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Sorry, this is double post and it won't let me delete it.
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you asked what about those that dont get the chance to escape,,,they get a chance to seek God,, they get a chance to be reborn, they suffer and it is always an awful thing in the flesh to suffer physically or mentally or emotionally BUT that is the consequence of giving EVERYONE free will, the other option would be just to control everyones actions and words, to have in effect a species of robots we are free humans and as HUMANS we choose to do terrible things to each other,,,,and sometimes its easy to blame he who created us instead of taking on the self accountability,,, Should the person that got kidnapped and raped for over a decade take on the "self-accountability". Get serious, someone in that situation most likely stops believing in any form of god after the first year or so. no, humans take accountability that we become and produce the types of personalities that can DO those things to others,,, the child doesnt have accountability,, but they do exist as humans amongst humans and all the RISKS that come with the human beings free will,,,, and Im sure many stop believing when such terrible things happen,,but it rains on the just and the unjust alike we are connected, and that connection sometimes rains down the consequences of our HUMAN wrongs on humans that are trying to do right,,,, I'm sorry but if you're not brainwashed idk what else to call it. If a god really does exist he has one f*cked up sense of humor and would be more likely to burn us with a giant magnifying glass like ants than to let us into the "kingdom of heaven". brainwashed into believing HUMANS are responsible for what they do to each other,,,,???? fine, guilty as charged,,, They are, lol, that's hardly the point I'm arguing, but a god as we currently "know" god to be, cannot exist under these circumstances, there's just too many contradictions in the bible. why cant he exist 'under these circumstances'? |
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All I can say that it's personal between the two of you. Religion Is Religion. If you are seek to justify what's in the world than you're going about it the wrong way! You aren't going to understand until you receive His Spirit. No one will! If you are hungry for the truth Seek HIM out! No one can really tell you Who He is or How he is...you have to experience Him! His words won't mean anything to you or be even be able to comprehend! Again you want answers You have to put aside everything that you have built up ...and let heart do the talking and seeking...that's all I can say! As far as the world Goes and it views and religion even I don't understand it either. It's cold, deadly, ruthless, heart stopping and oppressive ...He's SOOoOooOo Beyond what the world teaches and speaks of! I love Him so much sometimes it hurts...In a good way! Just to let you know ...I was near death ready to take my life and spoke to me! My heart cried out so Loud and he heard me came to me. I don't know what I'd do without Him...It's about you and Him together a Relationship THAT NO ONE can TOUCH! Put aside you anger and seek HIM Out...Yes the best way to get the answers you need! Sorry man, his words don't mean anything more to me than the words of the woman that wrote the harry potter book. Because that's the only "proof" that a god exists, is the fairy tail words written in a book. YOu really didn't get what I was saying...it's not just about His words alone!!! IT's about your heart and his,spirit and soul, Not just words! It Goes way beyond what you are thinking ... You must be willing that's all I can say! You don't seem to want that change, the truth... Good Luck in your search...Be blessed and well love by Yahushua! |
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They are, lol, that's hardly the point I'm arguing, but a god as we currently "know" god to be, cannot exist under these circumstances, there's just too many contradictions in the bible. why cant he exist 'under these circumstances'? God cares, he loves, blah blah, and yet he sits up on a cloud watching us do horrid things to each-other like a pervert over a snuff film. For a man to have so much power and do nothing, how can anyone respect such a being, I certainly don't. If he was so all powerful and all knowing, then he would not make himself look like such an A$$hole. |
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They are, lol, that's hardly the point I'm arguing, but a god as we currently "know" god to be, cannot exist under these circumstances, there's just too many contradictions in the bible. why cant he exist 'under these circumstances'? God cares, he loves, blah blah, and yet he sits up on a cloud watching us do horrid things to each-other like a pervert over a snuff film. For a man to have so much power and do nothing, how can anyone respect such a being, I certainly don't. If he was so all powerful and all knowing, then he would not make himself look like such an A$$hole. The problem is you. |
