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Topic: 21 year old that gets it
Jeanniebean Joined Wed 01/30/08 Posts: 40028	Thu 07/19/12 09:49 AM Edited by Jeanniebean on Thu 07/19/12 09:58 AM
So, what would happen to those who refuse to contribute or work for the State Printed money? As for people who can work, but won't work, they don't get any money for free. People who need help and have worked all their lives should get the help they need from government. People who are on drugs, sick, or want easy money usually turn to crime and fraud. They could end up in jail or prison and we end up paying for them anyway. Failing government programs, charity is all that is left. They either work or become beggars or thieves. In any case people have to do something to "make a living." Edit: sick people who don't have insurance have to depend on state money for aid if it is available. If it is not, then they may have to turn tor crime or fraud or just suffer and die alone, which some of them do.

Jeanniebean Joined Wed 01/30/08 Posts: 40028	Thu 07/19/12 09:52 AM
At one point you was talking about States (PRINTING) their own money. Here is my question again. Let's see. A state prints it's own money. Cool. You think States that print their own money will just give it away for free or, will those who want it have to CONTRIBUTE/work to get it? Money is a means of exchange. It is for buying and selling and trading etc. It's never just given away for free. So, what would happen to those who refuse to contribute or work for the State Printed money? Solutions are what I am looking for. I asked one simple question about State Printed money. Do you have an answer to that question? Why do you feel I MUST answer your questions when you don't answer mine? Do you have any solutions? How do we the people conduct a tax revolt? Or are you just complaining and spouting? What do you propose we do? What are you doing? Will you read the report on Private Enterprise money I linked to or are you too busy or too lazy or just don't care about solutions? What will you do? What are you doing? What do you suggest? Do you have any solutions?

willing2 Joined Sun 06/08/08 Posts: 20221	Thu 07/19/12 09:56 AM Edited by willing2 on Thu 07/19/12 10:02 AM
So, what would happen to those who refuse to contribute or work for the State Printed money? As for people who can work, but won't work, they don't get any money for free. People who need help and have worked all their lives should get the help they need from government. People who are on drugs, sick, or want easy money usually turn to crime and fraud. They could end up in jail or prison and we end up paying for them anyway. Failing government programs, charity is all that is left. They either work or become beggars or thieves. In any case people have to do something to "make a living." Right. Charity should be voluntary. That's how the FED makes lots money. Cut out that tax and the FED makes less profit. Starve the FED and they will die. Forcing taxes on people that go to supporting those who refuse to contribute is not right on any level. I'm all for helping the sick or infirm. You bet. I would love to see the able-bodied who refuse to help themselves booted to the curb. ........................................................... I have no idea how to do a tax revolt. Just putting the idea out there hoping someone with that type of experience will latch on to it and run with it. I would vote for it. ............................................................ PS I will try to read that. Lots of pages and they talk like lawyers. I can do it piece-meal.

Jeanniebean Joined Wed 01/30/08 Posts: 40028	Thu 07/19/12 10:09 AM Edited by Jeanniebean on Thu 07/19/12 10:10 AM
I have no idea how to do a tax revolt. Just putting the idea out there hoping someone with that type of experience will latch on to it and run with it. I would vote for it. But aren't you sick of just "putting it out there" and "hoping" that someone will latch on to it and run with it? How many people are doing the same? (hoping) Where are the people actually doing the latching and running? We have a guy in Colorado, an ordinary citizen, his name is Doug Bruce who has kept taxes low in Colorado Springs for decades by "latching and running" with the idea that all new taxes have to be voted on by the public, and not just created by politicians when ever they feel like it. He has been a pain in the City's butt for years and he has been very successful. Recently they put him in jail for something. Probably tax evasion of some trumped up charge. He is just an ordinary citizen. To me, he looks like a hero. To a lot of politicians he is a pain in the butt. More people need to find at least one thing they can "latch onto" and run with. I want to actually do something. I am learning about Private enterprise money, I am working on creating a trading post, I am planting some of my own food. (Fruit trees and growing some black eyed peas....in my small yard. My neighbors are raising chickens and planting gardens. I don't pay "income tax" because I don't make a lot of federal reserve notes. I don't intend to pay taxes on my fruits and veggies that I grow in my yard either. I pan for gold to create my own money. What will you do?

