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Topic: Can mary save?
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Sat 12/08/12 06:09 AM



And sure it speaks of Mary conceiving without sperm, without sex, without anything but the will of God. BEFORE her and Joseph "came together", or in other words, while she was still a virgin.


Matthew 1:18
18 Now the birth of Jesus Christ was on this wise: When as his mother Mary was espoused to Joseph, before they came together, she was found with child of the Holy Ghost.


Cowboy ...that passage states that Joseph didn't have sex with Mary..but do make it clear that The Holy Spirit had sex with Mary by pointing out the fact that the Holy Spirit is the Father of Jesus thereby making Jesus a bastard child ....because his Father was not married to his Mother

sure is a lot of sinning going on

providing another reason why Mary shouldn't be worshipped






Please show where the word "sex" is used, or "mated" or anything along those lines. Do you have a fetish with always thinking about sex or something Funches? No where in that verse, or any other verse of this refers to "sex".

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Sat 12/08/12 06:11 AM



Cowboy..explain why requiring Women to remain silent in church is a sign of respecting them


Because church is where people go to learn and or teach eg., "preacher". Well since God set the man as the head of the house, why would he then have woman teach?


wow


Men in general, just the natural feature, are generally more aggressive and or well abrupt. They speak and or act with more force then women most usually. So therefore, he has the man teach.


oh my godddddddddddddd ....oops...er... I meant WTF?


Has nothing to do with being "sexist". Women have privalages men can't do as well. And so forth. Different rules/laws for different groups of people.


Cowboy...this post clearly proves that you are a "religious sexist"

I can see that you would never vote in a woman for Pope ..God created that to be a Man's Job



How is that any way shape or form "sexist". I did not put down women, I did not say anything negative about women. Just on the natural level, women are more soft and gentle. Yes in this society these days women are a bit more stern or whatever word you wish to use there. But on the natural level, they are the loving ones, the tender ones. So again, where is the "sexist" comments?

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Sat 12/08/12 06:13 AM


Gabriel couldn't possibly be the Holy Spirit. Gabriel is God's angel.

And what difference does it make you ask? Lol Funches, you do realize when a word is capitalized it is referring to a proper noun right?


do you believe that more than one Spirit exist?

do you have a spirit?...so are you Cowboy The Holy Spirit

as I stated...if it doesn't states that it's "The Holy Spirit" ...then you shouldn't state that it is ...those that resort to doing that is trying to re-write the bible to fit their point of view


Only one "Spirit" exists, but many "spirits" exist. Again "Spirit" being capitalized is referring to a specific being, it is the title/name used to refer to the entity in question.

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Sat 12/08/12 09:25 AM

Please show where the word "sex" is used, or "mated" or anything along those lines. Do you have a fetish with always thinking about sex or something Funches? No where in that verse, or any other verse of this refers to "sex".


a woman can not conceived without some form of sex...it's time to grown up and stop believing that women get pregnant magically ...


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Sat 12/08/12 09:33 AM




Cowboy..explain why requiring Women to remain silent in church is a sign of respecting them


Because church is where people go to learn and or teach eg., "preacher". Well since God set the man as the head of the house, why would he then have woman teach?


wow


Men in general, just the natural feature, are generally more aggressive and or well abrupt. They speak and or act with more force then women most usually. So therefore, he has the man teach.


oh my godddddddddddddd ....oops...er... I meant WTF?


Has nothing to do with being "sexist". Women have privalages men can't do as well. And so forth. Different rules/laws for different groups of people.


Cowboy...this post clearly proves that you are a "religious sexist"

I can see that you would never vote in a woman for Pope ..God created that to be a Man's Job



How is that any way shape or form "sexist". I did not put down women, I did not say anything negative about women. Just on the natural level, women are more soft and gentle. Yes in this society these days women are a bit more stern or whatever word you wish to use there. But on the natural level, they are the loving ones, the tender ones. So again, where is the "sexist" comments?


you keep making remarks that women are soft and gentle or not forceful enough and therefore that is why they should remain silent and shouldn't have the right to teach Men

the scary part is that you don't veiw this as being sexist



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Sat 12/08/12 02:46 PM


Please show where the word "sex" is used, or "mated" or anything along those lines. Do you have a fetish with always thinking about sex or something Funches? No where in that verse, or any other verse of this refers to "sex".


a woman can not conceived without some form of sex...it's time to grown up and stop believing that women get pregnant magically ...




Nobody got pregnant "magically". With God all things are possible.

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Sat 12/08/12 02:51 PM





Cowboy..explain why requiring Women to remain silent in church is a sign of respecting them


Because church is where people go to learn and or teach eg., "preacher". Well since God set the man as the head of the house, why would he then have woman teach?


wow


Men in general, just the natural feature, are generally more aggressive and or well abrupt. They speak and or act with more force then women most usually. So therefore, he has the man teach.


oh my godddddddddddddd ....oops...er... I meant WTF?