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All I can say that it's personal between the two of you. Religion Is Religion. If you are seek to justify what's in the world than you're going about it the wrong way! You aren't going to understand until you receive His Spirit. No one will! If you are hungry for the truth Seek HIM out! No one can really tell you Who He is or How he is...you have to experience Him! His words won't mean anything to you or be even be able to comprehend! Again you want answers You have to put aside everything that you have built up ...and let heart do the talking and seeking...that's all I can say! As far as the world Goes and it views and religion even I don't understand it either. It's cold, deadly, ruthless, heart stopping and oppressive ...He's SOOoOooOo Beyond what the world teaches and speaks of! I love Him so much sometimes it hurts...In a good way! Just to let you know ...I was near death ready to take my life and spoke to me! My heart cried out so Loud and he heard me came to me. I don't know what I'd do without Him...It's about you and Him together a Relationship THAT NO ONE can TOUCH! Put aside you anger and seek HIM Out...Yes the best way to get the answers you need! Sorry man, his words don't mean anything more to me than the words of the woman that wrote the harry potter book. Because that's the only "proof" that a god exists, is the fairy tail words written in a book. YOu really didn't get what I was saying...it's not just about His words alone!!! IT's about your heart and his,spirit and soul, Not just words! It Goes way beyond what you are thinking ... You must be willing that's all I can say! You don't seem to want that change, the truth... Good Luck in your search...Be blessed and well love by Yahushua! God doesn't want us to be robots, LOL. Pretty damned ironic that the most robotic speeches always seem to come from the religious folk. Unwavering unconditional love to a non-existent being. it's not about proof it's not about logic it's only about believing. Well by jove you've done it. I'm a believer. I'm gonna go apply to the Hogwarts school of witchcraft and wizardry, I'll be chatting it up with harry potter before I know it, all because I believe! Thank you for that. |
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Edited by
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God cares, he loves, blah blah, and yet he sits up on a cloud watching us do horrid things to each-other like a pervert over a snuff film. For a man to have so much power and do nothing, how can anyone respect such a being, I certainly don't. If he was so all powerful and all knowing, then he would not make himself look like such an A$$hole. The problem is you. Hey, tell me where there's someone that's been kidnapped and I'll go string the kidnapper up to dry, I'm not the sadistic one, look to your god for that. |
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All I can say that it's personal between the two of you. Religion Is Religion. If you are seek to justify what's in the world than you're going about it the wrong way! You aren't going to understand until you receive His Spirit. No one will! If you are hungry for the truth Seek HIM out! No one can really tell you Who He is or How he is...you have to experience Him! His words won't mean anything to you or be even be able to comprehend! Again you want answers You have to put aside everything that you have built up ...and let heart do the talking and seeking...that's all I can say! As far as the world Goes and it views and religion even I don't understand it either. It's cold, deadly, ruthless, heart stopping and oppressive ...He's SOOoOooOo Beyond what the world teaches and speaks of! I love Him so much sometimes it hurts...In a good way! Just to let you know ...I was near death ready to take my life and spoke to me! My heart cried out so Loud and he heard me came to me. I don't know what I'd do without Him...It's about you and Him together a Relationship THAT NO ONE can TOUCH! Put aside you anger and seek HIM Out...Yes the best way to get the answers you need! Sorry man, his words don't mean anything more to me than the words of the woman that wrote the harry potter book. Because that's the only "proof" that a god exists, is the fairy tail words written in a book. YOu really didn't get what I was saying...it's not just about His words alone!!! IT's about your heart and his,spirit and soul, Not just words! It Goes way beyond what you are thinking ... You must be willing that's all I can say! You don't seem to want that change, the truth... Good Luck in your search...Be blessed and well love by Yahushua! God doesn't want us to be robots, LOL. Pretty damned ironic that the most robotic speeches always seem to come from the religious folk. Unwavering unconditional love to a non-existent being. it's not about proof it's not about logic it's only about believing. Well by jove you've done it. I'm a believer. I'm gonna go apply to the Hogwarts school of witchcraft and wizardry, I'll be chatting it up with harry potter before I know it, all because I believe! Thank you for that. Wasn't trying to make you into a believer that's your choice to believe or not! I was simply saying seek Him out! That's all! No he doesn't want us to be robots the "Yes man"! I can say this He Quickens My Spirit Just by Breathing on Me ....AWESOMENES!!! By the By I can't stand religion get that straight! It's Just He and I together...Again Good Luck in your search! |