msharmony Joined Mon 08/31/09 Posts: 61041	Thu 07/19/12 10:17 AM Edited by msharmony on Thu 07/19/12 10:18 AM
Journalism's Dumbing Down of Public Debate, and What the Right Can Do About It "The Internet and the availability of the latest news when you want it has enormous value. But it has also contributed at times to sloppy journalism and a dumbed-down public debate. It's become a carnival where every day is Election Day; where we're consumed with who's up and who's down; where we book people on TV to do nothing more than argue with one another, generating more heat than light; where we allow ourselves to be caught up in the trivial tempest of the moment. And I know my profession is not blameless. Folks in our end of the business often feel compelled to play along, feed the beast, and help contribute to an atmosphere of cynicism." "That's why, more than ever, we need the true public thinkers. People who take the time to ponder and reflect and examine issues in a usefully provocative way. Serious people, with serious ideas." "Unfortunately for Axelrod, he works for a President who is a pretender, someone who isn't following the advice given above. Obama's version of "bipartisanship" is giving the visual of reaching out to conservatives, and then ignoring them when it comes to substantive matters. And Obama's ideas aren't new and provocative in any way: more government spending, more government involvement in the market, more government involved in energy, education, health care, etc. For now, he has successfully duped much of the public into thinking his ideas are "new" just because he himself is "new." http://www.thenextright.com/matt-moon/journalisms-dumbing-down-of-public-debate-and-what-the-right-can-do-about-it there is no 'new' idea under the sun,, including the idea that some have that if someone else doesnt do things the way they want , that someone else is 'pretending' and not following good advice,,,

Chazster Joined Tue 08/28/07 Posts: 6206	Thu 07/19/12 10:22 AM
Journalism's Dumbing Down of Public Debate, and What the Right Can Do About It "The Internet and the availability of the latest news when you want it has enormous value. But it has also contributed at times to sloppy journalism and a dumbed-down public debate. It's become a carnival where every day is Election Day; where we're consumed with who's up and who's down; where we book people on TV to do nothing more than argue with one another, generating more heat than light; where we allow ourselves to be caught up in the trivial tempest of the moment. And I know my profession is not blameless. Folks in our end of the business often feel compelled to play along, feed the beast, and help contribute to an atmosphere of cynicism." "That's why, more than ever, we need the true public thinkers. People who take the time to ponder and reflect and examine issues in a usefully provocative way. Serious people, with serious ideas." "Unfortunately for Axelrod, he works for a President who is a pretender, someone who isn't following the advice given above. Obama's version of "bipartisanship" is giving the visual of reaching out to conservatives, and then ignoring them when it comes to substantive matters. And Obama's ideas aren't new and provocative in any way: more government spending, more government involvement in the market, more government involved in energy, education, health care, etc. For now, he has successfully duped much of the public into thinking his ideas are "new" just because he himself is "new." http://www.thenextright.com/matt-moon/journalisms-dumbing-down-of-public-debate-and-what-the-right-can-do-about-it there is no 'new' idea under the sun,, including the idea that some have that if someone else doesnt do things the way they want , that someone else is 'pretending' and not following good advice,,, There are no new ideas for anything? That is incorrect. As new things are discovered and new technologies are invented their are lots if new ideas on how to use them.

