Topic: 21 year old that gets it
msharmony's photo
Thu 07/19/12 12:24 AM







IMO, that letter pretty well states what the majority of the 'dead-beat', load bearers are thinking. More and more of their wages go to many who simply refuse to take a job.

I doubt they mind helping those who are out there contributing. contributing doesn't mean sittin' on yer hams raisin' kids either. They can't behave while working, send 'em on to juvie.

Any job will raise a persons self esteem. Unless they were raised to be welfare dependents.



really? did slaves have high esteem? they certainly had plenty of 'jobs'....


the ability to provide and to be treated human are pretty important to self esteem

just having a 'job' doesnt provide EITHER of those things if its only paying for the resources needed to WORK that job,,,

When was the last time you saw slaves working?

The new age slave sits on their deadass complaining about how much the world owes them.




This is an example of the type of ethics and morals generated by the Welfare Mentality.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BG5h3-CM3V4&feature=player_embedded

More slave revolting?



do some research, there is still slavery in the world, and there is even CHILD labor/slavery, and I doubt those children are being worked to give them 'self esteem' so much as they are to save some greedy fat cat some money,,,

I thought the topic was about here in the US.
Welfare Addicts are slaves to their drug.
I wish I could claim some of them as dependents. Get some of my Tax money back.
Many are, immature, self-absorbed, leeches. The only way they might grow up is to actually have them kicked out into the real world.



well, that would go for 'leeches' of any kind

but 'leeches' who are caring for children shouldnt mean children go without shelter and LOVE and food ,,,,,,

not in a country that can spend what we do on 'infrastructure' and military,,,,our children should be AT LEAST as important

I and many like me had kids, cared for kids and held jobs.

If you check out the video you will see examples of how welfare raised brats turn out.


how big a portion of welfare 'brats' are raised on welfare anymore?

any clue,,,,?


I dont consider myself an exception and there is no way I would RATHER work for just enough to get by at the risk of having others dictate what I could spend that hard earned income on

than I would work a 'job' that was approved for me to use the income as I needed and chose,,,

Chazster's photo
Thu 07/19/12 05:38 AM






Relevant in the fact that lost of countries are in our situation. In fact before Obama too office were were better off than most first world countries but we added about 33% more September or over 5 trillion since then.


As I said, its a moot point.

Read the above.

So what if lots of other countries are in our situation or worse? We are all headed for the rocks if something doesn't change.

Abolish the Federal Reserve and print our own money. Let the banks fail.

We will survive.


Print more money ? That's a horrible idea. Let's just cause hyper inflation. That will help America.


You don't know anything about the financial system. I said we should print OUR OWN MONEY.

INSTEAD OF borrowing it from the Federal Reserve Bank and having to pay interest on it.

The Federal Reserve Bank is a private corporation and it is not part of our country or our Government.



And you know nothing about money. If you just print more money and put it in circulation the value of the dollar drops. So if you say print 20% more money then the value should drop 20% and thus prices rise 20%. For all of us that don't get 20% more then we currently have we will end up with less money. We will have to pay more for imports. If we devalue the dollar we risk it's place as the international reserve currency for trade. If we lose that prices skyrocket as we have to also pay exchange fees for all imports and exports.



For your information "we" currently don't print any money.

The Federal Reserve prints it and loans it to us. The Federal Reserve is NOT part of our government or our country. It is a private corporation.

The "dollar" (IE: Federal Reserve NOTE) is not "real money" anyway. It represents a promise to pay. It represents debt. It is a debt instrument that we (slaves) are allowed to use for our personal living expenses and to purchase products from the Corporations. (Be consumers)

The dollar has no value in itself other that our belief (faith) that it can be exchanged for goods. You cannot cash it in for gold or silver.

This "dollar" is losing its standing in the world. Some countries are starting to buy and sell oil with other currency and they do not need the dollar. America's credit rating is slipping.

China is no longer trading the dollar for derivatives (contracts and agreements) because we defaulted on our contract to them for the gold we traded for bonds years ago. China is dumping the dollar by spending it on on real assets. (Land, companies, etc.)

The Corporation of the United States of America, by the way, is bankrupt and is borrowing money from the Federal Reserve Bank to stay a float, and the Federal Reserve Bank is simply creating "money" out of thin air because they too are in dire straits. They lost all their gold in the corrupt market, the rich Elite's gambling casino.

The Federal Reserve and The United States of America, (formerly the Virginia Company) are both corporations.

Paying back that interest to the Federal Reserve Bank is where all of your taxes are going including all of your income tax. And even with all the money we pay in taxes, we are not getting anything paid towards the national debt (a loan) and now we can't even meet the interest payments, which is due now.

