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Edited by
IntellectualGenius
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My bad, it should have read "absence of action is non-use of power." not reaction. If I sit and do nothing I'd be no better than the so-called "god" that I protest. Let's play out this scenario, a scenario in which the bible was about modern day times instead of playing on people's minds with stories about magic and fairy tails. The bible, a story about nothing more than a bunch of people following an invisible deity based on nothing more than faith. Would so many people be so quick to follow a god that has never shown action. If you are so persistent in the belief that we are gods, then I choose to show action for a god that does not show action will ultimately be alone, like a wallflower at a party; no one follows the guy standing in the corner stewing over his own beliefs. I don't consider calling religious people "silly" as insulting them, if you seen a guy running down the street flailing his arms around then would you not say "look, he's being silly!". It's not an insult if it's the truth. A long time ago people thought the earth was flat, the more educated people that knew it was round may have thought those people to be "silly" and they would have been correct. Religious people spout their beliefs off every day trying to convert people, so how am I any worse for doing the same. Only difference is that my beliefs are based on science and fact, not clinging on to an ancient and dying concept. "one of the most fascinating and historically accurate artifacts of our time." that's an opinion based on your own religious beliefs. That compilation of books was written so long ago that there's no possible way of validating much of any of it. Yes I know of the komodo dragon, obviously I was speaking of the dragons of myth. Ones that fly and burn down villages with their fiery breath.(nice dodge on the question though.) God has no religion, that's true enough, even a high priest has spoken those words. But people still follow it and religion is all based on interpretations from the bible and the bible was written by man following the teachings of god. So the entire argument between god and religion is pretty redundant. "Unfortunately, YOU are a fool among the ignorant masses of man-made religion. Believe it or not, you are a religious idiot in every bit of the word, indulged in your biased beliefs of deception.. " Really, I wasn't aware that atheism was a religion. Fairly sure the more accurate description of it is "lack of religion". My comment against your intellect was based on my disappointment in your previous harshly lacking argument; I'm able to name about a thousand reasons why god either does not exist or is a horrible corrupt deity, while the only arguments on the side of religion are the bible and your faith. "I consider myself one of the most brilliant minds among the living world" With claims like that you'd better have something to back it up. I'd really like someone to watch this video before commenting again. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=88GTUXvp-50 I am not religious; don't try and put words into my mouth through deceptive writing. (Nice evasive attempt) Oh, you weren't aware your Atheism was a religion? ha! NEWS FLASH! Unfortunately, you are following and practicing the beliefs of your godless man-made religion, buddy. Yeah, I am sure you can name a "thousand reasons" why God is a corrupt deity and doesn't exist.. Only problem is your "reasoning" is biased; therefore, you can't really give a fair evaluation of the situation without making an idiot of yourself. For someone as stubborn as you I am not surprised you are determined to turn a blind eye and a deaf ear to the historically accurate facts of an artifact that hasn't been disapproved by unbiased science. Yet, you sit comfortably behind your computer without any evidence to disqualify the Bible, yet your ignorant enough to make claims and proclaim that these "theories" that you support are on equal footing with actual facts that support the Bible. I am not going to give you links to prove your wrong, because you'll simply deny it due to your obsession of your zealously pathetic religion and write more trivial non-sense to justify your foolishness. For your information, We ALL believe and have faith in something: A) God B) Evolution C) The Big Bang D) Scientific Data / Theories, E) Chance,etc. In the final analysis we recognize WE don't have ALL the answers. Scientific theories come & go , but precious few become Scientific Laws,hence most fall by the wayside. Einstein once said: "I do not believe GOD rolled dice w/the universe." There is simply to much structure & order for it to happen by CHANCE. -Merica A Relic "Ultimately enthralling & entertaining" |
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My bad, it should have read "absence of action is non-use of power." not reaction. If I sit and do nothing I'd be no better than the so-called "god" that I protest. Let's play out this scenario, a scenario in which the bible was about modern day times instead of playing on people's minds with stories about magic and fairy tails. The bible, a story about nothing more than a bunch of people following an invisible deity based on nothing more than faith. Would so many people be so quick to follow a god that has never shown action. If you are so persistent in the belief that we are gods, then I choose to show action for a god that does not show action will ultimately be alone, like a wallflower at a party; no one follows the guy standing in the corner stewing over his own beliefs. I don't consider calling religious people "silly" as insulting them, if you seen a guy running down the street flailing his arms around then would you not say "look, he's being silly!". It's not an insult if it's the truth. A long time ago people thought the earth was flat, the more educated people that knew it was round may have thought those people to be "silly" and they would have been correct. Religious people spout their beliefs off every day trying to convert people, so how am I any worse for doing the same. Only difference is that my beliefs are based on science and fact, not clinging on to an ancient and dying concept. "one of the most fascinating and historically accurate artifacts of our time." that's an opinion based on your own religious beliefs. That compilation of books was written so long ago that there's no possible way of validating much of any of it. Yes I know of the komodo dragon, obviously I was speaking of the dragons of myth. Ones that fly and burn down villages with their fiery breath.