Topic: Gotta love that Texas Death Penalty
willowdraga's photo
Wed 10/17/12 07:35 PM
http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/deterrence-states-without-death-penalty-have-had-consistently-lower-murder-rates

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Wed 10/17/12 07:37 PM


made your link "clickable" :thumbsup:

willowdraga's photo
Wed 10/17/12 07:38 PM
http://www.opposingviews.com/i/states-without-death-penalty-have-lower-murder-rates

Dodo_David's photo
Wed 10/17/12 07:44 PM
1. There is a difference between accepting the death penalty as a legitimate penalty for murder and accepting the execution of people who are innocent of murder. A person can be for the former but not the latter.

2. The execution of innocent people doesn't mean that all executed people are innocent.

3. An individual state can have a law that places strict evidence requirements when it comes to sentencing someone to death.

4. In the Tanakh (Old Testament) book of Exodus, execution was the punishment for murder that God required. However, God also established a way for people wrongfully accused of murder to obtain sanctuary.

Dodo_David's photo
Wed 10/17/12 07:46 PM

http://www.opposingviews.com/i/states-without-death-penalty-have-lower-murder-rates


Did it ever occur to you that states may have the death penalty in response to having higher murder rates?

Ras427's photo
Wed 10/17/12 07:52 PM



again, I love that Texas death penalty.
Unless you were one of the 300 former death row inmates exonerated by DNA within the last decade. 300 people came within hours of death because the judicial system failed. What is even stranger is what were the prosucutors, judges and police doing that these men were all exonerated. Jeffrey Dahmer, killed many, he killed his victims, had sex with the bodies, cooked his victims, then eat his victims. Then was sent to prison. No death penalty. Fortunately the savage was given the death penalty by a fellow inmate. Justice was served. Some do deserve the death penalty, BUT 300 EXONERATIONS THROUGH DNA SCARES THE CRAP OUT OF ME, THAT MEANS THAT OUR JUDICIAL SYSTEM AND OUR SO CALLED CIVILIZED SOCIETY IS IN NEED OF DIVINE GUIDENCE. I sure would hate to be accused of a crime while innocent, 300? Thats alot.

i don't care. Akiller is akiller.DNA don't lie.

Ras427's photo
Wed 10/17/12 08:01 PM



again, I love that Texas death penalty.
Unless you were one of the 300 former death row inmates exonerated by DNA within the last decade. 300 people came within hours of death because the judicial system failed. What is even stranger is what were the prosucutors, judges and police doing that these men were all exonerated. Jeffrey Dahmer, killed many, he killed his victims, had sex with the bodies, cooked his victims, then eat his victims. Then was sent to prison. No death penalty. Fortunately the savage was given the death penalty by a fellow inmate. Justice was served. Some do deserve the death penalty, BUT 300 EXONERATIONS THROUGH DNA SCARES THE CRAP OUT OF ME, THAT MEANS THAT OUR JUDICIAL SYSTEM AND OUR SO CALLED CIVILIZED SOCIETY IS IN NEED OF DIVINE GUIDENCE. I sure would hate to be accused of a crime while innocent, 300? Thats alot.

i don't care. Akiller is akiller.DNA don't lie.
Fortunately those who do care had the consciousness to question the many who were falsely convicted and cared enough to help exonerate threw DNA those falsly convicted. Damon Thibodeaux was on death row for 15 years before becoming the nations 300th exoneration in September. You dont care means that you ignore the fact that 300 exonerations means 300 prosocutors were not doing their job. Which means that if you are accused of a crime and you are innocent, does not mean you wont be found guilty. That speaks volumes of the state of our justice system. YOU SHOULD CARE.

Ras427's photo
Wed 10/17/12 08:03 PM
Edited by Ras427 on Wed 10/17/12 08:05 PM

1. There is a difference between accepting the death penalty as a legitimate penalty for murder and accepting the execution of people who are innocent of murder. A person can be for the former but not the latter.

2. The execution of innocent people doesn't mean that all executed people are innocent.

3. An individual state can have a law that places strict evidence requirements when it comes to sentencing someone to death.

4. In the Tanakh (Old Testament) book of Exodus, execution was the punishment for murder that God required. However, God also established a way for people wrongfully accused of murder to obtain sanctuary.
BS, you got gods phone number so I can ask him myself?

willowdraga's photo
Wed 10/17/12 08:11 PM


Thank youflowerforyou

Ras427's photo
Wed 10/17/12 08:13 PM

300 in the last decade is high - 30 per year
with all due respect msharmony the numbers are not high

136 since 1973
136 total in 39 years - 3.48 per year
texas has executed 475 times in 39 years - 12.17 per year

i am wrong in thinking that your belief is similar to "if you aren't doing anything wrong, it doesn't matter how many rules there are"
what is high and truly pertinent is that 300 exoneratuons mean 300+ prosocutors, asst. Prosocutors, investigators, police, detectives, sheriffs, deputies and judges along with juries were not doing the right thing if their conviction were overturned by exonerations. Thats not good under any circumstances.