msharmony Joined Mon 08/31/09 Posts: 61041	Thu 07/19/12 10:31 AM Edited by msharmony on Thu 07/19/12 10:32 AM
Journalism's Dumbing Down of Public Debate, and What the Right Can Do About It "The Internet and the availability of the latest news when you want it has enormous value. But it has also contributed at times to sloppy journalism and a dumbed-down public debate. It's become a carnival where every day is Election Day; where we're consumed with who's up and who's down; where we book people on TV to do nothing more than argue with one another, generating more heat than light; where we allow ourselves to be caught up in the trivial tempest of the moment. And I know my profession is not blameless. Folks in our end of the business often feel compelled to play along, feed the beast, and help contribute to an atmosphere of cynicism." "That's why, more than ever, we need the true public thinkers. People who take the time to ponder and reflect and examine issues in a usefully provocative way. Serious people, with serious ideas." "Unfortunately for Axelrod, he works for a President who is a pretender, someone who isn't following the advice given above. Obama's version of "bipartisanship" is giving the visual of reaching out to conservatives, and then ignoring them when it comes to substantive matters. And Obama's ideas aren't new and provocative in any way: more government spending, more government involvement in the market, more government involved in energy, education, health care, etc. For now, he has successfully duped much of the public into thinking his ideas are "new" just because he himself is "new." http://www.thenextright.com/matt-moon/journalisms-dumbing-down-of-public-debate-and-what-the-right-can-do-about-it there is no 'new' idea under the sun,, including the idea that some have that if someone else doesnt do things the way they want , that someone else is 'pretending' and not following good advice,,, There are no new ideas for anything? That is incorrect. As new things are discovered and new technologies are invented their are lots if new ideas on how to use them. very rarely, people dont pull things from the air, they use what they have seen or observed but they can become the first to 'record' an idea as their own in a patent or a copyright and they can become the first to 'implement' what was once only an idea

Jeanniebean Joined Wed 01/30/08 Posts: 40028	Thu 07/19/12 10:33 AM
Douglas Bruce is a tax protester. He is, according to the corrupt corporation, an outlaw and a trouble maker (for them.) Yet he kept State and City taxes low for decades, especially in Colorado Springs where I lived. He is on Wiki. They have of course made him out to be a criminal, but he is a tax protester standing up to big government and the corporations for a long time, mostly all by himself. It is difficult to lead a tax revolt without getting into trouble with the Cabal. To me, he is a hero. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Douglas_Bruce

Leigh2154 Joined Sun 10/02/11 Posts: 16479	Thu 07/19/12 10:34 AM Edited by Leigh2154 on Thu 07/19/12 10:34 AM
Journalism's Dumbing Down of Public Debate, and What the Right Can Do About It "The Internet and the availability of the latest news when you want it has enormous value. But it has also contributed at times to sloppy journalism and a dumbed-down public debate. It's become a carnival where every day is Election Day; where we're consumed with who's up and who's down; where we book people on TV to do nothing more than argue with one another, generating more heat than light; where we allow ourselves to be caught up in the trivial tempest of the moment. And I know my profession is not blameless. Folks in our end of the business often feel compelled to play along, feed the beast, and help contribute to an atmosphere of cynicism." "That's why, more than ever, we need the true public thinkers. People who take the time to ponder and reflect and examine issues in a usefully provocative way. Serious people, with serious ideas." "Unfortunately for Axelrod, he works for a President who is a pretender, someone who isn't following the advice given above. Obama's version of "bipartisanship" is giving the visual of reaching out to conservatives, and then ignoring them when it comes to substantive matters. And Obama's ideas aren't new and provocative in any way: more government spending, more government involvement in the market, more government involved in energy, education, health care, etc. For now, he has successfully duped much of the public into thinking his ideas are "new" just because he himself is "new." http://www.thenextright.com/matt-moon/journalisms-dumbing-down-of-public-debate-and-what-the-right-can-do-about-it there is no 'new' idea under the sun,, including the idea that some have that if someone else doesnt do things the way they want , that someone else is 'pretending' and not following good advice,,, It's a darn good article...makes a lot of sense and is unbiased....There are ALWAYS new ides, always....

msharmony Joined Mon 08/31/09 Posts: 61041	Thu 07/19/12 10:39 AM
Journalism's Dumbing Down of Public Debate, and What the Right Can Do About It "The Internet and the availability of the latest news when you want it has enormous value. But it has also contributed at times to sloppy journalism and a dumbed-down public debate. It's become a carnival where every day is Election Day; where we're consumed with who's up and who's down; where we book people on TV to do nothing more than argue with one another, generating more heat than light; where we allow ourselves to be caught up in the trivial tempest of the moment. And I know my profession is not blameless. Folks in our end of the business often feel compelled to play along, feed the beast, and help contribute to an atmosphere of cynicism." "That's why, more than ever, we need the true public thinkers. People who take the time to ponder and reflect and examine issues in a usefully provocative way. Serious people, with serious ideas." "Unfortunately for Axelrod, he works for a President who is a pretender, someone who isn't following the advice given above. Obama's version of "bipartisanship" is giving the visual of reaching out to conservatives, and then ignoring them when it comes to substantive matters. And Obama's ideas aren't new and provocative in any way: more government spending, more government involvement in the market, more government involved in energy, education, health care, etc. For now, he has successfully duped much of the public into thinking his ideas are "new" just because he himself is "new." http://www.thenextright.com/matt-moon/journalisms-dumbing-down-of-public-debate-and-what-the-right-can-do-about-it there is no 'new' idea under the sun,, including the idea that some have that if someone else doesnt do things the way they want , that someone else is 'pretending' and not following good advice,,, It's a darn good article...makes a lot of sense and is unbiased....There are ALWAYS new ides, always.... rarely rarely any that can be traced to their 'original' thinker especially