(nice dodge on the question though.) God has no religion, that's true enough, even a high priest has spoken those words. But people still follow it and religion is all based on interpretations from the bible and the bible was written by man following the teachings of god. So the entire argument between god and religion is pretty redundant. "Unfortunately, YOU are a fool among the ignorant masses of man-made religion. Believe it or not, you are a religious idiot in every bit of the word, indulged in your biased beliefs of deception.. " Really, I wasn't aware that atheism was a religion. Fairly sure the more accurate description of it is "lack of religion". My comment against your intellect was based on my disappointment in your previous harshly lacking argument; I'm able to name about a thousand reasons why god either does not exist or is a horrible corrupt deity, while the only arguments on the side of religion are the bible and your faith. "I consider myself one of the most brilliant minds among the living world" With claims like that you'd better have something to back it up. I'd really like someone to watch this video before commenting again. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=88GTUXvp-50 I am not religious; don't try and put words into my mouth through deceptive writing. (Nice evasive attempt) Oh, you weren't aware your Atheism was a religion? ha! NEWS FLASH! Unfortunately, you are following and practicing the beliefs of your godless man-made religion, buddy. Yeah, I am sure you can name a "thousand reasons" why God is a corrupt deity and doesn't exist.. Only problem is your "reasoning" is biased; therefore, you can't really give a fair evaluation of the situation without making an idiot of yourself. For someone as stubborn as you I am not surprised you are determined to turn a blind eye and a deaf ear to the historically accurate facts of an artifact that hasn't been disapproved by unbiased science. Yet, you sit comfortably behind your computer without any evidence to disqualify the Bible, yet your ignorant enough to make claims and proclaim that these "theories" that you support are on equal footing with actual facts that support the Bible. I am not going to give you links to prove your wrong, because you'll simply deny it due to your obsession of your zealously pathetic religion and write more trivial non-sense to justify your foolishness. For your information, We ALL believe and have faith in something: A) God B) Evolution C) The Big Bang D) Scientific Data / Theories, E) Chance,etc. In the final analysis we recognize WE don't have ALL the answers. Scientific theories come & go , but precious few become Scientific Laws,hence most fall by the wayside. Einstein once said: "I do not believe GOD rolled dice w/the universe." There is simply to much structure & order for it to happen by CHANCE. -Merica A Relic "Ultimately enthralling & entertaining" In reply to what Einstein said, there is a theory that if you put a thousand monkeys at a thousand typewriters, eventually one of them will type out a novel. In otherwords the "too much structure & order" that we experience is the equivalent of that one monkey that got it right, by CHANCE. Besides, there must be order for there is chaos, all things exist in some form of balance. That is one area where the bible has it right, good cannot exist without evil and vice versa. At least that is the laws of the universe as we know it, humanity is looking to bend the laws of physics and go beyond our current limits. Go ahead and post what links you have, I've been pushing people to try to prove me wrong though all their "facts" but all I've gotten in return is repetition and excuses. Atheism is not a religion or a following, it is the absence of those things. I could choose to not even call myself an atheist but ultimately it's what I am, it's a label, an easy way of describing that I'm not a satanist but I don't believe in god. Too many people look at science and see only theories, while it's true that science has bolstered a lot of theories it's also produced a lot of facts. To claim that science is all about theories is ignorance at it's best. For example don't look at science, look at the byproducts of science. Is the light bulb a "theory"? Is telecommunications a "theory"? Is advanced robotics a "theory"? What has religion brought to the table apart from the dark ages. Yes I am bias against believing in mythical/invisible beings, most of us would refer to that as being "sane". Your opinions are likely much more biased than mine could ever be, as it's likely that your opinions have been taught to you as soon as you were able to comprehend words. Really how can you prove the non-existence of those things that didn't happen in the bible? Just because it's not there must mean it's beyond my sight? Or here's a real doozy, maybe just maybe it just doesn't exist? |
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This is a reminder to leave the insults and personal attacks OFF of the forums. You can debate the topic/post but not make it personal toward other members.
