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Technically, I don't believe in a deity, so I've come to the conclusion that there is no reason to argue about whether he or she is a good guy or a monster who kills children. So who is God? You are God. I am God. At the end of the day though, there is no God. There is no omnipresent overseer judging right and wrong, good and bad, or even righteous and sacrilegious. But quantum physics has demonstrated that we are all connected. We are God. Deal with it. So you are saying g-d is a monster? |
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Technically, I don't believe in a deity, so I've come to the conclusion that there is no reason to argue about whether he or she is a good guy or a monster who kills children. So who is God? You are God. I am God. At the end of the day though, there is no God. There is no omnipresent overseer judging right and wrong, good and bad, or even righteous and sacrilegious. But quantum physics has demonstrated that we are all connected. We are God. Deal with it. So you are saying g-d is a monster? No. I am saying WE (consciousness) ARE GOD. |
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Technically, I don't believe in a deity, so I've come to the conclusion that there is no reason to argue about whether he or she is a good guy or a monster who kills children. So who is God? You are God. I am God. At the end of the day though, there is no God. There is no omnipresent overseer judging right and wrong, good and bad, or even righteous and sacrilegious. But quantum physics has demonstrated that we are all connected. We are God. Deal with it. This is one of the smarter things I've read on this thread. I agree wholeheartedly to a fault. However 4 things make me want to argue against it. 1. Religious people that insist on pushing their views unto others and converting every person within their power to do so. 2. Religious people doing everything in their power to slow down scientific advancement(because they know things like logic, facts and proof speak against their entire belief). 3. My inability to understand how grown people can go on believing in the biblical equivalent of Santa Clause, the Easter bunny and the tooth fairy. 4. Religion still having a strong hold on politics, and those same politicians that get into office in part by boasting their religious beliefs, use those same beliefs as an excuse to start wars with other countries and kill off thousands of their own countries citizens based on their twisted justification that they're all going to heaven. "I was just joshing with TB. Familiarity sets a context for certain types of terms and jokes... " Best/worst anti Semitic joke I've heard is: what's the difference between a pizza and a jew? Pizzas don't scream when ya put em in the oven :D I don't hate on good humor regardless of the topic. |
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Technically, I don't believe in a deity, so I've come to the conclusion that there is no reason to argue about whether he or she is a good guy or a monster who kills children. So who is God? You are God. I am God. At the end of the day though, there is no God. There is no omnipresent overseer judging right and wrong, good and bad, or even righteous and sacrilegious. But quantum physics has demonstrated that we are all connected. We are God. Deal with it. This is one of the smarter things I've read on this thread. I agree wholeheartedly to a fault. However 4 things make me want to argue against it. 1. Religious people that insist on pushing their views unto others and converting every person within their power to do so. 2. Religious people doing everything in their power to slow down scientific advancement(because they know things like logic, facts and proof speak against their entire belief). 3. My inability to understand how grown people can go on believing in the biblical equivalent of Santa Clause, the Easter bunny and the tooth fairy. 4. Religion still having a strong hold on politics, and those same politicians that get into office in part by boasting their religious beliefs, use those same beliefs as an excuse to start wars with other countries and kill off thousands of their own countries citizens based on their twisted justification that they're all going to heaven. "I was just joshing with TB. Familiarity sets a context for certain types of terms and jokes... " Best/worst anti Semitic joke I've heard is: what's the difference between a pizza and a jew? Pizzas don't scream when ya put em in the oven :D I don't hate on good humor regardless of the topic. thats a bit over for me,,,smh |
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"Lewis Black is jewish, so I am assuming he can get away with it." Although I've seen comedians take pot shots at all races including Jews. Lewis Black is very funny. Search him on youtube. |
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Edited by
Jeanniebean
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Mon 05/27/13 05:09 PM
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This is one of the smarter things I've read on this thread. I agree wholeheartedly to a fault. However 4 things make me want to argue against it. 1. Religious people that insist on pushing their views unto others and converting every person within their power to do so. You know better, so don't let it effect you. When you react, you are giving away your power. 2. Religious people doing everything in their power to slow down scientific advancement(because they know things like logic, facts and proof speak against their entire belief). Science still does not have it right so why take sides? Eventually it will all make perfect sense. 3. My inability to understand how grown people can go on believing in the biblical equivalent of Santa Clause, the Easter bunny and the tooth fairy. You probably should not be concerned with what other grown people believe, but if that is what you like to do, or place your attention on, you will. 4. Religion still having a strong hold on politics, and those same politicians that get into office in part by boasting their religious beliefs, use those same beliefs as an excuse to start wars with other countries and kill off thousands of their own countries citizens based on their twisted justification that they're all going to heaven. Politicians probably just pretend to be religious to get votes. It is all a game. What you complain and rail about you help to create. Don't sweat the stupid stuff. Your own personal growth is all that matters.  DON'T TRY OR EXPECT TO CONVERT THEM EITHER.  Everything will make sense eventually. |
