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Topic: do you have an open mind
Dodo_David Joined Fri 08/13/10 Posts: 48926	Thu 02/28/13 06:18 PM
If I recall correctly, a man in Pakistan also claimed to be able to use just water to run an automobile engine. However, he wouldn't submit his alleged technology to a testing facility that was independent of him. The idea of obtaining cheap energy from water isn't a new idea. It was part of the plot of the movie Chain Reaction. However, the idea hasn't born any fruit in real life.

1Cynderella Joined Mon 02/18/13 Posts: 2398	Thu 02/28/13 10:05 PM
If I recall correctly, a man in Pakistan also claimed to be able to use just water to run an automobile engine. However, he wouldn't submit his alleged technology to a testing facility that was independent of him. The idea of obtaining cheap energy from water isn't a new idea. It was part of the plot of the movie Chain Reaction. However, the idea hasn't born any fruit in real life. Maybe that was HIM, Urdu is his first language and he has finally decided to release his discovery right here on Mingle!

Conrad_73 Joined Sat 09/29/07 Posts: 22488	Fri 03/01/13 12:04 AM
"Now,CTs get cracking! The Man died suddenly! " That's almost predictable. Stanley Meyer died suddenly on March 21, 1998 after dining at a restaurant. An autopsy report by the Franklin County, Ohio coroner concluded that Meyer had died of a cerebral aneurysm. Conspiracy theorists insist that he was poisoned to suppress the technology, and that oil companies and the United States government were involved in his death. Note: I had heard about a guy that actually was driving a car around that ran on water years back who suddenly died. I wonder if that was him. actually only he knew what it ran on! It definitely NOT on water! How can you be so sure? Stan forgot to install the Metal-Hydride-Tanks in the Demo-Vehicles he sent to his Dealer!

Bushidobillyclub Joined Fri 05/11/07 Posts: 5689	Fri 03/01/13 05:49 AM Edited by Bushidobillyclub on Fri 03/01/13 05:53 AM
If water will be substituted whats the waste product? The water fuel cell is a purported free energy device invented by American Stanley Allen Meyer (August 24, 1940 – March 21, 1998). He claimed that an automobile retrofitted with the device could use water as fuel instead of gasoline. The fuel cell purportedly split water into its component elements, hydrogen and oxygen. The hydrogen was then burned to generate energy, a process that reconstituted the water molecules. According to Meyer, the device required less energy to perform electrolysis than the minimum energy requirement predicted or measured by conventional science.[1] If the device worked as specified, it would violate both the first and second laws of thermodynamics,[1][2] allowing operation as a perpetual motion machine.[2] Meyer's claims about his "Water Fuel Cell" and the car that it powered were found to be fraudulent by an Ohio court in 1996.[1][3] Thats the problem, the claim is that it has no waste, that it is more than 100% efficient.

rynn1962 Joined Mon 02/04/13 Posts: 143	Fri 03/01/13 10:58 AM
gee tks

rynn1962 Joined Mon 02/04/13 Posts: 143	Fri 03/01/13 10:59 AM
no no no

rynn1962 Joined Mon 02/04/13 Posts: 143	Fri 03/01/13 11:00 AM
no started with S1R9A9M9

rynn1962 Joined Mon 02/04/13 Posts: 143	Fri 03/01/13 11:01 AM
SO READ PAST IT

rynn1962 Joined Mon 02/04/13 Posts: 143	Fri 03/01/13 11:02 AM
well i see there is interest i will be expounding remember folks we usta live in caves and stare at the moon thank you for showing me again why people are so valuable

mightymoe Joined Sun 11/19/06 Posts: 37362	Fri 03/01/13 11:08 AM
did i miss something? i didn't see where you posted wth your talking about...

rynn1962 Joined Mon 02/04/13 Posts: 143	Sat 03/02/13 10:29 AM
ok i see now where i messed up havta hit quote or something yup not great at this but insults dont bother me nor do i care much for grammer rules anyway i do not wish to "crack" water outside of engine i wish to introduce an unknown amount of water vapour into engine and use an electrical charge to produce enough hydrogen/oxygen to convert remaining water vapour to steam if i am not "stupid" the normal engine compresses and then ignites a combustible mixture which expands rapidly exerting a force on piston.....note i still type looking at keyboard so spelling is spotty oh well......if anyone can prove me wrong i welcome the new knowledge.....also hydrogen is explosive,,,oxygen improves combustion,,and water expands approx 270 times when converting to vapour.....i again may be stupid but given these few facts i cannot see how the basic premise is unsound if you plz using reason and fact vs ignorance and insults tell me where i am going wrong....now that i have used up 25 of my 60 mins i am going to try to reply to threads? after that i dont get to see again till monday have a nice weekend

rynn1962 Joined Mon 02/04/13 Posts: 143	Sat 03/02/13 10:33 AM
post a link to what your talking about [ do not have enough time to post link ok i dont know how plz google water powered el camino should get to either globalspec.com or greenoptimistic.com also of interest is adam crawford who reportedly was granted patent in scotland for this method k lets see if that works/quote]