Because of this fine mess they have gotten us into, they want to start world war III.








Reminds me of

Let me explain to you how this works: you see, the corporations finance Team America, and then Team America goes out... and the corporations sit there in their... in their corporation buildings, and... and, and see, they're all corporation-y... and they make money. 

willing2's photo
Thu 07/19/12 07:24 AM
States printing out their own silver and gold backed money would be a great idea. The leech will have to contribute to get money.

What's or who will back up food stamps and welfare?

When I talk about welfare leeches, I refer to those who make their career at it. The only way the leech can live off it is to have a secondary scam.

Parents giving them money they don't report, someone else paying their rent and bills they don't report. Money from under the table labor.

For the reading impaired;
Leeches are those who refuse to work whatever job they could get. Leeches are not those folks out there struggling, contributing, needing a hand up.

History has proven, the left leaners love their slaves. The best way to own folks and win their votes is with free trinkets and toys.

Supporting welfare is supporting the Federal Reserve. Every time those Food Stamp cards are swiped, the FR makes money. And there are those wanting to shut down the Federal Reserve.

rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl

msharmony's photo
Thu 07/19/12 07:34 AM
someone eats, someone else makes money

not a fair trade?


its again, hard to LIVE off of a system that applies a five year cap per lifetime cap

Chazster's photo
Thu 07/19/12 07:56 AM
Edited by Chazster on Thu 07/19/12 07:56 AM

someone eats, someone else makes money

not a fair trade?


its again, hard to LIVE off of a system that applies a five year cap per lifetime cap


Yea it's fair when people earn their own food.

willing2's photo
Thu 07/19/12 08:02 AM

someone eats, someone else makes money

not a fair trade?


its again, hard to LIVE off of a system that applies a five year cap per lifetime cap

Understood.
The only way to LIVE off it is to run scams/fraud.

no photo
Thu 07/19/12 08:48 AM
Edited by Jeanniebean on Thu 07/19/12 08:55 AM

States printing out their own silver and gold backed money would be a great idea. The leech will have to contribute to get money.

What's or who will back up food stamps and welfare?

When I talk about welfare leeches, I refer to those who make their career at it. The only way the leech can live off it is to have a secondary scam.

Parents giving them money they don't report, someone else paying their rent and bills they don't report. Money from under the table labor.

For the reading impaired;
Leeches are those who refuse to work whatever job they could get. Leeches are not those folks out there struggling, contributing, needing a hand up.

History has proven, the left leaners love their slaves. The best way to own folks and win their votes is with free trinkets and toys.

Supporting welfare is supporting the Federal Reserve. Every time those Food Stamp cards are swiped, the FR makes money. And there are those wanting to shut down the Federal Reserve.

rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl


umm. the leeches are the filthy rich Elite who never worked a day in their lives. Their entire occupation is deciding who to steal from or what market to manipulate to rip off the wealth of the world, or who they will invade or go to war with next. They meet behind closed doors with maximum security to decide these things and divy up the spoils of war and wealth.

And the dumbed down public gets distracted by the Emy awards and complain about welfare fraud.ohwell

The only work these Elite criminals do is deciding what country to invade next, and who to kill and what to steal, and what they want their propaganda machine, the major media to spew next.

The crimes of these individuals are monstrous compared to anyone who fails to report "free rent" or making money under the table. I say goody for them for doing what ever it takes to live better.

The brain washed public putting their attention on small time welfare frauds are over looking the criminals running and raping this country and getting away with it.

So go ahead and pay pay pay your income tax and report every dime you make and pay your fines, and your fees and your taxes every time you are asked to and feel good about yourself while the congress legally does insider trading, ripping off the average person who invests in the market...

...if it makes you feel self righteous and good about yourself to do so.



no photo
Thu 07/19/12 08:52 AM
Edited by Jeanniebean on Thu 07/19/12 08:52 AM
P.S. every time you use a Federal Reserve note, or take out a loan, the Fed makes money on you and the interest. Every time you pay income tax, or property tax, the Elite make money.

willing2's photo
Thu 07/19/12 08:55 AM


States printing out their own silver and gold backed money would be a great idea. The leech will have to contribute to get money.

What's or who will back up food stamps and welfare?

When I talk about welfare leeches, I refer to those who make their career at it. The only way the leech can live off it is to have a secondary scam.

Parents giving them money they don't report, someone else paying their rent and bills they don't report. Money from under the table labor.