Ras427's photo
Wed 10/17/12 08:29 PM

http://www.opposingviews.com/i/states-without-death-penalty-have-lower-murder-rates
now if 300 people were exonerated through DNA, imagin those who died before DNA and could not prove their innocence. Imagin how many died when it was common and exceptable for kangaroo courts towards the poor and Black. Most exonerations come about through DNA, only because the findings are conclusive scientificly and forensicly, with little human need for interpratation . But exonerations could also come from witness recanting, (in many cases this is not enough for overturning or exoneration). Police misscunduct, false confessions, and finally prosocurital witholding evidence or misconduct. Nobody has been charged for misscunduct which in many cases have been exposed, how else could one be exonerated if someone didnt either lie or commited misconduct. If 300 people were falsly convicted and came close to being executed means many were executed while innocent.

willowdraga's photo
Wed 10/17/12 08:45 PM


http://www.opposingviews.com/i/states-without-death-penalty-have-lower-murder-rates
now if 300 people were exonerated through DNA, imagin those who died before DNA and could not prove their innocence. Imagin how many died when it was common and exceptable for kangaroo courts towards the poor and Black. Most exonerations come about through DNA, only because the findings are conclusive scientificly and forensicly, with little human need for interpratation . But exonerations could also come from witness recanting, (in many cases this is not enough for overturning or exoneration). Police misscunduct, false confessions, and finally prosocurital witholding evidence or misconduct. Nobody has been charged for misscunduct which in many cases have been exposed, how else could one be exonerated if someone didnt either lie or commited misconduct. If 300 people were falsly convicted and came close to being executed means many were executed while innocent.


And one innocent person killed by the state makes the state no better than the murderers they claim to hate.

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Wed 10/17/12 09:00 PM
The death penalty represents human failure: failure of the killer to be properly socialized, and failure of the public to find a better way to deal with such people. In the minds of many there is no better way to deal with a murderer.

I suspect that what motivates many killers and juries is fear, and fear is usually a poor and dangerous motivation. Still, humans are animals with animal instincts, so killing one who has also killed isn't an unexpected action, just a regrettable one.

Dodo_David's photo
Wed 10/17/12 09:59 PM


1. There is a difference between accepting the death penalty as a legitimate penalty for murder and accepting the execution of people who are innocent of murder. A person can be for the former but not the latter.

2. The execution of innocent people doesn't mean that all executed people are innocent.

3. An individual state can have a law that places strict evidence requirements when it comes to sentencing someone to death.

4. In the Tanakh (Old Testament) book of Exodus, execution was the punishment for murder that God required. However, God also established a way for people wrongfully accused of murder to obtain sanctuary.
BS, you got gods phone number so I can ask him myself?

I cited the Tanakh (a.k.a Old Testament) book of Exodus. I am sure that you are capable of reading it. The penalty for murder is mentioned in chapter 21. The sanctuary cities are mentioned in various places throughout the Tanakh.

Ras427's photo
Wed 10/17/12 10:08 PM
Edited by Ras427 on Wed 10/17/12 10:12 PM



1. There is a difference between accepting the death penalty as a legitimate penalty for murder and accepting the execution of people who are innocent of murder. A person can be for the former but not the latter.

2. The execution of innocent people doesn't mean that all executed people are innocent.

3. An individual state can have a law that places strict evidence requirements when it comes to sentencing someone to death.

4. In the Tanakh (Old Testament) book of Exodus, execution was the punishment for murder that God required. However, God also established a way for people wrongfully accused of murder to obtain sanctuary.
BS, you got gods phone number so I can ask him myself?

I cited the Tanakh (a.k.a Old Testament) book of Exodus. I am sure that you are capable of reading it. The penalty for murder is mentioned in chapter 21. The sanctuary cities are mentioned in various places throughout the Tanakh.
The punishment for murder is not in question, what is in question is how the law is conducted by a flawed system and the executing the innocent. If 300 men were exonerated, that means that you have violated this socalled gods law. The old testament is not universal law. God didnt say any such thing, if you think he did, call him right now. If 300 men were falsly convicted, then exonerated through DNA, that means that the Tanakh laws are absolete in that 300 false conviction and the many unknown executions of innocent people, clearly suggests the complete hypocracy and ignoring such laws.

Ras427's photo
Wed 10/17/12 10:15 PM



1. There is a difference between accepting the death penalty as a legitimate penalty for murder and accepting the execution of people who are innocent of murder. A person can be for the former but not the latter.

2. The execution of innocent people doesn't mean that all executed people are innocent.

3. An individual state can have a law that places strict evidence requirements when it comes to sentencing someone to death.

