Topic: Gotta love that Texas Death Penalty
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Wed 10/17/12 06:31 PM
"I will not put myself in the same ignorant state of mind as a killer by justifying death."
Until right before he kills you or you loved one. Ok.

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Wed 10/17/12 06:35 PM
willing2, I believe that I can't speak to you because it causes the mods/admins problems with your complaints. I stay out of your forum posts and do not address you as I was told by them.

Sorry if this was out of line. Don't want to write it in an email.

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Wed 10/17/12 06:37 PM

willing2, I believe that I can't speak to you because it causes the mods/admins problems with your complaints. I stay out of your forum posts and do not address you as I was told by them.

Sorry if this was out of line. Don't want to write it in an email.

Then don't comment at all. you won't be missed.

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Wed 10/17/12 06:38 PM

"I will not put myself in the same ignorant state of mind as a killer by justifying death."
Until right before he kills you or you loved one. Ok.


Do you know how many of my family members have been killed?

Do you know if I have been attacked?

No.

I will not condone murder or killing whether done by one hand or the state because I am not of the mind set of a killer. I get no joy from killing whether it be in war, death penalty or acts of violence.

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Wed 10/17/12 06:41 PM


"I will not put myself in the same ignorant state of mind as a killer by justifying death."
Until right before he kills you or you loved one. Ok.


Do you know how many of my family members have been killed?

Do you know if I have been attacked?

No.

I will not condone murder or killing whether done by one hand or the state because I am not of the mind set of a killer. I get no joy from killing whether it be in war, death penalty or acts of violence.

You don't either, until you do, please shut up.

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Wed 10/17/12 06:47 PM


again, I love that Texas death penalty.
Unless you were one of the 300 former death row inmates exonerated by DNA within the last decade. 300 people came within hours of death because the judicial system failed. What is even stranger is what were the prosucutors, judges and police doing that these men were all exonerated. Jeffrey Dahmer, killed many, he killed his victims, had sex with the bodies, cooked his victims, then eat his victims. Then was sent to prison. No death penalty. Fortunately the savage was given the death penalty by a fellow inmate. Justice was served. Some do deserve the death penalty, BUT 300 EXONERATIONS THROUGH DNA SCARES THE CRAP OUT OF ME, THAT MEANS THAT OUR JUDICIAL SYSTEM AND OUR SO CALLED CIVILIZED SOCIETY IS IN NEED OF DIVINE GUIDENCE. I sure would hate to be accused of a crime while innocent, 300? Thats alot.


This thread is about the Texas Death Row.

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Wed 10/17/12 06:49 PM
There have been many innocents killed even in Texas that were exonerated after they were killed making the state of Texas or whatever no better than a murderer on the streets.

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Wed 10/17/12 06:51 PM

There have been many innocents killed even in Texas that were exonerated after they were killed making the state of Texas or whatever no better than a murderer on the streets.



:cry: :cry: sad culture,,,bloodthirsty and proud,,,

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Wed 10/17/12 06:53 PM

There have been many innocents killed even in Texas that were exonerated after they were killed making the state of Texas or whatever no better than a murderer on the streets.

Many? name many.

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Wed 10/17/12 07:07 PM


again, I love that Texas death penalty.
Unless you were one of the 300 former death row inmates exonerated by DNA within the last decade. 300 people came within hours of death because the judicial system failed. What is even stranger is what were the prosucutors, judges and police doing that these men were all exonerated. Jeffrey Dahmer, killed many, he killed his victims, had sex with the bodies, cooked his victims, then eat his victims. Then was sent to prison. No death penalty. Fortunately the savage was given the death penalty by a fellow inmate. Justice was served. Some do deserve the death penalty, BUT 300 EXONERATIONS THROUGH DNA SCARES THE CRAP OUT OF ME, THAT MEANS THAT OUR JUDICIAL SYSTEM AND OUR SO CALLED CIVILIZED SOCIETY IS IN NEED OF DIVINE GUIDENCE. I sure would hate to be accused of a crime while innocent, 300? Thats alot.