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This is one of the smarter things I've read on this thread. I agree wholeheartedly to a fault. However 4 things make me want to argue against it. 1. Religious people that insist on pushing their views unto others and converting every person within their power to do so. You know better, so don't let it effect you. When you react, you are giving away your power. 2. Religious people doing everything in their power to slow down scientific advancement(because they know things like logic, facts and proof speak against their entire belief). Science still does not have it right so why take sides? Eventually it will all make perfect sense. 3. My inability to understand how grown people can go on believing in the biblical equivalent of Santa Clause, the Easter bunny and the tooth fairy. You probably should not be concerned with what other grown people believe, but if that is what you like to do, or place your attention on, you will. 4. Religion still having a strong hold on politics, and those same politicians that get into office in part by boasting their religious beliefs, use those same beliefs as an excuse to start wars with other countries and kill off thousands of their own countries citizens based on their twisted justification that they're all going to heaven. Politicians probably just pretend to be religious to get votes. It is all a game. What you complain and rail about you help to create. Don't sweat the stupid stuff. Your own personal growth is all that matters. DON'T TRY OR EXPECT TO CONVERT THEM EITHER. Everything will make sense eventually. Well Said! Bravo! 
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Edited by
Lazarus102
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Tue 05/28/13 01:54 PM
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This is one of the smarter things I've read on this thread. I agree wholeheartedly to a fault. However 4 things make me want to argue against it. 1. Religious people that insist on pushing their views unto others and converting every person within their power to do so. You know better, so don't let it effect you. When you react, you are giving away your power. 2. Religious people doing everything in their power to slow down scientific advancement(because they know things like logic, facts and proof speak against their entire belief). Science still does not have it right so why take sides? Eventually it will all make perfect sense. 3. My inability to understand how grown people can go on believing in the biblical equivalent of Santa Clause, the Easter bunny and the tooth fairy. You probably should not be concerned with what other grown people believe, but if that is what you like to do, or place your attention on, you will. 4. Religion still having a strong hold on politics, and those same politicians that get into office in part by boasting their religious beliefs, use those same beliefs as an excuse to start wars with other countries and kill off thousands of their own countries citizens based on their twisted justification that they're all going to heaven. Politicians probably just pretend to be religious to get votes. It is all a game. What you complain and rail about you help to create. Don't sweat the stupid stuff. Your own personal growth is all that matters. DON'T TRY OR EXPECT TO CONVERT THEM EITHER. Everything will make sense eventually. Well Said! Bravo! Nice profile pic, lol! Science has more right than religion ever will. Every discovery made in science puts it a step ahead of religion because religion is nothing but false interpretations of a fairy tail. I personally find that some of the best comedians are George Carlin(RIP), Bill Maher and Ricky Gervais. The 3 of them really tell it the best when it comes to religion. "Politicians probably just pretend to be religious to get votes. It is all a game. " A common claim by religious folks, cuz a lot of religious people aren't proud of what politicians do in the name of their god. Ironic part is the bulk of the votes that put those people in office came from the religious people that wanted a religious person in office. If ya want someone in office that thinks with their head, vote an atheist in. Its possible to have proper morals without believing in a god, I believe humanity had evolved at least that much. As stated by Bill Maher "if we had a president who didn't believe people go to heaven when they die, he might not be so willing to let them get killed in Iraq." He also makes a handful of good points in this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HyHhAoxTXKI "What you complain and rail about you help to create." If this was a discussion about Justin Bieber then your argument may hold some merit, but I'm fairly sure I'm not adding additional undue popularity to god my writing into single thread on the internet. People(over the age of 18) that don't know what god is by now have to be more blind than those who follow him. "You know better, so don't let it effect you. When you react, you are giving away your power." Absence of reaction is non-use of power, what good is power if it is not used? Knowledge is power, and the knowledge harnessed by those intellectually evolved enough to move on from silly concepts like god and religion, really should be passed on. This video here I found to be quite enlightening and should be watched by anyone that scoffs at the idea of the non-existence of religion. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=88GTUXvp-50 |
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Edited by
Jeanniebean
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"What you complain and rail about you help to create." <--- this is about the law of attention and how you create your own personal (perspective of) reality by what you place your attention on.