Chazster Joined Tue 08/28/07 Posts: 6206	Thu 07/19/12 10:43 AM
Journalism's Dumbing Down of Public Debate, and What the Right Can Do About It "The Internet and the availability of the latest news when you want it has enormous value. But it has also contributed at times to sloppy journalism and a dumbed-down public debate. It's become a carnival where every day is Election Day; where we're consumed with who's up and who's down; where we book people on TV to do nothing more than argue with one another, generating more heat than light; where we allow ourselves to be caught up in the trivial tempest of the moment. And I know my profession is not blameless. Folks in our end of the business often feel compelled to play along, feed the beast, and help contribute to an atmosphere of cynicism." "That's why, more than ever, we need the true public thinkers. People who take the time to ponder and reflect and examine issues in a usefully provocative way. Serious people, with serious ideas." "Unfortunately for Axelrod, he works for a President who is a pretender, someone who isn't following the advice given above. Obama's version of "bipartisanship" is giving the visual of reaching out to conservatives, and then ignoring them when it comes to substantive matters. And Obama's ideas aren't new and provocative in any way: more government spending, more government involvement in the market, more government involved in energy, education, health care, etc. For now, he has successfully duped much of the public into thinking his ideas are "new" just because he himself is "new." http://www.thenextright.com/matt-moon/journalisms-dumbing-down-of-public-debate-and-what-the-right-can-do-about-it there is no 'new' idea under the sun,, including the idea that some have that if someone else doesnt do things the way they want , that someone else is 'pretending' and not following good advice,,, There are no new ideas for anything? That is incorrect. As new things are discovered and new technologies are invented their are lots if new ideas on how to use them. very rarely, people dont pull things from the air, they use what they have seen or observed but they can become the first to 'record' an idea as their own in a patent or a copyright and they can become the first to 'implement' what was once only an idea Someone thought of the MP3 player. They was a new idea that didn't come about until computers. Then someone had the idea on how to implement it. Someone had the idea to add video. Someone had an idea on how to improve their storage and batterylife. Someone had the idea for programs like iTunes. There was no thought on how that could be used with an mp3 player before mp3 were around. Someone had to come up with how it would work. New cell phone technologies or any tech for that matter. Sure we have ideas about beyond light speed travel but until some new idea comes and actually makes it possible we can't do it. Just because an abstract idea is there already doesn't mean lots of new ideas are not formed to turn something abstract into reality.

Leigh2154 Joined Sun 10/02/11 Posts: 16479	Thu 07/19/12 10:52 AM
Journalism's Dumbing Down of Public Debate, and What the Right Can Do About It "The Internet and the availability of the latest news when you want it has enormous value. But it has also contributed at times to sloppy journalism and a dumbed-down public debate. It's become a carnival where every day is Election Day; where we're consumed with who's up and who's down; where we book people on TV to do nothing more than argue with one another, generating more heat than light; where we allow ourselves to be caught up in the trivial tempest of the moment. And I know my profession is not blameless. Folks in our end of the business often feel compelled to play along, feed the beast, and help contribute to an atmosphere of cynicism." "That's why, more than ever, we need the true public thinkers. People who take the time to ponder and reflect and examine issues in a usefully provocative way. Serious people, with serious ideas." "Unfortunately for Axelrod, he works for a President who is a pretender, someone who isn't following the advice given above. Obama's version of "bipartisanship" is giving the visual of reaching out to conservatives, and then ignoring them when it comes to substantive matters. And Obama's ideas aren't new and provocative in any way: more government spending, more government involvement in the market, more government involved in energy, education, health care, etc. For now, he has successfully duped much of the public into thinking his ideas are "new" just because he himself is "new." http://www.thenextright.com/matt-moon/journalisms-dumbing-down-of-public-debate-and-what-the-right-can-do-about-it there is no 'new' idea under the sun,, including the idea that some have that if someone else doesnt do things the way they want , that someone else is 'pretending' and not following good advice,,, It's a darn good article...makes a lot of sense and is unbiased....There are ALWAYS new ides, always.... rarely rarely any that can be traced to their 'original' thinker especially No always....