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They are, lol, that's hardly the point I'm arguing, but a god as we currently "know" god to be, cannot exist under these circumstances, there's just too many contradictions in the bible. why cant he exist 'under these circumstances'? God cares, he loves, blah blah, and yet he sits up on a cloud watching us do horrid things to each-other like a pervert over a snuff film. For a man to have so much power and do nothing, how can anyone respect such a being, I certainly don't. If he was so all powerful and all knowing, then he would not make himself look like such an A$$hole. I love my children, once I have raised them, I cant control them when I 'watch' them do things that are wrong it doesnt mean I am a pervert,, it means that I Recognize their CHOICE to do so,,,,and their (hopefully) understanding of the potential consequences of their actoins I dont babysit my kids once they are adults and I dont expect God to be the babysitter to the human race either,,that doesnt mean he is a 'pervert',,, IMHO |
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All I can say that it's personal between the two of you. Religion Is Religion. If you are seek to justify what's in the world than you're going about it the wrong way! You aren't going to understand until you receive His Spirit. No one will! If you are hungry for the truth Seek HIM out! No one can really tell you Who He is or How he is...you have to experience Him! His words won't mean anything to you or be even be able to comprehend! Again you want answers You have to put aside everything that you have built up ...and let heart do the talking and seeking...that's all I can say! As far as the world Goes and it views and religion even I don't understand it either. It's cold, deadly, ruthless, heart stopping and oppressive ...He's SOOoOooOo Beyond what the world teaches and speaks of! I love Him so much sometimes it hurts...In a good way! Just to let you know ...I was near death ready to take my life and spoke to me! My heart cried out so Loud and he heard me came to me. I don't know what I'd do without Him...It's about you and Him together a Relationship THAT NO ONE can TOUCH! Put aside you anger and seek HIM Out...Yes the best way to get the answers you need! Sorry man, his words don't mean anything more to me than the words of the woman that wrote the harry potter book. Because that's the only "proof" that a god exists, is the fairy tail words written in a book. YOu really didn't get what I was saying...it's not just about His words alone!!! IT's about your heart and his,spirit and soul, Not just words! It Goes way beyond what you are thinking ... You must be willing that's all I can say! You don't seem to want that change, the truth... Good Luck in your search...Be blessed and well love by Yahushua! God doesn't want us to be robots, LOL. Pretty damned ironic that the most robotic speeches always seem to come from the religious folk. Unwavering unconditional love to a non-existent being. it's not about proof it's not about logic it's only about believing. Well by jove you've done it. I'm a believer. I'm gonna go apply to the Hogwarts school of witchcraft and wizardry, I'll be chatting it up with harry potter before I know it, all because I believe! Thank you for that. I think it only seems 'robotic' if its opinions that one doesnt agree with,, those same 'robotic' cliche arguments come from nonbelievers about why God cant exist/ is horrible,,,etc,,,, we believe or we dont believe but are all equally human and equally unable to PROVE to each other one way or the other,,, |
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God cares, he loves, blah blah, and yet he sits up on a cloud watching us do horrid things to each-other like a pervert over a snuff film. For a man to have so much power and do nothing, how can anyone respect such a being, I certainly don't. If he was so all powerful and all knowing, then he would not make himself look like such an A$$hole. The problem is you. Hey, tell me where there's someone that's been kidnapped and I'll go string the kidnapper up to dry, I'm not the sadistic one, look to your god for that. God is not our servant,, he gives us the tools to be accountable for ourselves, and we wait for the consequences,, in nature in the justice system in our bodies or in the hereafter but in THIS world, he gives us our own control and HE doesnt have to guarantee intervention of every human beings agony when another human being chooses to put them through something,,, that still doesnt make him the sadistic one, its not his hands that MAKE Those things happen, its our own free will that guides our own hands,,, |