Not only that, when you publish your complaints for others to see, you draw even more attention and energy to that reality, getting others to help perpetuate it. Everyone has their own perspective. The more you place your attention on something the more you perpetuate it in your reality. The more you get others to put their attention on it, the more they help you perpetuate reality. That is why you are god. You create and co-create reality itself. This is also backed up by quantum physics. (Science) If you don't observe a particle, it becomes a wave, connected to everything. If you do observe it, then it becomes a particle. Take your attention away from it, and it turns back into a wave. You create reality. You are god. Deal with it. |
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Edited by
Jeanniebean
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Tue 05/28/13 04:56 PM
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"You know better, so don't let it effect you. When you react, you are giving away your power." Absence of reaction is non-use of power, what good is power if it is not used? Knowledge is power, and the knowledge harnessed by those intellectually evolved enough to move on from silly concepts like god and religion, really should be passed on. "Absence of reaction is non-use of power." <------ Incorrect. If someone can get your reaction from what they say, do or think, then they have power over you. By complaining about them or about religion on this thread, you would like to get a reaction or an argument or some kind of response correct? What if no one reacted? What if no one responded? Who then would you have power over? What then would you accomplish? "What good is power if it is not used? The best power you have is in what you place your attention on. The power you have is that you can chose how or what you will react (or not react to.) The power you have is that you can chose what you will feel. That is your greatest power. Knowledge is power, and the knowledge harnessed by those intellectually evolved enough to move on from silly concepts like god and religion, really should be passed on. So you want to influence their beliefs, change their minds, convert them. You convince yourself that you are just trying to "educate" them, but you insult them by calling their beliefs "silly" and comparing their God to "Santa Claus." All flowers will open in their own time. Consider the idea that everyone will become enlightened in their own time and in their own way. Unless of course you just enjoy the struggle and frustration. Peace.  |
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Edited by
IntellectualGenius
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Oh and "IntellectualGenius" you offered a few narrow-minded sentences to the argument, it seems to me that you're more condescending than intellectual. True intellectuals think outside of the box, your views are obviously very inside the box and your argument(if it can even be called that) is small, empty and once again just refers back to that badly misinterpreted book. Would I persuade you that dragons exist if I pointed you to a very convincing book on dragons? From the few words you've spoken here I'd put msharmony ahead of you on the genius poll.(not meant as an attack on msharmony, just at "IntellectualGenius" falling short on his claims). ------------------------------------------------------------------ Unfortunately, YOU are a fool among the ignorant masses of man-made religion. Believe it or not, you are a religious idiot in every bit of the word, indulged in your biased beliefs of deception.. Once again, you fall short of wisdom, yet you rise in strength through ignorance. ha! Oh, and God has no religion. Remember, man created religion to rule the population. Obviously, you believe in it as much as the next mindless zombie (Oh, you believe in zombies? I'm sure you'd accept it as a theory, right?), but it is just merely a slightly different form of control. Yes, I know dragons do exist.. ever heard of the "Komodo dragon?" Don't be so blatantly ignorant in your next reply, buddy.. If you want you can at your own discretion, but I don't want to laugh at you.. I simply want to awaken the unconscious mind within you.. Oh? "badly misinterpreted book" The Bible is "interpreted" knowledge; everyone has their own "experience" and "revelation" when indulging themselves in one of the most fascinating and historically accurate artifacts of our time. These "experiences" and "revelations" are called, "man-made." -Merica A Relic "Ultimately enthralling & entertaining" |
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Edited by
Lazarus102
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Wed 05/29/13 01:37 AM
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My bad, it should have read "absence of action is non-use of power." not reaction. If I sit and do nothing I'd be no better than the so-called "god" that I protest. Let's play out this scenario, a scenario in which the bible was about modern day times instead of playing on people's minds with stories about magic and fairy tails. The bible, a story about nothing more than a bunch of people following an invisible deity based on nothing more than faith. Would so many people be so quick to follow a god that has never shown action. If you are so persistent in the belief that we are gods, then I choose to show action for a god that does not show action will ultimately be alone, like a wallflower at a party; no one follows the guy standing in the corner stewing over his own beliefs.