300 exonerations in the last decade? are you sure?
according to this article dated Oct. 22, 2011 only 136 inmates have been freed since 1973

Texas leads the nation in the number of executed inmates with 475 since the state re-enacted its death penalty in 1974, according to the Death Penalty Information Center. Of the 136 inmates freed from the nation's death rows since 1973, 12 were from Texas, according to the center.
http://www.statesman.com/news/news/local/exonerated-death-row-inmates-urge-perry-to-end-e-1/nRgZj/

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Wed 10/17/12 07:13 PM



again, I love that Texas death penalty.
Unless you were one of the 300 former death row inmates exonerated by DNA within the last decade. 300 people came within hours of death because the judicial system failed. What is even stranger is what were the prosucutors, judges and police doing that these men were all exonerated. Jeffrey Dahmer, killed many, he killed his victims, had sex with the bodies, cooked his victims, then eat his victims. Then was sent to prison. No death penalty. Fortunately the savage was given the death penalty by a fellow inmate. Justice was served. Some do deserve the death penalty, BUT 300 EXONERATIONS THROUGH DNA SCARES THE CRAP OUT OF ME, THAT MEANS THAT OUR JUDICIAL SYSTEM AND OUR SO CALLED CIVILIZED SOCIETY IS IN NEED OF DIVINE GUIDENCE. I sure would hate to be accused of a crime while innocent, 300? Thats alot.

300 exonerations in the last decade? are you sure?
according to this article dated Oct. 22, 2011 only 136 inmates have been freed since 1973

Texas leads the nation in the number of executed inmates with 475 since the state re-enacted its death penalty in 1974, according to the Death Penalty Information Center. Of the 136 inmates freed from the nation's death rows since 1973, 12 were from Texas, according to the center.
http://www.statesman.com/news/news/local/exonerated-death-row-inmates-urge-perry-to-end-e-1/nRgZj/



I think DNA didnt start having its day in court until the eighties (With any regularity)

and I think the post is referring to all exhonnerations that came from DNA evidence, not JUST death penalty exhonnerations

thats still alot of people losing their freedom or their life for something they didnt do,,,

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Wed 10/17/12 07:13 PM



again, I love that Texas death penalty.
Unless you were one of the 300 former death row inmates exonerated by DNA within the last decade. 300 people came within hours of death because the judicial system failed. What is even stranger is what were the prosucutors, judges and police doing that these men were all exonerated. Jeffrey Dahmer, killed many, he killed his victims, had sex with the bodies, cooked his victims, then eat his victims. Then was sent to prison. No death penalty. Fortunately the savage was given the death penalty by a fellow inmate. Justice was served. Some do deserve the death penalty, BUT 300 EXONERATIONS THROUGH DNA SCARES THE CRAP OUT OF ME, THAT MEANS THAT OUR JUDICIAL SYSTEM AND OUR SO CALLED CIVILIZED SOCIETY IS IN NEED OF DIVINE GUIDENCE. I sure would hate to be accused of a crime while innocent, 300? Thats alot.

300 exonerations in the last decade? are you sure?
according to this article dated Oct. 22, 2011 only 136 inmates have been freed since 1973

Texas leads the nation in the number of executed inmates with 475 since the state re-enacted its death penalty in 1974, according to the Death Penalty Information Center. Of the 136 inmates freed from the nation's death rows since 1973, 12 were from Texas, according to the center.
http://www.statesman.com/news/news/local/exonerated-death-row-inmates-urge-perry-to-end-e-1/nRgZj/



I think DNA didnt start having its day in court until the eighties (With any regularity)

and I think the post is referring to all exhonnerations that came from DNA evidence, not JUST death penalty exhonnerations

thats still alot of people losing their freedom or their life for something they didnt do,,,

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Wed 10/17/12 07:19 PM

There have been many innocents killed even in Texas that were exonerated after they were killed making the state of Texas or whatever no better than a murderer on the streets.