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God cares, he loves, blah blah, and yet he sits up on a cloud watching us do horrid things to each-other like a pervert over a snuff film. For a man to have so much power and do nothing, how can anyone respect such a being, I certainly don't. If he was so all powerful and all knowing, then he would not make himself look like such an A$$hole. The problem is you. Hey, tell me where there's someone that's been kidnapped and I'll go string the kidnapper up to dry, I'm not the sadistic one, look to your god for that. God is not our servant,, he gives us the tools to be accountable for ourselves, and we wait for the consequences,, in nature in the justice system in our bodies or in the hereafter but in THIS world, he gives us our own control and HE doesnt have to guarantee intervention of every human beings agony when another human being chooses to put them through something,,, that still doesnt make him the sadistic one, its not his hands that MAKE Those things happen, its our own free will that guides our own hands,,, I've said it before and I'll say it again, you CANNOT have free will if there is a threat attached to your action or inaction. That is blackmailing one to get what they want. Are you TECHNICALLY choosing one path or another? Sure. But are you doing it on your own? No you're not, you can't do it if you are being told in effect "do this or die", doesn't work now, never will work and it doesn't matter how much you try to make it so. It is illogical. You either are totally free to choose one path or another or you're not, there's no inbetween. Beyond that, this God supposedly knows what we do before we do it anyway, so how are we freely choosing anything at all if it's set in stone before we ever do it??? The idea of free will just does not work under these conditions. |
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All I can say that it's personal between the two of you. Religion Is Religion. If you are seek to justify what's in the world than you're going about it the wrong way! You aren't going to understand until you receive His Spirit. No one will! If you are hungry for the truth Seek HIM out! No one can really tell you Who He is or How he is...you have to experience Him! His words won't mean anything to you or be even be able to comprehend! Again you want answers You have to put aside everything that you have built up ...and let heart do the talking and seeking...that's all I can say! As far as the world Goes and it views and religion even I don't understand it either. It's cold, deadly, ruthless, heart stopping and oppressive ...He's SOOoOooOo Beyond what the world teaches and speaks of! I love Him so much sometimes it hurts...In a good way! Just to let you know ...I was near death ready to take my life and spoke to me! My heart cried out so Loud and he heard me came to me. I don't know what I'd do without Him...It's about you and Him together a Relationship THAT NO ONE can TOUCH! Put aside you anger and seek HIM Out...Yes the best way to get the answers you need! Sorry man, his words don't mean anything more to me than the words of the woman that wrote the harry potter book. Because that's the only "proof" that a god exists, is the fairy tail words written in a book. YOu really didn't get what I was saying...it's not just about His words alone!!! IT's about your heart and his,spirit and soul, Not just words! It Goes way beyond what you are thinking ... You must be willing that's all I can say! You don't seem to want that change, the truth... Good Luck in your search...Be blessed and well love by Yahushua! God doesn't want us to be robots, LOL. Pretty damned ironic that the most robotic speeches always seem to come from the religious folk. Unwavering unconditional love to a non-existent being. it's not about proof it's not about logic it's only about believing. Well by jove you've done it. I'm a believer. I'm gonna go apply to the Hogwarts school of witchcraft and wizardry, I'll be chatting it up with harry potter before I know it, all because I believe! Thank you for that. Wasn't trying to make you into a believer that's your choice to believe or not! I was simply saying seek Him out! That's all! No he doesn't want us to be robots the "Yes man"! I can say this He Quickens My Spirit Just by Breathing on Me ....AWESOMENES!!! By the By I can't stand religion get that straight! It's Just He and I together...Again Good Luck in your search! Here's the problem though, if you are EXPECTED to do one thing over or another with a consequence for not doing it or doing it depending on what it is, then you are effectively made robotic whether you realize it or not, because you are not free to question what you are told. You have no choice but to believe if you want to live. So in that sense, this God does want yes men and robots because to go against it means to die. |