I don't consider calling religious people "silly" as insulting them, if you seen a guy running down the street flailing his arms around then would you not say "look, he's being silly!". It's not an insult if it's the truth. A long time ago people thought the earth was flat, the more educated people that knew it was round may have thought those people to be "silly" and they would have been correct. Religious people spout their beliefs off every day trying to convert people, so how am I any worse for doing the same. Only difference is that my beliefs are based on science and fact, not clinging on to an ancient and dying concept. "one of the most fascinating and historically accurate artifacts of our time." that's an opinion based on your own religious beliefs. That compilation of books was written so long ago that there's no possible way of validating much of any of it. Yes I know of the komodo dragon, obviously I was speaking of the dragons of myth. Ones that fly and burn down villages with their fiery breath.(nice dodge on the question though.) God has no religion, that's true enough, even a high priest has spoken those words. But people still follow it and religion is all based on interpretations from the bible and the bible was written by man following the teachings of god. So the entire argument between god and religion is pretty redundant. "Unfortunately, YOU are a fool among the ignorant masses of man-made religion. Believe it or not, you are a religious idiot in every bit of the word, indulged in your biased beliefs of deception.. " Really, I wasn't aware that atheism was a religion. Fairly sure the more accurate description of it is "lack of religion". My comment against your intellect was based on my disappointment in your previous harshly lacking argument; I'm able to name about a thousand reasons why god either does not exist or is a horrible corrupt deity, while the only arguments on the side of religion are the bible and your faith. "I consider myself one of the most brilliant minds among the living world" With claims like that you'd better have something to back it up. I'd really like someone to watch this video before commenting again. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=88GTUXvp-50 |
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I agree with you about so many human's having a fear of death, so in that instance they may turn to god. Others have a mid-life crisis, and suddenly feel that if they don't re-live their youthful times, they will die soon. I don't get that.
. I accept that I'm getting older and there's nothing I can do to change that. As for suicidal's, unless you've been suicidal yourself, you may not see why they'd feel like turning to god, but the reason may be more overwhelming than you'd know. Suicidal people need people who care. They're in the midst of losing their life. Why on earth that isn't understandable is beyond me. And most of those pills, don't just suddenly make it go away.
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Edited by
Lazarus102
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I agree with you about so many human's having a fear of death, so in that instance they may turn to god. Others have a mid-life crisis, and suddenly feel that if they don't re-live their youthful times, they will die soon. I don't get that. . I accept that I'm getting older and there's nothing I can do to change that. As for suicidal's, unless you've been suicidal yourself, you may not see why they'd feel like turning to god, but the reason may be more overwhelming than you'd know. Suicidal people need people who care. They're in the midst of losing their life. Why on earth that isn't understandable is beyond me. And most of those pills, don't just suddenly make it go away. Some extremes I can reason with, suicidal people need something to believe in the same way that people that have gone through a lot of traumatic experiences may have a good excuse to be drunks. But outside the realm of mental health issues, I just don't see a good excuse for either one(drunks or religious fanatics). Everyone is going to die and the sooner we come to terms with that, the better. It's best to face that fear head on and put that fear into something constructive, like medical/neurological science to help prolong our lives. Religious people are comparable to those people in slasher films that run helplessly from death and wind up in a corner cringing before getting sliced to bits. Those working to improve on medical science are the thinkers in that scenario they would grab a knife, setup an ambush or just plain fight with everything they have in order to survive. |
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Lazarus102 if you believe the problem is religious zealots or religion in general then perhaps you should turn your scientific or investigative skills towards proving that the entire story of Abraham and King David is pure fiction. It is possible there was/is a motive for the writing of this story.