For the reading impaired;
Leeches are those who refuse to work whatever job they could get. Leeches are not those folks out there struggling, contributing, needing a hand up.

History has proven, the left leaners love their slaves. The best way to own folks and win their votes is with free trinkets and toys.

Supporting welfare is supporting the Federal Reserve. Every time those Food Stamp cards are swiped, the FR makes money. And there are those wanting to shut down the Federal Reserve.

rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl


umm. the leeches are the filthy rich Elite who never worked a day in their lives. Their entire occupation is deciding who to steal from or what market to manipulate to rip off the wealth of the world, or who they will invade or go to war with next. They meet behind closed doors with maximum security to decide these things and divy up the spoils of war and wealth.

And the dumbed down public gets distracted by the Emy awards and complain about welfare fraud.ohwell

The only work these Elite criminals do is deciding what country to invade next, and who to kill and what to steal, and what they want their propaganda machine, the major media to spew next.

The crimes of these individuals are monstrous compared to anyone who fails to report "free rent" or making money under the table. I say goody for them for doing what ever it takes to live better.

The brain washed public putting their attention on small time welfare frauds are over looking the criminals running and raping this country and getting away with it.





So, which is it?
You close the FED Res, welfare and food stamps end.
Close the Fed Res or keep handing out freebies to losers?

no photo
Thu 07/19/12 09:00 AM
It is not a choice between the two.

If the Fed goes down we print our own money replacing the Federal Reserve notes with something else like silver certificates like John Kennedy did. (and was assassinated for doing) Or create a new currency based something of value.

Just don't borrow it from the Fed. We got along without them before they were created and we can do it again.

In the meanwhile, don't hurt the people by taking away the benefits we do have and we paid dearly for.

But if it makes you feel good to whine and complain about the welfare system no one can stop you.

So go ahead and pay pay pay your income tax and report every dime you make and pay your fines, and your fees and your taxes every time you are asked to and feel good about yourself while the congress legally does insider trading, ripping off the average person who invests in the market...

...if it makes you feel self righteous and good about yourself to do so.

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Thu 07/19/12 09:06 AM
And if you want to invest in something, buy silver. And not just a contract for silver. Get the silver in your hands.

And don't put it in a safety deposit box. It may turn up missing.


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Thu 07/19/12 09:07 AM
Journalism's Dumbing Down of Public Debate, and What the Right Can Do About It

"The Internet and the availability of the latest news when you want it has enormous value. But it has also contributed at times to sloppy journalism and a dumbed-down public debate. It's become a carnival where every day is Election Day; where we're consumed with who's up and who's down; where we book people on TV to do nothing more than argue with one another, generating more heat than light; where we allow ourselves to be caught up in the trivial tempest of the moment. And I know my profession is not blameless. Folks in our end of the business often feel compelled to play along, feed the beast, and help contribute to an atmosphere of cynicism."


"That's why, more than ever, we need the true public thinkers. People who take the time to ponder and reflect and examine issues in a usefully provocative way. Serious people, with serious ideas."

"Unfortunately for Axelrod, he works for a President who is a pretender, someone who isn't following the advice given above. Obama's version of "bipartisanship" is giving the visual of reaching out to conservatives, and then ignoring them when it comes to substantive matters. And Obama's ideas aren't new and provocative in any way: more government spending, more government involvement in the market, more government involved in energy, education, health care, etc. For now, he has successfully duped much of the public into thinking his ideas are "new" just because he himself is "new."


http://www.thenextright.com/matt-moon/journalisms-dumbing-down-of-public-debate-and-what-the-right-can-do-about-it

willing2's photo
Thu 07/19/12 09:08 AM

It is not a choice between the two.

If the Fed goes down we print our own money replacing the Federal Reserve notes with something else like silver certificates like John Kennedy did. (and was assassinated for doing) Or create a new currency based something of value.

Just don't borrow it from the Fed. We got along without them before they were created and we can do it again.

In the meanwhile, don't hurt the people by taking away the benefits we do have and we paid dearly for.

But if it makes you feel good to whine and complain about the welfare system no one can stop you.

So go ahead and pay pay pay your income tax and report every dime you make and pay your fines, and your fees and your taxes every time you are asked to and feel good about yourself while the congress legally does insider trading, ripping off the average person who invests in the market...

...if it makes you feel self righteous and good about yourself to do so.


I don't whine, I'm calling for Tax Payers revolting and refusing to give hand outs to those who REFUSE to contribute. Reading comprehension impaired?slaphead

Let's see. A state prints it's own money. Cool.

You think they will just give it away for free or, will those who want it have to CONTRIBUTE to get it?