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Yes, let's just insult g-d instead. Focus your anger on him, blame it on him, blame it on the devil, why don't you blame it on the bossa nova? Or how about we take a little responsibility for ourselves.
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Edited by
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 yes, whether its chance or intelligent design, noone here can really prove one way or another this whole thread is arguing 'beliefs',, not 'facts' believe what you choose to believe, there is no actual argument to be made that is based in any 'facts' for OR against the existence of God,,, just the assumptions and conclusions we have come to in our own unique experiences,,, |
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This is a reminder to leave the insults and personal attacks OFF of the forums. You can debate the topic/post but not make it personal toward other members. Kim Yes, let's just insult g-d instead. Focus your anger on him, blame it on him, blame it on the devil, why don't you blame it on the bossa nova? Or how about we take a little responsibility for ourselves. Ya, we did all of the evil things I've spoken of in this thread, it was us that started the wars, us that created evil bias religions even us that at one point plunged humanity into the dark ages. But, god and religion(formed around the concept of god) has been the driving force behind the lot of it. God and religion can be very easily compared to alcohol, there's those that can drink a few at a party, have fun and be themselves, then there's those that go overboard with it and become a detriment to other people's lives. I'd sooner ban them both from use if I had the power to do so because both have been badly abused to no end. These things turn us into powerful weapons and should not be allowed to exist. "this whole thread is arguing 'beliefs',, not 'facts' " The atrocities caused by man while following god based on whatever religion they follow is far from just being a belief. I heard a recent poll suggest that "less than 10%" of Christians have read the whole bible. How much can you vouch for a bible, call it 'good' and 'just' and 'fact' when there's a good chance that you have not read but a few pages from it? To agree with something so wholeheartedly and yet know so little about it. That alone suggests how uneducated the religious community can be. (I'm not calling people stupid, "uneducated" merely means lack of wisdom, not intelligence) |
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Edited by
Jeanniebean
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Lazarus102 said: However it is not my goal to insult people, merely to educate. Other than rail on how irritated you personally are that some people believe in God, you have not offered much at all in the way of "education." On the surface of it, appearances indicate that wars are about religion. That is not what wars are about. Religion is what is used to incite people into wars, and manipulate people but that is not really what wars are about. You will not accomplish anything by telling people they are wrong or silly for believing in God. You will not "educate" anyone with your attitude which clearly shows your anger and frustration. Why not be what you seem to want others to be? |
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Lazarus, I have watched your youtube video and this is nothing that most educated people do not already know. However, I believe that you missed some key phrases due to the film's and your mindset. for example, most pagans did not believe that their myths were actually true, but allegories about life and nature and the world around them. And as my old theology professor used to say, people who respect the Bible, never actually read it and what is says. Yes Religion is an opiate and means of control, but what you miss is the deep spirituality of what these allegories can teach you and you alone. My advise is go and read the original Pagan authors, especially those debating such people as Justin Martyr. Xianity is basically based on the teaching of Paul, because most people can not handle what Jesus actually says. These myths can be powerful tools to help one find peace and their place in an often confusing and frightening world if understood. For example, look at the strong followings of the work of Joseph Campbell, as well as, the Iron John stories. I hope you find peace.