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Hi new to this site. The remark GOD is not a loveing god. If you are referring to the GOD of the bible then you are wrong first GOD CHOOSES HOW MANY HE SAVES BASE ON HIS CHOICE BEFORE ANYTHING THAT WAS MADE MADE.BEFORE TIME ITSELF WAS.AND HE CHOOSES AT HIS WILL NOTICE I SAID CHOOSES NOT CHOOSE. FOR HE is the same today as yesterday it is called election.GOD SO LOVED THE WORLD THAT HE GAVE HIS ONLY BEGOTTEN SON TO MAKE ATONEMENT FOR US. THAT SON BEING JESUS AND ALL COME TO JESUS ARE BEING TAUGHT OF GOD ...DRAWN BY GOD...TO COME TO THE KNOWLEDGE OF JESUS. Jesus says that the world may know that I love the father I go to the cross.so to say that GOD IS NOT LOVEING THAT REMARK DOESN'T make sense. He's loving and yet he actively ALLOWS people to perish under his watch being able to prevent it but choosing not to on a whim? Yeah ok........  and why is perishing such a terrible thing in your view? did you ever consider this life is struggle and pain and illness and 'perishing' from it may actually be escaping it for a paradise instead,,,, That isn't what I meant......I didn't mean physically. ALL our bodies will die, everyone knows that. What I meant is this God is supposed to be loving, and yet he allows people to ETERNALLY perish, KNOWING it's not what they want, and being able to stop it. It doesn't fit what a loving being does. To love means doing anything you can to save a person, not just letting them die as a punishment for bad behavior. Regardless of what the person may have done, you don't do that if you love them. I mean any person who could sit there and WATCH someone die being able to stop it, would be held accountable in part for their death, and yet we accept this of God? Why? Why do expect more out of ourselves than we do of God? It makes no sense at all. |
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You have Free Will,but you had better do what I tell you to do,or I'll Burn Your Arse!
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God cares, he loves, blah blah, and yet he sits up on a cloud watching us do horrid things to each-other like a pervert over a snuff film. For a man to have so much power and do nothing, how can anyone respect such a being, I certainly don't. If he was so all powerful and all knowing, then he would not make himself look like such an A$$hole. The problem is you. Hey, tell me where there's someone that's been kidnapped and I'll go string the kidnapper up to dry, I'm not the sadistic one, look to your god for that. God is not our servant,, he gives us the tools to be accountable for ourselves, and we wait for the consequences,, in nature in the justice system in our bodies or in the hereafter but in THIS world, he gives us our own control and HE doesnt have to guarantee intervention of every human beings agony when another human being chooses to put them through something,,, that still doesnt make him the sadistic one, its not his hands that MAKE Those things happen, its our own free will that guides our own hands,,, I've said it before and I'll say it again, you CANNOT have free will if there is a threat attached to your action or inaction. That is blackmailing one to get what they want. Are you TECHNICALLY choosing one path or another? Sure. But are you doing it on your own? No you're not, you can't do it if you are being told in effect "do this or die", doesn't work now, never will work and it doesn't matter how much you try to make it so. It is illogical. You either are totally free to choose one path or another or you're not, there's no inbetween. Beyond that, this God supposedly knows what we do before we do it anyway, so how are we freely choosing anything at all if it's set in stone before we ever do it??? The idea of free will just does not work under these conditions. what you call a threat, I call a consequence, and there is no action that doesnt have 'consequences' attached when we choose our action, we choose our range of consequences,, but its still a CHOICE,, we make up our own mind and than OUR MIND directs our body how to carry it out,,, we are going to die in the mortal world, whatever we do,,,,there is no threat there there is a promise that we might have everlasting life spiritually beyond the mortal 'life', that is actually a postive consequence that never had to be offered in the first place |
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we will all die, that is how we are designed,, I dont know what to tell those who have a feeling of entitlement to anything beyond that,,,,
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Edited by
Lazarus102
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It's not the job of the police to babysit us either, but they still have the morals to do what's right, that's more than can be said for god, a supposedly all powerful being that does nothing. Nothing to help the human race, nothing to prove his existence nothing at all; and as I stated before the only "proof" that exists is in some old badly interpreted book and the people that believe it. The whole concept of it really is just grasping at straws. I'd never ask anyone to drop their religion cold turkey, it's not purely the belief or following that annoys me, it's the people that follow BLINDLY with no sense of logic. I suppose as they say "ignorance is bliss" lol. Course there's no room for logic when it comes to invisible magic men in the sky. Ironic part is, if you claimed that you were talking to an invisible magic man in the sky to someone that knew nothing of religion, you'd be locked away in a rubber room. It's funny how flexible the definition of insanity is.