Swipe a Food Stamp card, Fed wins.

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Thu 07/19/12 09:26 AM
Edited by Jeanniebean on Thu 07/19/12 09:27 AM


It is not a choice between the two.

If the Fed goes down we print our own money replacing the Federal Reserve notes with something else like silver certificates like John Kennedy did. (and was assassinated for doing) Or create a new currency based something of value.

Just don't borrow it from the Fed. We got along without them before they were created and we can do it again.

In the meanwhile, don't hurt the people by taking away the benefits we do have and we paid dearly for.

But if it makes you feel good to whine and complain about the welfare system no one can stop you.

So go ahead and pay pay pay your income tax and report every dime you make and pay your fines, and your fees and your taxes every time you are asked to and feel good about yourself while the congress legally does insider trading, ripping off the average person who invests in the market...

...if it makes you feel self righteous and good about yourself to do so.


I don't whine, I'm calling for Tax Payers revolting and refusing to give hand outs to those who REFUSE to contribute. Reading comprehension impaired?slaphead



If you don't be more specific about how this "revolt" should happen then its just whining.

Are you saying people should stop paying taxes? Which taxes? Or are you saying that we should ask our "representatives" to do something... and if so... what exactly?

If you actually have a solution I would love to hear it.




Let's see. A state prints it's own money. Cool.

You think they will just give it away for free or, will those who want it have to CONTRIBUTE to get it?

Swipe a Food Stamp card, Fed wins.


Kennedy was having congress printing silver certificates and if that would have continued, eventually the Federal Reserve notes would have been replaced or national debt would have had a better chance of getting paid.

Which would you rather have? A silver certificate or a promise to pay debt instrument like a Federal reserve note that we had to borrow and pay interest on?


willing2's photo
Thu 07/19/12 09:31 AM

At one point you was talking about States (PRINTING) their own money.

Here is my question again.


Let's see. A state prints it's own money. Cool.

You think States that print their own money will just give it away for free or, will those who want it have to CONTRIBUTE/work to get it?


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Thu 07/19/12 09:35 AM


At one point you was talking about States (PRINTING) their own money.

Here is my question again.


Let's see. A state prints it's own money. Cool.

You think States that print their own money will just give it away for free or, will those who want it have to CONTRIBUTE/work to get it?





Money is a means of exchange. It is for buying and selling and trading etc.

It's never just given away for free.



willing2's photo
Thu 07/19/12 09:38 AM



At one point you was talking about States (PRINTING) their own money.

Here is my question again.


Let's see. A state prints it's own money. Cool.

You think States that print their own money will just give it away for free or, will those who want it have to CONTRIBUTE/work to get it?





Money is a means of exchange. It is for buying and selling and trading etc.

It's never just given away for free.




So, what would happen to those who refuse to contribute or work for the State Printed money?

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Thu 07/19/12 09:40 AM
I am currently reading this document copyright(1944)


PRIVATE ENTERPRISE MONEY
A Non-Political Money System
by E. C. Riegel

http://www.reinventingmoney.com/documents/Enterprise.pdf


Introduction
Man has two major problems.
His first problem is:
HOW TO PROSPER.
His second problem is:
HOW TO GOVERN GOVERNMENT.
The solution of one is the solution of the other. It lies in the understanding and exercising
of his inherent money power through a non-political money system.

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Thu 07/19/12 09:43 AM




At one point you was talking about States (PRINTING) their own money.

Here is my question again.


Let's see. A state prints it's own money. Cool.

You think States that print their own money will just give it away for free or, will those who want it have to CONTRIBUTE/work to get it?





Money is a means of exchange. It is for buying and selling and trading etc.

It's never just given away for free.




So, what would happen to those who refuse to contribute or work for the State Printed money?



Willing2, I really am trying to find solutions for the time when the Federal Reserve notes might become worthless.

I would really like to hear YOUR solution to how tax payers can "revolt."

Again, are you saying people should stop paying taxes? Which taxes?

Or are you saying that we should ask our "representatives" to do something... and if so... what exactly?

Solutions are what I am looking for.





willing2's photo
Thu 07/19/12 09:48 AM





At one point you was talking about States (PRINTING) their own money.

Here is my question again.


Let's see. A state prints it's own money. Cool.

You think States that print their own money will just give it away for free or, will those who want it have to CONTRIBUTE/work to get it?





Money is a means of exchange. It is for buying and selling and trading etc.

It's never just given away for free.




So, what would happen to those who refuse to contribute or work for the State Printed money?

Solutions are what I am looking for.

I asked one simple question about State Printed money.
Do you have an answer to that question?