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Edited by
RKISIT
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Thu 05/30/13 02:42 PM
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Lazarus, I have watched your youtube video and this is nothing that most educated people do not already know. However, I believe that you missed some key phrases due to the film's and your mindset. for example, most pagans did not believe that their myths were actually true, but allegories about life and nature and the world around them. And as my old theology professor used to say, people who respect the Bible, never actually read it and what is says. Yes Religion is an opiate and means of control, but what you miss is the deep spirituality of what these allegories can teach you and you alone. My advise is go and read the original Pagan authors, especially those debating such people as Justin Martyr. Xianity is basically based on the teaching of Paul, because most people can not handle what Jesus actually says. These myths can be powerful tools to help one find peace and their place in an often confusing and frightening world if understood. For example, look at the strong followings of the work of Joseph Campbell, as well as, the Iron John stories. I hope you find peace. This is your opinion though,i have read the bible and got nothing out of it but a story to promote a manmade god.Just like all the other deity based mythological faiths. The quran is the same way.I got actually nothing out of it other than it's what muslums believe and allah hates jews and doesn't particulary care for nonmuslums. Reading about spiritual "whatevers" isn't for everyone. I have seen people like you try to make it as if reading about religions especially the bible can and may help you.For some but not all.Common sense and piss poor or very,well chosen,choices plays a key role in life.Not a renegade rabbi.You state that people need to take responsibility for their actions.Funny thing i accept people shouldn't be followers and should live their life free of prescriptive laws from ancient writings Noone blames god and his baby boy jesus.He's a myth and jesus,who knows what he was,but it's fundamentalist delusional zealot followers are rather how can i say?......Delusional. |
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This is a reminder to leave the insults and personal attacks OFF of the forums. You can debate the topic/post but not make it personal toward other members. Kim Yes, let's just insult g-d instead. Focus your anger on him, blame it on him, blame it on the devil, why don't you blame it on the bossa nova? Or how about we take a little responsibility for ourselves. Ya, we did all of the evil things I've spoken of in this thread, it was us that started the wars, us that created evil bias religions even us that at one point plunged humanity into the dark ages. But, god and religion(formed around the concept of god) has been the driving force behind the lot of it. God and religion can be very easily compared to alcohol, there's those that can drink a few at a party, have fun and be themselves, then there's those that go overboard with it and become a detriment to other people's lives. I'd sooner ban them both from use if I had the power to do so because both have been badly abused to no end. These things turn us into powerful weapons and should not be allowed to exist. "this whole thread is arguing 'beliefs',, not 'facts' " The atrocities caused by man while following god based on whatever religion they follow is far from just being a belief. I heard a recent poll suggest that "less than 10%" of Christians have read the whole bible. How much can you vouch for a bible, call it 'good' and 'just' and 'fact' when there's a good chance that you have not read but a few pages from it? To agree with something so wholeheartedly and yet know so little about it. That alone suggests how uneducated the religious community can be. (I'm not calling people stupid, "uneducated" merely means lack of wisdom, not intelligence) |
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im n0t f0rcing u t0 believe..i saw the m0vie u menti0nd which bunch 0f pe0ple were killed b0th y0ung and old,even babies,and huts were burned. God is a l0ving God..a thing u sh0uldnt d0ubt..first thing we sh0uld bear in mind is ab0ut LIFE- TEMPORARY LIFE AND INTERNAL LIFE. GOD l0ves us that he w0nt all0w us t0 be hurt. YES THIS TRUE but it seems n0t bc0z ur mean it here 0n earth. Y0u treasure ur life 0n this evil w0rld. but we must remember that Christ died and live bc0z he prepare a place f0r us after 0ur m0rtal b0dy died. A place called heaven where n0 death,sin,pain,s0rr0w,etc. Getting hurt here 0n earth d0esnt mean God never exist and n0t a l0ving God bc0z God's w0rld is n0t 0n earth but in heaven. The same f0r us,if we believe 0n Him ,0ur w0rld isnt here but 0n earth t0o.h0pe it helps u all.
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i mean 0ur w0rld isnt here,but 0n heaven t0o.
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Edited by
Lazarus102
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"Other than rail on how irritated you personally are that some people believe in God, you have not offered much at all in the way of "education.""