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All I can say that it's personal between the two of you. Religion Is Religion. If you are seek to justify what's in the world than you're going about it the wrong way! You aren't going to understand until you receive His Spirit. No one will! If you are hungry for the truth Seek HIM out! No one can really tell you Who He is or How he is...you have to experience Him! His words won't mean anything to you or be even be able to comprehend! Again you want answers You have to put aside everything that you have built up ...and let heart do the talking and seeking...that's all I can say! As far as the world Goes and it views and religion even I don't understand it either. It's cold, deadly, ruthless, heart stopping and oppressive ...He's SOOoOooOo Beyond what the world teaches and speaks of! I love Him so much sometimes it hurts...In a good way! Just to let you know ...I was near death ready to take my life and spoke to me! My heart cried out so Loud and he heard me came to me. I don't know what I'd do without Him...It's about you and Him together a Relationship THAT NO ONE can TOUCH! Put aside you anger and seek HIM Out...Yes the best way to get the answers you need! Sorry man, his words don't mean anything more to me than the words of the woman that wrote the harry potter book. Because that's the only "proof" that a god exists, is the fairy tail words written in a book. YOu really didn't get what I was saying...it's not just about His words alone!!! IT's about your heart and his,spirit and soul, Not just words! It Goes way beyond what you are thinking ... You must be willing that's all I can say! You don't seem to want that change, the truth... Good Luck in your search...Be blessed and well love by Yahushua! God doesn't want us to be robots, LOL. Pretty damned ironic that the most robotic speeches always seem to come from the religious folk. Unwavering unconditional love to a non-existent being. it's not about proof it's not about logic it's only about believing. Well by jove you've done it. I'm a believer. I'm gonna go apply to the Hogwarts school of witchcraft and wizardry, I'll be chatting it up with harry potter before I know it, all because I believe! Thank you for that. Wasn't trying to make you into a believer that's your choice to believe or not! I was simply saying seek Him out! That's all! No he doesn't want us to be robots the "Yes man"! I can say this He Quickens My Spirit Just by Breathing on Me ....AWESOMENES!!! By the By I can't stand religion get that straight! It's Just He and I together...Again Good Luck in your search! Here's the problem though, if you are EXPECTED to do one thing over or another with a consequence for not doing it or doing it depending on what it is, then you are effectively made robotic whether you realize it or not, because you are not free to question what you are told. You have no choice but to believe if you want to live. So in that sense, this God does want yes men and robots because to go against it means to die. Yahushua be with you and always with... |
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It's not the job of the police to babysit us either, but they still have the morals to do what's right, that's more than can be said for god, a supposedly all powerful being that does nothing. Nothing to help the human race, nothing to prove his existence nothing at all; and as I stated before the only "proof" that exists is in some old badly interpreted book and the people that believe it. The whole concept of it really is just grasping at straws. yes, they are given the free will to CHOOSE to take that risk for pay,,,,, God is not being paid, it is not Gods occupation or responsibility to babysit,,,, there are miracles in birth, and recovery from illness and how so many things are interconnected and complex in ways that are just as unbelievable as a chain of coincindences as it is that of an intelligent designer, or any number of things that show what God 'does' its subjective perception that he 'does nothing at all' ,,,,we all have opinions,,, |
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