Jeanniebean Joined Wed 01/30/08 Posts: 40028	Thu 07/19/12 10:54 AM
Journalism's Dumbing Down of Public Debate, and What the Right Can Do About It "The Internet and the availability of the latest news when you want it has enormous value. But it has also contributed at times to sloppy journalism and a dumbed-down public debate. It's become a carnival where every day is Election Day; where we're consumed with who's up and who's down; where we book people on TV to do nothing more than argue with one another, generating more heat than light; where we allow ourselves to be caught up in the trivial tempest of the moment. And I know my profession is not blameless. Folks in our end of the business often feel compelled to play along, feed the beast, and help contribute to an atmosphere of cynicism." "That's why, more than ever, we need the true public thinkers. People who take the time to ponder and reflect and examine issues in a usefully provocative way. Serious people, with serious ideas." "Unfortunately for Axelrod, he works for a President who is a pretender, someone who isn't following the advice given above. Obama's version of "bipartisanship" is giving the visual of reaching out to conservatives, and then ignoring them when it comes to substantive matters. And Obama's ideas aren't new and provocative in any way: more government spending, more government involvement in the market, more government involved in energy, education, health care, etc. For now, he has successfully duped much of the public into thinking his ideas are "new" just because he himself is "new." http://www.thenextright.com/matt-moon/journalisms-dumbing-down-of-public-debate-and-what-the-right-can-do-about-it there is no 'new' idea under the sun,, including the idea that some have that if someone else doesnt do things the way they want , that someone else is 'pretending' and not following good advice,,, It's a darn good article...makes a lot of sense and is unbiased....There are ALWAYS new ides, always.... rarely rarely any that can be traced to their 'original' thinker especially New ideas and new ways of doing things are what separate us from machines. Yes, there are always new ideas that is what initiates change. They may be ideas that were used in ancient times in a world before Atlantis that was destroyed, but they are certainly new to the new world. Every idea and every individual's take on it are individual and unique. Improvements come to each idea and that is progress. If there were no new ideas, and no progress we would still be living in caves plucking berries and clubbing our wives. Humans are channels for new ideas that come from the implicate order and into our reality. (The explicate order) wiki: In the enfolded [or implicate] order, space and time are no longer the dominant factors determining the relationships of dependence or independence of different elements. Rather, an entirely different sort of basic connection of elements is possible, from which our ordinary notions of space and time, along with those of separately existent material particles, are abstracted as forms derived from the deeper order. These ordinary notions in fact appear in what is called the "explicate" or "unfolded" order, which is a special and distinguished form contained within the general totality of all the implicate orders (Bohm 1980, p. xv).

Jeanniebean Joined Wed 01/30/08 Posts: 40028	Thu 07/19/12 10:59 AM Edited by Jeanniebean on Thu 07/19/12 10:59 AM
Humans have the creative spark. It is what leads to progress. Creativity and imagination rules the world. Use it to your advantage. Think positive and you will move forward.

Leigh2154 Joined Sun 10/02/11 Posts: 16479	Thu 07/19/12 11:00 AM
Humans have the creative spark. It is what leads to progress. Creativity and imagination rules the world. Use it to your advantage. Think positive and you will move forward.

Chazster Joined Tue 08/28/07 Posts: 6206	Thu 07/19/12 11:05 AM
Humans have the creative spark. It is what leads to progress. Creativity and imagination rules the world. Use it to your advantage. Think positive and you will move forward. July 19, 2012 noon mountain time. Chaz and Jen agree. Mark your calendars people.