Clearly you've been reading between the lines Jean. I have brought quite a few facts into the conversation, whether you choose to believe them or not is up to you, but that does not make them any less factual. "Religion is what is used to incite people into wars, and manipulate people but that is not really what wars are about." Does it really matter if it is what the wars are about or not, "it is used" to start the wars. A gun at a murder scene is not what the murder was all about, the gun caused no harm? Should we give guns to all of our children and teach them how to use them? Hello Columbine! Obviously not. Guns can be used to protect people or they can be used to take lives. Religion can be used to bring a deeper spiritual understanding of life or bring on genocide. "With most christians they have what is known as cognitive dissonance." I looked up that phrase and if I understand correctly it would roughly translate into lamens terms as "they're fooling themselves" but I do prefer the way you said it. "You will not "educate" anyone with your attitude which clearly shows your anger and frustration." I do apologize if I seem frustrated but it's difficult not to be a bit so when trying to explain to closed minded people that religion is the worlds oldest hoax and that god is simply a metaphor and getting a lot of really redundant replies in return(not all the replies but a lot of them). I understand that you can't exactly enlighten people that have been brainwashed since they were children but then hey, I got off the religion wagon at the age of 27.Up into my early 20's I would have likely made a lot of the same arguments that people have given me in this thread. But I managed to open my eyes and see religion for what it really is, a political weapon. "I hope you find peace." I'll find peace if and when neurological and computer sciences advance enough to transfer my consciousness into a computer/robot. There is no god and life is pain. |
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"Other than rail on how irritated you personally are that some people believe in God, you have not offered much at all in the way of "education."" Clearly you've been reading between the lines Jean. I have brought quite a few facts into the conversation, whether you choose to believe them or not is up to you, but that does not make them any less factual. "Religion is what is used to incite people into wars, and manipulate people but that is not really what wars are about." Does it really matter if it is what the wars are about or not, "it is used" to start the wars. A gun at a murder scene is not what the murder was all about, the gun caused no harm? Should we give guns to all of our children and teach them how to use them? Hello Columbine! Obviously not. Guns can be used to protect people or they can be used to take lives. Religion can be used to bring a deeper spiritual understanding of life or bring on genocide. "With most christians they have what is known as cognitive dissonance." I looked up that phrase and if I understand correctly it would roughly translate into lamens terms as "they're fooling themselves" but I do prefer the way you said it. "You will not "educate" anyone with your attitude which clearly shows your anger and frustration." I do apologize if I seem frustrated but it's difficult not to be a bit so when trying to explain to closed minded people that religion is the worlds oldest hoax and that god is simply a metaphor and getting a lot of really redundant replies in return(not all the replies but a lot of them). I understand that you can't exactly enlighten people that have been brainwashed since they were children but then hey, I got off the religion wagon at the age of 27.Up into my early 20's I would have likely made a lot of the same arguments that people have given me in this thread. But I managed to open my eyes and see religion for what it really is, a political weapon. "I hope you find peace." I'll find peace if and when neurological and computer sciences advance enough to transfer my consciousness into a computer/robot. There is no god and life is pain. This is very sad. "There is no god and life is pain." Is god invisible? ... Love = God so I guess the answer is yes. Do you have any love in your heart or mind at all? Do you feel any love for anyone or is it something else you feel? You are new to the concept of "no deity," so you are still struggling over that concept. I understand, I really do. It's sort of like losing a parent. Believe me I have been on this club for a long time and I have heard a lot of people railing about "facts" and I'm not really impressed with what some people preach about their idea of "facts." Yes, religion is a hoax if you are expected to believe the stories in the Bible. If everyone had it right, there would only be one religion, so obviously there is something wrong with all of them. You seem depressed and I am very sorry. Find love and you will find joy. Love is inside of you... not anywhere else. |
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When you learn what "God" is and what "Love" is