rynn1962 Joined Mon 02/04/13 Posts: 143	Sat 03/02/13 10:54 AM
nope that didnt work either back to looking stupid i guess plz note i am not claiming to be able to do this i am only stating that the facts support the theory i am familiar with producing h2/o with electricity as a waste of time i took 2 pcs of stainless steel separated them with plastic spacers 1/4 inch apart put them in a PLASTIC peanut butter jar hooked it up to the alternater in my car and ran a hose to a vacumn port ..it did produce h2/o but nowhere near enuff to make difference,...the next stupid thing i did was to take a 12 volt battery connect jumper cables and struck an arc in again plastic jar --not much -several small bb sized bubbles,,,,,{trying to make up for lack of punctuation ha ha ha } so next i tried 2-12v batts in series foe 24 volts ahhh much better produced orange sized bubble that stank of sulfer...i did not try 36 volt because i wished to gain knowledge of exponential gain in h2/o production....note also this is dc not ac..i do not have link but is paper?? written describing effect of hertz on h2/o prodution where it is stated that increasing hertz exponentially increases production...ya i know repetitive oh well....so i intend to locate another mid 70's alternator from lincoln with heated windshield option .,,this alt has 120 volt output as well as 12v,,,the man who started this theory online-s1r9a9m9 stated he used an inverter for 120/110 ,,he also ran a switching coil from old aircraft fuel system to separate 120 from ignition coil.there is website somewhere used to be called waterpoweredcars.com that has schematic for diode system to replace switching coil.. 8 min left will resume on monday lib closed sunday

rynn1962 Joined Mon 02/04/13 Posts: 143	Sat 03/02/13 10:59 AM
You really need to get a life. [ i would love a life where insults dont replace intelligence ..till then feel free to demonstrate your lack of manners and respect i /quote]

Winlei Joined Sat 01/26/13 Posts: 4048	Sat 03/02/13 05:25 PM
i am familiar with producing h2/o with electricity as a waste of time i took 2 pcs of stainless steel separated them with plastic spacers 1/4 inch apart put them in a PLASTIC peanut butter jar hooked it up to the alternater in my car and ran a hose to a vacumn port ..it did produce h2/o but nowhere near enuff to make difference,... Why not do the other way. Instead of producing you are going to convert water to electricity.

Winlei Joined Sat 01/26/13 Posts: 4048	Sat 03/02/13 05:43 PM
ok i see now where i messed up havta hit quote or something yup not great at this but insults dont bother me nor do i care much for grammer rules anyway i do not wish to "crack" water outside of engine i wish to introduce an unknown amount of water vapour into engine and use an electrical charge to produce enough hydrogen/oxygen to convert remaining water vapour to steam if i am not "stupid" the normal engine compresses and then ignites a combustible mixture which expands rapidly exerting a force on piston.....note i still type looking at keyboard so spelling is spotty oh well......if anyone can prove me wrong i welcome the new knowledge.....also hydrogen is explosive,,,oxygen improves combustion,,and water expands approx 270 times when converting to vapour..... If you crack it inside the vihicle you need a large amount of water. If you still do not know how much unknown vapour can generate the engine then better perform it first outside.

rynn1962 Joined Mon 02/04/13 Posts: 143	Mon 03/04/13 12:01 PM
i am familiar with producing h2/o with electricity as a waste of time i took 2 pcs of stainless steel separated them with plastic spacers 1/4 inch apart put them in a PLASTIC peanut butter jar hooked it up to the alternater in my car and ran a hose to a vacumn port ..it did produce h2/o but nowhere near enuff to make difference,... Why not do the other way. Instead of producing you are going to convert water to electricity. tk u 4 reply i do not understand convert water to elec i am under the impression that combining hyd an ox in cell will create elec but i do not wish to run elec car my theory depends on adjusting hertz rate to increase production increasing rpm on unfetered ac alternator should work most gen sets need to run at 3640? or so to achieve balance of volt and hertz i think 50 hrtz america 60 -europe auto alt runs at about 3 times speed of engine so up to 15000 rpm again theory as a note since noone has corrected me on my base theory i will assume i am correct vs no one smart enough to know better as a further note i do commend you on your willingness to question history and science vs dismissing the unknown and sticking to what we are told am somewhat surprised by lack of interest in new thinking ???? i cannot see the impossibility of this idea and have asked for critique i suppose maybe i should take to ridicule better oh well will research more facts from library tks again

Winlei Joined Sat 01/26/13 Posts: 4048	Mon 03/04/13 12:59 PM
We hav vihicle here tht is run in water butcits not as fast as the run in fuel besides it will take you alot of water because as we all knew water evaporates easily.

Bushidobillyclub Joined Fri 05/11/07 Posts: 5689	Tue 03/05/13 08:04 AM
Hydrogen as a fuel is an excellent idea, however trying to produce hydrogen on demand is tricky. If however instead of using hydrogen for combustion you can also use it to create current for use in electrical motors. Fuel cell. Honestly what has been presented sounds like word soup. Cant make heads or tales, he seems to be saying that hydrogen would be created, but then talks about expanding steam, then goes on to talk about electrochemical energy conversion such as used in fuel cells. Dono, sounds like someone having a go at playing at science without any of the long hard work to actually learn the basics.

massagetrade Joined Thu 02/22/07 Posts: 8505	Tue 03/05/13 11:53 AM
I think what he is saying is this: (a) Use a battery to split the water. (b) Use the H2 produced to drive a car - using a typical ICE approach. I seriously doubt that gaseous H2 makes a good fuel for ICEs, though we know we can use to make electricity in a fuel cell. But using an on-board battery to split water to use the H2 to power a car is totally ****ing stupid. If you are going to have an on-board battery, its much smarter to just make it simpler and lighter and go pure electric. Or if you are going to use H2 from electrolysis, then split the hydrogen off somewhere else. Or if you really want the H2 to be produced on board, don't use water! Use methane or something with extra energy to give up.