Proof that Abraham and King David were real historical characters does not exist, but proving the story is fiction is what would be required. This would discredit three major Abrahamic religions in the world today. Perhaps the proof of this is hidden in the Vatican or deep below the original Temple Mount. The problem still remaining would be getting the word out and/or convincing people (against their will) that they are wrong. People would rather crucify the truth tellers than change their core belief systems. Each person has their personal reasons for believing what they believe and that includes you and me, but beliefs can change. I like to think I don't commit 100% to a belief of anything so I have decided to detach myself from any belief held by my ego at all and view them with a grain of salt. See if you can change the world... until you grow tired of that occupation. The truth is so much stranger than what religions are telling people. Science does not know the truth, but they are getting closer. Some have discovered pieces of it and are astounded at what they have found because they simply can't explain it. |
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Lazarus102 if you believe the problem is religious zealots or religion in general then perhaps you should turn your scientific or investigative skills towards proving that the entire story of Abraham and King David is pure fiction. It is possible there was/is a motive for the writing of this story. Proof that Abraham and King David were real historical characters does not exist, but proving the story is fiction is what would be required. This would discredit three major Abrahamic religions in the world today. Perhaps the proof of this is hidden in the Vatican or deep below the original Temple Mount. The problem still remaining would be getting the word out and/or convincing people (against their will) that they are wrong. People would rather crucify the truth tellers than change their core belief systems. Each person has their personal reasons for believing what they believe and that includes you and me, but beliefs can change. I like to think I don't commit 100% to a belief of anything so I have decided to detach myself from any belief held by my ego at all and view them with a grain of salt. See if you can change the world... until you grow tired of that occupation. The truth is so much stranger than what religions are telling people. Science does not know the truth, but they are getting closer. Some have discovered pieces of it and are astounded at what they have found because they simply can't explain it. 
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Lazarus102 if you believe the problem is religious zealots or religion in general then perhaps you should turn your scientific or investigative skills towards proving that the entire story of Abraham and King David is pure fiction. It is possible there was/is a motive for the writing of this story. Proof that Abraham and King David were real historical characters does not exist, but proving the story is fiction is what would be required. This would discredit three major Abrahamic religions in the world today. Perhaps the proof of this is hidden in the Vatican or deep below the original Temple Mount. The problem still remaining would be getting the word out and/or convincing people (against their will) that they are wrong. People would rather crucify the truth tellers than change their core belief systems. Each person has their personal reasons for believing what they believe and that includes you and me, but beliefs can change. I like to think I don't commit 100% to a belief of anything so I have decided to detach myself from any belief held by my ego at all and view them with a grain of salt. See if you can change the world... until you grow tired of that occupation. The truth is so much stranger than what religions are telling people. Science does not know the truth, but they are getting closer. Some have discovered pieces of it and are astounded at what they have found because they simply can't explain it. LOL! There is a George Carlin routine about a guy with a big white beard who lives in the clouds (the bible actually states he lives in darkness) who has this list of ten things that you should not do and if you do them, he will throw you into a pit of everlasting fire, where you burn and be tortured with brimstone up your bum forever and ever and ever, BUT he loves you! |
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Lazarus102 if you believe the problem is religious zealots or religion in general then perhaps you should turn your scientific or investigative skills towards proving that the entire story of Abraham and King David is pure fiction. It is possible there was/is a motive for the writing of this story. Proof that Abraham and King David were real historical characters does not exist, but proving the story is fiction is what would be required. This would discredit three major Abrahamic religions in the world today. Perhaps the proof of this is hidden in the Vatican or deep below the original Temple Mount. The problem still remaining would be getting the word out and/or convincing people (against their will) that they are wrong. People would rather crucify the truth tellers than change their core belief systems. Each person has their personal reasons for believing what they believe and that includes you and me, but beliefs can change. I like to think I don't commit 100% to a belief of anything so I have decided to detach myself from any belief held by my ego at all and view them with a grain of salt. See if you can change the world... until you grow tired of that occupation. The truth is so much stranger than what religions are telling people. Science does not know the truth, but they are getting closer. Some have discovered pieces of it and are astounded at what they have found because they simply can't explain it. LOL! There is a George Carlin routine about a guy with a big white beard who lives in the clouds (the bible actually states he lives in darkness) who has this list of ten things that you should not do and if you do them, he will throw you into a pit of everlasting fire, where you burn and be tortured with brimstone up your bum forever and ever and ever, BUT he loves you!
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Yes God Loves me, this I know because I am THAT and I love me.
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Edited by
RKISIT
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Wed 05/29/13 04:39 PM
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I'll just pretend that a god exist and since i pick on the abrahamic mythology i'll pick the christian trinity god.
Ok i die and go to the land of make believe kingdom of heaven and i'm in front of the 3 amigos(god,jesus and the holy spirit)god says you didn't put your faith in me so you're going to suffer eternal damnation".My rebuttal would be "wait i didn't worship any other god either so what's your point?What happened to free will there buddy?" So anyways i get poofed into hell and satan is there.He says "haha i have your soul and i can't wait to watch you suffer."Then i say "wait,i thought the multiple personality trinity god was a loving god." What would satan say to me then?"He isn't" |
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