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"Other than rail on how irritated you personally are that some people believe in God, you have not offered much at all in the way of "education."" Clearly you've been reading between the lines Jean. I have brought quite a few facts into the conversation, whether you choose to believe them or not is up to you, but that does not make them any less factual. "Religion is what is used to incite people into wars, and manipulate people but that is not really what wars are about." Does it really matter if it is what the wars are about or not, "it is used" to start the wars. A gun at a murder scene is not what the murder was all about, the gun caused no harm? Should we give guns to all of our children and teach them how to use them? Hello Columbine! Obviously not. Guns can be used to protect people or they can be used to take lives. Religion can be used to bring a deeper spiritual understanding of life or bring on genocide. "With most christians they have what is known as cognitive dissonance." I looked up that phrase and if I understand correctly it would roughly translate into lamens terms as "they're fooling themselves" but I do prefer the way you said it. "You will not "educate" anyone with your attitude which clearly shows your anger and frustration." I do apologize if I seem frustrated but it's difficult not to be a bit so when trying to explain to closed minded people that religion is the worlds oldest hoax and that god is simply a metaphor and getting a lot of really redundant replies in return(not all the replies but a lot of them). I understand that you can't exactly enlighten people that have been brainwashed since they were children but then hey, I got off the religion wagon at the age of 27.Up into my early 20's I would have likely made a lot of the same arguments that people have given me in this thread. But I managed to open my eyes and see religion for what it really is, a political weapon. "I hope you find peace." I'll find peace if and when neurological and computer sciences advance enough to transfer my consciousness into a computer/robot. There is no god and life is pain. its interesting that you should be able to become 'frustrated' by what someone else chooses to believe Im not frustrated with those who are putting their faith in MAN (science),,,,,,whatever floats your boat,,, belief and action are not the same thing,, although belief can inspire action,,, it is a correlation, not a causation,,,, there are men of both religious and scientific conviction that do wonderful deeds, and those that do terrible deeds blaming the deed on the belief system instead of the choice of the person,, is an exercise in ignoring the accountability humans should have for their own actions ironically, something that the 'religious' are often accused of doing in this thread,,,, |
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"Other than rail on how irritated you personally are that some people believe in God, you have not offered much at all in the way of "education."" Clearly you've been reading between the lines Jean. I have brought quite a few facts into the conversation, whether you choose to believe them or not is up to you, but that does not make them any less factual. "Religion is what is used to incite people into wars, and manipulate people but that is not really what wars are about." Does it really matter if it is what the wars are about or not, "it is used" to start the wars. A gun at a murder scene is not what the murder was all about, the gun caused no harm? Should we give guns to all of our children and teach them how to use them? Hello Columbine! Obviously not. Guns can be used to protect people or they can be used to take lives. Religion can be used to bring a deeper spiritual understanding of life or bring on genocide. "With most christians they have what is known as cognitive dissonance." I looked up that phrase and if I understand correctly it would roughly translate into lamens terms as "they're fooling themselves" but I do prefer the way you said it. "You will not "educate" anyone with your attitude which clearly shows your anger and frustration." I do apologize if I seem frustrated but it's difficult not to be a bit so when trying to explain to closed minded people that religion is the worlds oldest hoax and that god is simply a metaphor and getting a lot of really redundant replies in return(not all the replies but a lot of them). I understand that you can't exactly enlighten people that have been brainwashed since they were children but then hey, I got off the religion wagon at the age of 27.Up into my early 20's I would have likely made a lot of the same arguments that people have given me in this thread. But I managed to open my eyes and see religion for what it really is, a political weapon. "I hope you find peace." I'll find peace if and when neurological and computer sciences advance enough to transfer my consciousness into a computer/robot. There is no god and life is pain. its interesting that you should be able to become 'frustrated' by what someone else chooses to believe Im not frustrated with those who are putting their faith in MAN (science),,,,,,whatever floats your boat,,, belief and action are not the same thing,, although belief can inspire action,,, it is a correlation, not a causation,,,, there are men of both religious and scientific conviction that do wonderful deeds, and those that do terrible deeds blaming the deed on the belief system instead of the choice of the person,, is an exercise in ignoring the accountability humans should have for their own actions ironically, something that the 'religious' are often accused of doing in this thread,,,, So if someone claims they killed because god told them to or because it's in the bible where children can be stoned to death and homosexuals can be killed then how is this not their beliefs fault? Ah maybe because in certain countries it's illegal or someone who wrote a part of the bible where follow the laws of the land because people were actually killing others cause of their beliefs? Like the inquisition,the crusades,the kkk,the christians vs muslums in africa,the salem witch hunt,the philistines massacre,the islam extremist,the army of god abortion doctors killings,the serial killers who went to church,george bush jr.......etc. |