Leigh2154 Joined Sun 10/02/11 Posts: 16479	Thu 07/19/12 11:17 AM
Humans have the creative spark. It is what leads to progress. Creativity and imagination rules the world. Use it to your advantage. Think positive and you will move forward. July 19, 2012 noon mountain time. Chaz and Jen and Leigh agree. Mark your calendars people. Fixed it...

willing2 Joined Sun 06/08/08 Posts: 20221	Thu 07/19/12 11:49 AM
Humans have the creative spark. It is what leads to progress. Creativity and imagination rules the world. Use it to your advantage. Think positive and you will move forward. July 19, 2012 noon mountain time. Chaz and Jen and Leigh and Willing2 agree. Mark your calendars people. Fixed it... Refixted it again.

Leigh2154 Joined Sun 10/02/11 Posts: 16479	Thu 07/19/12 11:52 AM
Humans have the creative spark. It is what leads to progress. Creativity and imagination rules the world. Use it to your advantage. Think positive and you will move forward. July 19, 2012 noon mountain time. Chaz and Jen and Leigh and Willing2 agree. Mark your calendars people. Fixed it... Refixted it again.

msharmony Joined Mon 08/31/09 Posts: 61041	Thu 07/19/12 05:15 PM
Journalism's Dumbing Down of Public Debate, and What the Right Can Do About It "The Internet and the availability of the latest news when you want it has enormous value. But it has also contributed at times to sloppy journalism and a dumbed-down public debate. It's become a carnival where every day is Election Day; where we're consumed with who's up and who's down; where we book people on TV to do nothing more than argue with one another, generating more heat than light; where we allow ourselves to be caught up in the trivial tempest of the moment. And I know my profession is not blameless. Folks in our end of the business often feel compelled to play along, feed the beast, and help contribute to an atmosphere of cynicism." "That's why, more than ever, we need the true public thinkers. People who take the time to ponder and reflect and examine issues in a usefully provocative way. Serious people, with serious ideas." "Unfortunately for Axelrod, he works for a President who is a pretender, someone who isn't following the advice given above. Obama's version of "bipartisanship" is giving the visual of reaching out to conservatives, and then ignoring them when it comes to substantive matters. And Obama's ideas aren't new and provocative in any way: more government spending, more government involvement in the market, more government involved in energy, education, health care, etc. For now, he has successfully duped much of the public into thinking his ideas are "new" just because he himself is "new." http://www.thenextright.com/matt-moon/journalisms-dumbing-down-of-public-debate-and-what-the-right-can-do-about-it there is no 'new' idea under the sun,, including the idea that some have that if someone else doesnt do things the way they want , that someone else is 'pretending' and not following good advice,,, There are no new ideas for anything? That is incorrect. As new things are discovered and new technologies are invented their are lots if new ideas on how to use them. very rarely, people dont pull things from the air, they use what they have seen or observed but they can become the first to 'record' an idea as their own in a patent or a copyright and they can become the first to 'implement' what was once only an idea Someone thought of the MP3 player. They was a new idea that didn't come about until computers. Then someone had the idea on how to implement it. Someone had the idea to add video. Someone had an idea on how to improve their storage and batterylife. Someone had the idea for programs like iTunes. There was no thought on how that could be used with an mp3 player before mp3 were around. Someone had to come up with how it would work. New cell phone technologies or any tech for that matter. Sure we have ideas about beyond light speed travel but until some new idea comes and actually makes it possible we can't do it. Just because an abstract idea is there already doesn't mean lots of new ideas are not formed to turn something abstract into reality. no kidding, someone thought of it,, but were they the only UNIQUE person to ever 'think' of it? or are they just the first to put together the specific combination of 'details' to implement it? having an idea does not make the idea 'new' and ther you have it, as you say , because an 'abstract' is already there doesnt mean something new isnt formed to IMPLEMENT IT therefore the statement that obama is doing nothing 'new' is inaccurate, based upon him being the one who has gotten these ideas from the ABSTRACT into a workable idea that was implemented (him being ONE of the ones to do so, as it was the whole government which was involved in the process)