Has nothing to do with being "sexist". Women have privalages men can't do as well. And so forth. Different rules/laws for different groups of people.


Cowboy...this post clearly proves that you are a "religious sexist"

I can see that you would never vote in a woman for Pope ..God created that to be a Man's Job



How is that any way shape or form "sexist". I did not put down women, I did not say anything negative about women. Just on the natural level, women are more soft and gentle. Yes in this society these days women are a bit more stern or whatever word you wish to use there. But on the natural level, they are the loving ones, the tender ones. So again, where is the "sexist" comments?


you keep making remarks that women are soft and gentle or not forceful enough and therefore that is why they should remain silent and shouldn't have the right to teach Men

the scary part is that you don't veiw this as being sexist





Who was talking about "teaching" someone? You're taking this out of context like you always do. Just the term "teaching" is very broad, and we're not speaking of specifically "teaching" in that broad of a sense. Women make great teachers eg., in the schools. They are again, tender, gentle, patient, loving, caring, and so on. So that is good for a young child's growth.

God set it up this way, because there needs to be some form of structure. So he did it this way, so what? If he would have done it with reverse rolls someone such as yourself in the other gender would be making the same remarks.

If there is no "structure", we would all just run around like chickens with their heads cut off. Spouses would argue/disagree on most everything and nothing constructive would get done. It's not about whom can do what better, just it is set up that way so there is some form of direction and structure. Again, that's not saying men are greater, better, smarter, or anything then women. Just again needs some form of structure, and that is the structure God wished.

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Sat 12/08/12 06:35 PM
she is honored and revered and from her we receive grace, however, Thou Shall Have No God Before Me sayeth the Lord

she is not "worshipped"


her memory is prayed to for grace and rosaries for grace "Holy Mary Mother of Grace"

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Sat 12/08/12 06:37 PM



Please show where the word "sex" is used, or "mated" or anything along those lines. Do you have a fetish with always thinking about sex or something Funches? No where in that verse, or any other verse of this refers to "sex".


a woman can not conceived without some form of sex...it's time to grown up and stop believing that women get pregnant magically ...




Nobody got pregnant "magically". With God all things are possible.


I lean toward blaming on that scoundrel the Angel Gabriel

(teasing):wink:

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Sat 12/08/12 07:08 PM

she is honored and revered and from her we receive grace, however, Thou Shall Have No God Before Me sayeth the Lord

she is not "worshipped"


her memory is prayed to for grace and rosaries for grace "Holy Mary Mother of Grace"


How do we receive grace from Marry? Marry is a mere mortal, that God thought to be a good woman. And is why she carried Jesus. But nevertheless Marry is a mere mortal just as you or I. Now please do explain how Marry can give "grace". And then show where you got this information please.

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Sat 12/08/12 08:04 PM
Edited by sweetestgirl11 on Sat 12/08/12 08:09 PM


she is honored and revered and from her we receive grace, however, Thou Shall Have No God Before Me sayeth the Lord

she is not "worshipped"


her memory is prayed to for grace and rosaries for grace "Holy Mary Mother of Grace"


How do we receive grace from Marry? Marry is a mere mortal, that God thought to be a good woman. And is why she carried Jesus. But nevertheless Marry is a mere mortal just as you or I. Now please do explain how Marry can give "grace". And then show where you got this information please.


it is from memory. I do not know how Mary gives grace, she is the Holy Mother of Jesus I suppose she can give whatever she pleases. My thought is that it is her memory and her role as Holy Mother that fills us with grace when we honor her and seek her blessing. Does she actually bless us? I have no idea. I do not seek proof of what is felt in the heart. At times I have felt that it is our own blessing and grace that we earn simply in the act of honor and respect, in truth I am otherwise unenlightened.

I suppose if I found a Catechism somewhere that might explain it better

I am simply sharing what I learned and believe I have no desire intent nor duty to prove anything. if that is important to you, you may wish to follow up on your questions with your own scholarship.

tho I always enjoy your comments when I read them

namasteflowerforyou

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Sun 12/09/12 05:28 AM



Please show where the word "sex" is used, or "mated" or anything along those lines. Do you have a fetish with always thinking about sex or something Funches? No where in that verse, or any other verse of this refers to "sex".


a woman can not conceived without some form of sex...it's time to grown up and stop believing that women get pregnant magically ...




Nobody got pregnant "magically". With God all things are possible.


if all things are possible with God...then that would mean that he can make things happen magically?

if Mary conceived with no form of sex...then it's magical.....or Joseph accidently left some sperm in the bath water


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Sun 12/09/12 05:43 AM
Edited by funches on Sun 12/09/12 05:44 AM

Who was talking about "teaching" someone? You're taking this out of context like you always do.


Cowboy...wasn't the conversation about why women should remain silent in church and not have the authority to teach Men? .....

you even commented why Men should teach and why women shouldn't

so try to stay focus thank you very much


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Sun 12/09/12 05:55 AM




Please show where the word "sex" is used, or "mated" or anything along those lines. Do you have a fetish with always thinking about sex or something Funches? No where in that verse, or any other verse of this refers to "sex".


a woman can not conceived without some form of sex...it's time to grown up and stop believing that women get pregnant magically ...




