 AM




IMO, that letter pretty well states what the majority of the 'dead-beat', load bearers are thinking. More and more of their wages go to many who simply refuse to take a job.

I doubt they mind helping those who are out there contributing. contributing doesn't mean sittin' on yer hams raisin' kids either. They can't behave while working, send 'em on to juvie.

Any job will raise a persons self esteem. Unless they were raised to be welfare dependents.



So you, (because you're a man,) have the audacity to think (and even utter aloud) that a person could "sit on their hams" and raise kids?"

(I wonder if men who think like that have ever in their entire lives washed a dish or changed a diaper.)


Generalize much.

Matter of fact. I did just that.

I had custody of two kids. That was back when day care wouldn't take kids in diapers. I sat on welfare for two years.

Unlike the women, I had to go in every month and reapply. The women in the projects only had to go in once every 6 months.

After my kids were out of diapers, I put them in day care and went to work. I did whatever job I needed to to get off the dole.

Also, my kids never wore pampers. I cleaned chit out and rinsed them by hand. I had to learn what types of detergent to use so they didn't get rashes. The whole nine yards.

Yes, I have every right to talk about leeches who choose to suck the life blood and not contribute.




If that is true, then I am surprised you would say something that implies that raising kids can be done by "sitting on your hams."

That attitude reflects a man who has no clue about the work involved in raising children, so I have my doubts.



this is an issue with our culture, in my opinion, they believe the only thing there is to 'raising' a child is making sure there are finances

there are many kids growing up 'raising themself', but at least their parents NEVER asked for welfare,,,,,

or people think that all there is to 'raising' a child is being at home with them,,,,

so there are many kids who feel like their parents love them and are their best friends, but they have NO grasp on the reality of the world full of people who WONT center their whole world around them



RAISING children involves the delicate BALANCE of both the PHYSICAL presence and the Financial support,, thats why it was modeled to be done by TWO people


I love when people talk about how they WORKED their kids entire lives instead of being home with them(when there is no partner) just to fill their own ego to believe they were something special, more special than those who just 'sit at home'

I also love when people talk about how they STAYED home with their kid their entire lives (when they had a working partner and after the kids started school) and then pretends to relate to or understand the average WORKING MOM in this country,,,