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"Other than rail on how irritated you personally are that some people believe in God, you have not offered much at all in the way of "education."" Clearly you've been reading between the lines Jean. I have brought quite a few facts into the conversation, whether you choose to believe them or not is up to you, but that does not make them any less factual. "Religion is what is used to incite people into wars, and manipulate people but that is not really what wars are about." Does it really matter if it is what the wars are about or not, "it is used" to start the wars. A gun at a murder scene is not what the murder was all about, the gun caused no harm? Should we give guns to all of our children and teach them how to use them? Hello Columbine! Obviously not. Guns can be used to protect people or they can be used to take lives. Religion can be used to bring a deeper spiritual understanding of life or bring on genocide. "With most christians they have what is known as cognitive dissonance." I looked up that phrase and if I understand correctly it would roughly translate into lamens terms as "they're fooling themselves" but I do prefer the way you said it. "You will not "educate" anyone with your attitude which clearly shows your anger and frustration." I do apologize if I seem frustrated but it's difficult not to be a bit so when trying to explain to closed minded people that religion is the worlds oldest hoax and that god is simply a metaphor and getting a lot of really redundant replies in return(not all the replies but a lot of them). I understand that you can't exactly enlighten people that have been brainwashed since they were children but then hey, I got off the religion wagon at the age of 27.Up into my early 20's I would have likely made a lot of the same arguments that people have given me in this thread. But I managed to open my eyes and see religion for what it really is, a political weapon. "I hope you find peace." I'll find peace if and when neurological and computer sciences advance enough to transfer my consciousness into a computer/robot. There is no god and life is pain. its interesting that you should be able to become 'frustrated' by what someone else chooses to believe Im not frustrated with those who are putting their faith in MAN (science),,,,,,whatever floats your boat,,, belief and action are not the same thing,, although belief can inspire action,,, it is a correlation, not a causation,,,, there are men of both religious and scientific conviction that do wonderful deeds, and those that do terrible deeds blaming the deed on the belief system instead of the choice of the person,, is an exercise in ignoring the accountability humans should have for their own actions ironically, something that the 'religious' are often accused of doing in this thread,,,, So if someone claims they killed because god told them to or because it's in the bible where children can be stoned to death and homosexuals can be killed then how is this not their beliefs fault? Ah maybe because in certain countries it's illegal or someone who wrote a part of the bible where follow the laws of the land because people were actually killing others cause of their beliefs? Like the inquisition,the crusades,the kkk,the christians vs muslums in africa,the salem witch hunt,the philistines massacre,the islam extremist,the army of god abortion doctors killings,the serial killers who went to church,george bush jr.......etc. it is not the fault of anyone but he who chooses to take the action,, period many things can INFLUENCE people one way or the other, the bible says to turn the other cheek as well, it says not to throw stones unless you are sinless as well,,,, those choices are available for interpretation, but the human mind decides what it will and wont take from the words it reads,,,,, none of the activity you mention does NOt predate religion, it just added religion as another factor into the choice people live with allegiance to their beliefs, and some people are willing to harm others who dont share their beliefs,, its as simple as that with or WITHOUT religion.... |
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When anyone attempts to manipulate the general public's actions via emotions and beliefs a red flag should be on the field.
When you join a mob cheering for the FBI when they shoot a guy in the head while questioning him, you are being manipulated. Probably with lies. When you join the military to go kick some but because of a "terrorist attack," you are being manipulated. When you support gun control legislation because some children were killed (by who knows who) and you see their parents wailing about it on television, you are being manipulated. When you do anything OUT OF FEAR coming from fear mongers, you are being manipulated. Don't be manipulated. Don't let anyone tell you who to hate or why. Think for your self and THINK. Don't let the drama hypnotize you. |
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im n0t f0rcing u t0 believe..i saw the m0vie u menti0nd which bunch 0f pe0ple were killed b0th y0ung and old,even babies,and huts were burned. God is a l0ving God..a thing u sh0uldnt d0ubt..first thing we sh0uld bear in mind is ab0ut LIFE- TEMPORARY LIFE AND INTERNAL LIFE. GOD l0ves us that he w0nt all0w us t0 be hurt. YES THIS TRUE but it seems n0t bc0z ur mean it here 0n earth. Y0u treasure ur life 0n this evil w0rld. but we must remember that Christ died and live bc0z he prepare a place f0r us after 0ur m0rtal b0dy died. A place called heaven where n0 death,sin,pain,s0rr0w,etc. Getting hurt here 0n earth d0esnt mean God never exist and n0t a l0ving God bc0z God's w0rld is n0t 0n earth but in heaven. The same f0r us,if we believe 0n Him ,0ur w0rld isnt here but 0n earth t0o.h0pe it helps u all.  A Higher Power is a very private Concept,everyone has to work out for themselves! Not something to be worn on ones Sleeve,and constantly be shouted from the Rooftops! Only time I would have to convince others of my Concept,if I am unsure,and have to seek approval by the numbers! Something we see right now in East and West,and is a good Bit responsible for the Strife we see! Goes something like this:"My God is Bigger than your God,therefore my God can beat your God,and since I am His Proxy,I'll beat your Head in if you don't immediately convert to Him! 
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