Nobody got pregnant "magically". With God all things are possible.


I lean toward blaming on that scoundrel the Angel Gabriel

(teasing):wink:


may have to start a thread called...who is Mary's baby's daddy?



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Sun 12/09/12 06:49 AM
Edited by CowboyGH on Sun 12/09/12 06:50 AM


Who was talking about "teaching" someone? You're taking this out of context like you always do.


Cowboy...wasn't the conversation about why women should remain silent in church and not have the authority to teach Men? .....

you even commented why Men should teach and why women shouldn't

so try to stay focus thank you very much




I am focused, I NEVER women SHOULDN'T teach. Heck, everyone but the preacher should remain silent.

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Sun 12/09/12 06:53 AM




Please show where the word "sex" is used, or "mated" or anything along those lines. Do you have a fetish with always thinking about sex or something Funches? No where in that verse, or any other verse of this refers to "sex".


a woman can not conceived without some form of sex...it's time to grown up and stop believing that women get pregnant magically ...




Nobody got pregnant "magically". With God all things are possible.


if all things are possible with God...then that would mean that he can make things happen magically?

if Mary conceived with no form of sex...then it's magical.....or Joseph accidently left some sperm in the bath water





"Can make things happen magically"?

What are you talking about Funches. There is no magic, just he can do anything and everything at his will.

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Sun 12/09/12 10:16 AM



Who was talking about "teaching" someone? You're taking this out of context like you always do.


Cowboy...wasn't the conversation about why women should remain silent in church and not have the authority to teach Men? .....

you even commented why Men should teach and why women shouldn't

so try to stay focus thank you very much




I am focused, I NEVER women SHOULDN'T teach. Heck, everyone but the preacher should remain silent.


you keep "agnostically" trying to play both sides...so yes or no... are you now saying that the bible is wrong and that women should not remain silent in Church and should teach Men?

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Sun 12/09/12 10:43 AM





Please show where the word "sex" is used, or "mated" or anything along those lines. Do you have a fetish with always thinking about sex or something Funches? No where in that verse, or any other verse of this refers to "sex".


a woman can not conceived without some form of sex...it's time to grown up and stop believing that women get pregnant magically ...




Nobody got pregnant "magically". With God all things are possible.


if all things are possible with God...then that would mean that he can make things happen magically?

if Mary conceived with no form of sex...then it's magical.....or Joseph accidently left some sperm in the bath water





"Can make things happen magically"?

What are you talking about Funches. There is no magic, just he can do anything and everything at his will.


"What "Will"?...the bible makes it clear that it was The Holy Spirit that went inside Mary and caused her to conceive ..

so if the holy spirit didn't use Sperm as you claim ...then all that is left is Magic ...

unless of course if you can come up with another explanation as to how mary became pregnant other than Magic

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Sun 12/09/12 11:02 AM




Who was talking about "teaching" someone? You're taking this out of context like you always do.


Cowboy...wasn't the conversation about why women should remain silent in church and not have the authority to teach Men? .....

you even commented why Men should teach and why women shouldn't

so try to stay focus thank you very much




I am focused, I NEVER women SHOULDN'T teach. Heck, everyone but the preacher should remain silent.


you keep "agnostically" trying to play both sides...so yes or no... are you now saying that the bible is wrong and that women should not remain silent in Church and should teach Men?


EVERYONE but the preacher is to remain silent in church. And if a woman is called to preach, then yes she should preach. All this started out from speaking of the "family" structure, why do you take things way out of context? Man is the head of the FAMILY.

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Sun 12/09/12 11:05 AM






Please show where the word "sex" is used, or "mated" or anything along those lines. Do you have a fetish with always thinking about sex or something Funches? No where in that verse, or any other verse of this refers to "sex".


a woman can not conceived without some form of sex...it's time to grown up and stop believing that women get pregnant magically ...




Nobody got pregnant "magically". With God all things are possible.


if all things are possible with God...then that would mean that he can make things happen magically?

if Mary conceived with no form of sex...then it's magical.....or Joseph accidently left some sperm in the bath water





"Can make things happen magically"?

What are you talking about Funches. There is no magic, just he can do anything and everything at his will.


"What "Will"?...the bible makes it clear that it was The Holy Spirit that went inside Mary and caused her to conceive ..

so if the holy spirit didn't use Sperm as you claim ...then all that is left is Magic ...

unless of course if you can come up with another explanation as to how mary became pregnant other than Magic


I've said it already, you just ignore what people say, go on with other discussions taking things out of context. Then speak as if it wasn't said.

Marry was pregnant WITH the Holy Spirit. She was found with child OF the Holy Spirit. Not found with child FROM the Holy Spirit, but OF the Holy Spirit.

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