You are obviously not a Texan. I am. Texans don't feel that way and that is why States have areas that belong to them. You state as fact your opinion. Your opinion means nothing in Texas.:smile:

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Wed 10/17/12 07:24 PM
300 in the last decade is high - 30 per year
with all due respect msharmony the numbers are not high

136 since 1973
136 total in 39 years - 3.48 per year
texas has executed 475 times in 39 years - 12.17 per year

i am wrong in thinking that your belief is similar to "if you aren't doing anything wrong, it doesn't matter how many rules there are"

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Wed 10/17/12 07:25 PM
Innocence Project Case Profiles

There have been 300 post-conviction DNA exonerations in United States history. These stories are becoming more familiar as more innocent people gain their freedom through postconviction testing. They are not proof, however, that our system is righting itself.

The common themes that run through these cases — from global problems like poverty and racial issues to criminal justice issues like eyewitness misidentification, invalid or improper forensic science, overzealous police and prosecutors and inept defense counsel — cannot be ignored and continue to plague our criminal justice system.


Eighteen people had been sentenced to death before DNA proved their innocence and led to their release.

The average sentence served by DNA exonerees has been 13.6 years.

About 70 percent of those exonerated by DNA testing are members of minority groups.

In almost 40 percent of DNA exoneration cases, the actual perpetrator has been identified by DNA testing.

Exonerations have been won in 35 states and Washington, D.C.


Please take a moment to review the profiles of these unique cases:

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Exonerated After Execution: 12 Men (And One Woman) Found Innocent After Being Put to Death
September 27th, 2011 - By TheEditor

By Alexis Garrett Stodghill

The execution of Troy Davis in Georgia last week despite tremendous doubt about his guilt has brought the issue of capital punishment into the national spotlight. As a country that supports use of the death penalty, America is in poor company with “the world’s great dictatorships and autocracies [such as] Iran, Zimbabwe, China, North Korea, Syria, Saudi Arabia, Libya, Egypt, Ethiopia, Cuba, [and] Belarus” according to The Atlantic — while we are supposed to be the land of the free. Far above and beyond the politically nasty associations with capital punishment is of course the moral concern over accidentally putting innocent people to death. It is likely that the average American believes this is a rare occurrence worth the social value of the death penalty as a deterrent from violent crime. Unfortunately innocent people are often placed on death row. In a study of executions in 34 states between 1973 and 1995, Columbia University professor James Liebman found that: “An astonishing 82 percent of death row inmates did not deserve to receive the death penalty. One in twenty death row inmates is later found not guilty.” Most death row inmates do not have the resources or time necessary to determine their innocence before it is too late. Hopefully, Troy Davis’ case and others like his will show U.S. citizens how the death penalty destroys innocent lives. Over 1,000 people have been executed since 1976. We may never know how many went to death in error. Here are just a few who we know for sure were likely innocent — but this was discovered too late.



Larry Griffin

Larry Griffin

Griffin was executed by lethal injection in 1995 for the 1980 murder of Quenton Moss, a drug dealer in St. Louis. Griffin was convicted and received the death sentence based mainly on the testimony of a career criminal, Robert Fitzgerald, who later admitted to committing the crime himself. Fitzgerald also stated that the police pressured him into accusing Griffin. Griffin, like Troy Davis, maintained his innocence until the end.
Read more at http://madamenoire.com/73840/exonerated-after-execution-12-men-and-one-woman-found-innocent-after-being-put-to-death/#y7ieUDTvc6jyOY8Q.99

David Wayne Spence

“Any intelligent person who takes a close and honest look at the David Wayne Spence case will see that it was a travesty,” The New York Times reported in 1997. Spence was convicted of murdering three teenagers in Texas in 1982 based on what many now believe were fabricated accounts by jail house stool pigeons eager for early release. He was executed by lethal injection, despite the fact that abundant physical evidence was found at the scene of the crime — and none of it matched Spence.
Read more at http://madamenoire.com/73840/exonerated-after-execution-12-men-and-one-woman-found-innocent-after-being-put-to-death/2/#wOz2xkfoZjimuY94.99


Leo Jones

Leo Jones

Leo Jones was convicted of murdering a police officer in Florida in 1981 and was executed in 1998. He originally confessed to the crime, but later stated that his admission was coerced — with evidence pointing to the possibility that torture was used to extract a false guilty plea. Despite the fact that over 12 people fingered another man as the killer, Jones was electrocuted despite a plea to retry his case.
Read more at http://madamenoire.com/73840/exonerated-after-execution-12-men-and-one-woman-found-innocent-after-being-put-to-death/3/#wRjJX38mky1COGkq.99