4. In the Tanakh (Old Testament) book of Exodus, execution was the punishment for murder that God required. However, God also established a way for people wrongfully accused of murder to obtain sanctuary.
BS, you got gods phone number so I can ask him myself?

I cited the Tanakh (a.k.a Old Testament) book of Exodus. I am sure that you are capable of reading it. The penalty for murder is mentioned in chapter 21. The sanctuary cities are mentioned in various places throughout the Tanakh.
this Tanakh does not say execute the innocent.

Dodo_David's photo
Wed 10/17/12 10:20 PM




1. There is a difference between accepting the death penalty as a legitimate penalty for murder and accepting the execution of people who are innocent of murder. A person can be for the former but not the latter.

2. The execution of innocent people doesn't mean that all executed people are innocent.

3. An individual state can have a law that places strict evidence requirements when it comes to sentencing someone to death.

4. In the Tanakh (Old Testament) book of Exodus, execution was the punishment for murder that God required. However, God also established a way for people wrongfully accused of murder to obtain sanctuary.
BS, you got gods phone number so I can ask him myself?

I cited the Tanakh (a.k.a Old Testament) book of Exodus. I am sure that you are capable of reading it. The penalty for murder is mentioned in chapter 21. The sanctuary cities are mentioned in various places throughout the Tanakh.
The punishment for murder is not in question, what is in question is how the law is conducted by a flawed system and the executing the innocent. If 300 men were exonerated, that means that you have violated this socalled gods law. The old testament is not universal law. God didnt say any such thing, if you think he did, call him right now. If 300 men were falsly convicted, then exonerated through DNA, that means that the Tanakh laws are absolete in that 300 false conviction and the many unknown executions of innocent people, clearly suggests the complete hypocracy and ignoring such laws.


Uh, did you read carefully what I have written? I said that in the Tanakh (Old Testament), sanctuary cities were established to help people wrongfully accused of murder. The fact the an innocent person could be executed was openly acknowledged, and the sanctuary cities were set up to help prevent the execution of innocent people.

I mentioned what is recorded in the Tanakh just to explain why some people are not opposed to the execution of murderers.

Ras427's photo
Wed 10/17/12 10:45 PM





1. There is a difference between accepting the death penalty as a legitimate penalty for murder and accepting the execution of people who are innocent of murder. A person can be for the former but not the latter.

2. The execution of innocent people doesn't mean that all executed people are innocent.

3. An individual state can have a law that places strict evidence requirements when it comes to sentencing someone to death.

4. In the Tanakh (Old Testament) book of Exodus, execution was the punishment for murder that God required. However, God also established a way for people wrongfully accused of murder to obtain sanctuary.
BS, you got gods phone number so I can ask him myself?

I cited the Tanakh (a.k.a Old Testament) book of Exodus. I am sure that you are capable of reading it. The penalty for murder is mentioned in chapter 21. The sanctuary cities are mentioned in various places throughout the Tanakh.
The punishment for murder is not in question, what is in question is how the law is conducted by a flawed system and the executing the innocent. If 300 men were exonerated, that means that you have violated this socalled gods law. The old testament is not universal law. God didnt say any such thi ng, if you think he did, call him right now. If 300 men were falsly convicted, then exonerated through DNA, that means that the Tanakh laws are absolete in that 300 false conviction and the many unknown executions of innocent people, clearly suggests the complete hypocracy and ignoring such laws.


Uh, did you read carefully what I have written? I said that in the Tanakh (Old Testament), sanctuary cities were established to help people wrongfully accused of murder. The fact the an innocent person could be executed was openly acknowledged, and the sanctuary cities were set up to help prevent the execution of innocent people.

I mentioned what is recorded in the Tanakh just to explain why some people are not opposed to the execution of murderers.
Understood, however, what define Biblical, Quranic or Torahnic law is not the law itself nor the mechanics therewithin to protect the innocent, what insures it is rightous consciousness, the laws did not prevent the murders of millions nor the other unrightouse acts commited, as a Christian nation we have failed dispite these laws of guidence. The people are not opposed to the execution of murders not because of said laws, if that is the case, there never would have been lynchings, castrations burnings nor complete genocide of thousands at the hands of those who profess submission to such laws. We are not opposed because we have lost consciousnes. We are not opposed because our very phycic is totally contrary to laws of the injhil (Bible). To NOT be opposed to executing murderers has nothing to do with Biblical law, it has everything to do with the complete opposite, our history bare witness to this fact.

msharmony's photo
Wed 10/17/12 11:52 PM
the only rejoice in death is in knowing the soul goes on to a better place than the unforgiving world,,,,,



willing2's photo
Thu 10/18/12 05:19 AM
Our justice system is pretty damned good.

We will be, er, could be under Shariah Law where the death penalty is often administered without a trial.