Thomas Griffin and Meeks Griffin

Tom Joyner,

Radio host Tom Joyner won pardons for these distant ancestors who were executed for a murder they didn’t commit. Thomas Griffin and Meeks Griffin were landowners who were accused of murdering an elderly Confederate veteran in 1913 based solely on the testimony of one man who was a known criminal. Joyner cleared their names in 2009.
Read more at http://madamenoire.com/73840/exonerated-after-execution-12-men-and-one-woman-found-innocent-after-being-put-to-death/4/#OOmF0v5wImVqzv0y.99


Gary Graham

Garry Graham

Graham was executed in 2000 after 19 years on death row. In a case eerily similar to that of Troy Davis, Graham’s execution was also delayed for three hours for a last-second appeal to the U.S. Supreme Court for clemency, which was denied. Despite 33 reviews of his case, Graham could not escape his sentence. Yet, the only evidence against him was the testimony of one person “who said she saw the killer’s face for a few seconds through her car windshield, from a distance of 30-40 feet away” (Deathpenaltyinfo.org). His life was taken at 36.
Read more at http://madamenoire.com/73840/exonerated-after-execution-12-men-and-one-woman-found-innocent-after-being-put-to-death/5/#g1XO3uih8zeqKZFO.99


Cameron Todd Willingham

Cameron Todd Willingham

Cameron Todd Willingham was convicted of intentionally murdering his three children through three fires he allegedly set in their home. Despite the fact that experts later testified that the original evidence of arson was incorrectly assessed, his appeals were denied. He was executed in 2004, after which his cased continued to be explored by forensics experts. These scientists have underscored that there is no evidence that Willingham committed this crime, or that the fires were .

Lena Baker

Lena Baker

Baker is the only woman to have been executed in the state of Georgia during the 20th Century. She was pardoned 60 years after her execution in 2005 by the state, who called the failure of the all white male jury to grant her clemency “a grievous error.” Baker was executed for shooting her employer in self-defense, who had evidently imprisoned her and was threatening her with death at the time of his killing. She shot him with the gun he had been attacking her with in a desperate act to save her life — hardly a murder.

Claude Jones

Claude Jones
Claude Jones was executed in 2000 after being convicted of murdering Allen Hilzendager in 1990. A career criminal operating in the state of Texas, Jones was charged with the murder despite the lone piece of DNA evidence — a hair sample — later being determined to belong to the victim and not him. Former president George W. Bush — then the governor of Texas — denied Jones a stay of execution.

Ruben Cantu

Ruben Cantu

Cantu was executed in Texas in 1993 for a 1984 murder he likely didn’t commit. In an unrelated incident, Cantu got into an altercation with an off duty police officer and shot at him — after the investigation into the crime he was eventually executed for had become stalled. In a strange twist of fate, after Cantu shot at the cop the case was re-opened with Cantu as the prime suspect. The Houston Chronicle did an investigative report essentially suggesting the strong possibility that police in the city framed Cantu in retaliation for shooting at their colleague.

Carlos DeLuna

Carlos DeLuna

Evidence that came to light in 2006 suggesting that DeLuna was executed for murder because of a case of mistaken identity. He died by lethal injection in Texas in 1989 for a 1983 stabbing that he maintains was committed by another man who he directly named, but was never investigated. The Chicago Tribune did a follow up investigation focusing on the family of the man named by the victim, Carlos Hernandez, also revealing other facts that made the prosecuting attorney question the ruling. Hernandez died in 1999, but reportedly repeatedly bragged about the fact that another man went to death row for his crimes to his relatives. Texas has executed almost a third of the people condemned to death in the United States since 1982.
Read more at http://madamenoire.com/73840/exonerated-after-execution-12-men-and-one-woman-found-innocent-after-being-put-to-death/10/#2EE0fveL60mTX0Im.99


Jesse Tafero

Jesse Tafero

Jesse Tafero was executed in 1990 for murdering a state trooper in Florida, based largely on the testimony of a man who was present at the seat of the crime and took a plea bargain to avoid a death sentence. Walter Rhodes received a life sentence for his participation in the 1976 crime and fingered Tafero — but his sentence was later overturned based on the same evidence used to send Tafero to the electric chair. Tafero’s execution was one of the most gruesome in the state’s history and played a large part in Florida moving to death by lethal injection.
Read more at http://madamenoire.com/73840/exonerated-after-execution-12-men-and-one-woman-found-innocent-after-being-put-to-death/11/#bcMRsu4Bxz4hcGeo.99


Ellis Wayne Felker

Ellis Wayne Felker

Ellis Wayne Felker was executed in 1996 for the brutal murder of a Georgia woman in 1981. During the period that he was held on death row, a box of evidence was found that included physical evidence possibly suitable for DNA testing and a signed confession from another man admitting to the crime — but it was hidden by the prosecution unlawfully during his case. Despite this, the Supreme Court of Georgia refused

Oh I get tired of doing others homework for them.huh


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Wed 10/17/12 07:27 PM


There have been many innocents killed even in Texas that were exonerated after they were killed making the state of Texas or whatever no better than a murderer on the streets.



:cry: :cry: sad culture,,,bloodthirsty and proud,,,


In the 21st chapter of the Tanakh (a.k.a. Old Testament) book of Exodus, God instructs Moses to have murderers executed. Was God bloodthirsty because He wanted murderers executed?

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Wed 10/17/12 07:28 PM
Edited by willowdraga on Wed 10/17/12 07:32 PM
It is, no matter where you are, an ignorant and barbaric show of animalistic reaction that solves nothing. Death penalty states have higher rates of murder and rape.

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Wed 10/17/12 07:31 PM
Death penalty states have higher rates of murder and rape.


Would you care to support your claim with evidence?

Also, would you care to show how having the death penalty causes more murders and rapes?

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Wed 10/17/12 07:31 PM
United States

Johnny Frank Garrett of Texas was executed for allegedly raping and murdering a nun. Evidence and testimony originally suggested that a Cuban individual was the culprit before Frank became the main suspect. The flawed case is explored in a 2008 documentary The Last Word.

Wayne Felker, a convicted rapist, is also claimed to have been an innocent victim of execution. Felker was a suspect in the disappearance of a Georgia (U.S.) woman in 1981 and was under police surveillance for two weeks prior to the woman's body being found. The autopsy was conducted by an unqualified technician, and the results were changed to show the death occurring before the surveillance had begun. After Felker's conviction, his lawyers presented testimony by forensics experts that the body could not have been dead more than three days when found. A stack of evidence was found hidden by the prosecution that hadn't been shared with the defence or presented in court, including DNA evidence that might have exonerated Felker or cast doubt on his guilt. There was also a signed confession by another suspect in the paperwork, but despite all this, Felker was executed in 1996. In 2000, his case was reopened in an attempt to make him the first executed person in the US to have DNA testing used to prove his innocence after his execution.[7]

Thomas and Meeks Griffin were executed in 1915 for the murder of a man involved in an interracial affair two years previously but were pardoned 94 years after execution. It is thought that they were arrested and charged because they were not wealthy enough to hire competent legal counsel and get an acquittal.[8]

Chipita Rodriguez was hanged in San Patricio County, Texas in 1863 for murdering a horse trader, and 122 years later, the Texas Legislature passed a resolution exonerating her.

Carlos DeLuna was executed in Texas in December 1989. Subsequent investigation cast doubt on DeLuna's culpability for the murder of which he had been convicted.[9]

A study shows that 3% of executions were "botched" in the U.S. Corrections officers watch and control the inmate before and during executions, including the tasks involved with aiding with the execution itself. Some depressed corrections officers suffer mental and physical health problems, become alcoholic, or even kill themselves, traumatized by the guilt of the wrongful or unnecessarily painful executions they administered.[1]

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Wed 10/17/12 07:34 PM

It is no matter where you are an ignorant and barbaric show of animalistic reaction that solves nothing. Death penalty states have higher rates of murder and rape.


death penalty states map (states with death penalty seem to be more populated)