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Topic: R we born bad or we make ourselve bad!
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Sat 09/07/13 07:59 PM
God has created everybody innocence our like a flower but we ourselves spoiling us may be due to environment,bad friends,situations etc.


it happens,we are not bad but still nothing happens good to life, Does it means not fair being good?

Every thing changed with changes of time, Does definition of being good
needs to be changed?

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Sat 09/07/13 08:21 PM
Nobody is born good or bad.

We are just born with the capability to learn either from the world around us.

Seaoftranquility's photo
Sat 09/07/13 08:49 PM
Scrap the words good and bad. We live in a world where things are favourable to us or unfavourable, but you can not have one w/o the other. You can out have ying w/o yang, both are needed to see the mosaic of life.

sybariticguy's photo
Sat 09/07/13 08:51 PM
psychiatric disorders eliminate personal responsibility and people are capable of tremendous and hideous crimes...Obviously life is not fair and human behavior has a definitive duality of good and evil and that begs the question of personal responsibility doesnt it?

navygirl's photo
Sun 09/08/13 01:33 PM
No one is born bad but I think people get to the point that they simply can't take anymore of the crap life throws at them and then they decide that being nice doesn't get you ahead; well at least that is how I am feeling lately.

msharmony's photo
Sun 09/08/13 02:43 PM
I don't believe there are 'good and bad' people

just people who do both good and bad things,,,

KinBarrie's photo
Sun 09/08/13 02:53 PM
Maybe a lot of people are more susceptible to
satan and his minion's ways, than some others
are?

They give in easy to hate, greed, lust etc, while
some others who are nicer natured and more morally
grounded, are more able to shake off their enticements?

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Mon 09/09/13 01:38 AM

I don't believe there are 'good and bad' people

just people who do both good and bad things,,,


:smile:
flowerforyou
I appreciate your cool words.

SparklingCrystal 💖💎's photo
Tue 09/10/13 02:40 AM

Maybe a lot of people are more susceptible to
satan and his minion's ways, than some others
are?

They give in easy to hate, greed, lust etc, while
some others who are nicer natured and more morally
grounded, are more able to shake off their enticements?

Freaky that you have to come up with the devil again ...

kbcleveland's photo
Tue 09/10/13 08:49 AM
Sometimes life makes good people do bad things in order to accomplish what they need to accomplish..

KinBarrie's photo
Tue 09/10/13 09:08 AM


Maybe a lot of people are more susceptible to
satan and his minion's ways, than some others
are?

They give in easy to hate, greed, lust etc, while
some others who are nicer natured and more morally
grounded, are more able to shake off their enticements?

Freaky that you have to come up with the devil again ...


I only do that CF, because satan is the orchestrator
behind everything that is evil and bad. I'm not going
to start to preach to you, but that is just the way
it is.


misswright's photo
Tue 09/10/13 09:49 AM
The age old nature vs nurture debate. It's not really a debate anymore though. It's become clear that it's a combination of both genetics and life experience, not either or, that is responsible for explaining human behavior, good or bad. I have studied this extensively while attaining my BS degree in biobehavioral psychology. Basically it's the study of how brain structure and function relates to behavior.

I believe that people's genetics play a huge role in how we turn out. It's been noted that serial killers have a significant deficit in one particular region of the brain responsible for emotion. They lack the ability to have empathy. The connections are just not there. So are they 'born' bad? Sorta, though not necessarily, but they definitely have a higher propensity to end up bad, depending on the environment they encounter throughout their life.

We are all wired differently. We all have a range of abilities determined by our genetics, and where we end up on that range is determined by the associations we make from stimuli in the environment, both positive and negative. Because of the complexity of the brain, it's impossible to determine which is most responsible for behavior...how we're biologically composed or what we learn through experience.

I don't think people are born good or bad, just like I don't think it's a case of nature or nurture to explain positive and negative behaviors. I think people TEND to be good or TEND to be bad based in part on how they're wired, and in part on what they experience in life.

Johm Locke subscribed to the philosophy of tabula rasa, that all humans are born a blank slate and acquire all knowledge through experience. It's not totally true, but it's dang close. People aren't good or bad, we all just learn good and bad behaviors, and then CHOOSE how to respond in particular situations.

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Tue 09/10/13 10:33 AM
Circumstance plays a big part I'm sure. If a young boy is traumatized he probably won't be the person he was set out to be.

But sometimes we hear of people that had happy lives, only then to go out and do something terrible.


navygirl's photo
Tue 09/10/13 10:47 AM

Sometimes life makes good people do bad things in order to accomplish what they need to accomplish..


Totally agree. :thumbsup:

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Tue 09/10/13 11:13 AM
MissWright, I think your right and ty for typing all of that for me.
J/k. : )
Soul

Traumer's photo
Tue 09/10/13 11:28 AM

Sometimes life makes good people do bad things in order to accomplish what they need to accomplish..



Absolutely as also many 'good people',(good being relative) make a lulu conscious decision to go ahead and do 'bad things' in order to advance their careers, such as those entering politics will be wide open for bribes, lying, etc. Same for many other professions that are on the top positions that most people do not trust as being honest; lawyers, cops, intelligence operatives, used car salespeople, realtors, the list is virtually endless . One category is those generally classified as being 'poor' which is a shame but who can blame them all for trying to get ahead by whatever they can fool the system with in a society that seems a certain amount of 'poor' , just as a certain amount of unemployed, unskilled workers just to name a few. Same with needing working people in debt, same for those wanting to attend college and universities must incur large debt loads and no one seems to want free collie or university education as in Europe...same with free universal health care, a simple human right...People here seem absolutely scared to death of those systems that actually help the most people possible...

misswright's photo
Tue 09/10/13 12:10 PM


Sometimes life makes good people do bad things in order to accomplish what they need to accomplish..


Totally agree. :thumbsup:


Respectfully disagree with both of you. Life doesn't make anybody do anything. People have a choice how they behave, good or bad. If they have to do something bad to accomplish what they need to accomplish, then I have to question if the accomplishment is really that necessary in the first place. Doesn't seem like anything worthwhile could come from doing something bad, especially if it involves hurting someone else to accomplish it.

We can't control what life throws at us but we can control how we respond. Saying "Well life made me do it!" is a complete cop out! I go by the old adage "two wrongs don't make a right". I'll accomplish what I need (and want) to accomplish without doing bad things no matter what life throws my way. But that's just me and I'm odd. ohwell

misswright's photo
Tue 09/10/13 12:21 PM

MissWright, I think your right and ty for typing all of that for me.
J/k. : )
Soul


Thanks, I think. :tongue: laugh

At least I know someone read 'all of that'! And you get what I'm saying too, so bonus! :banana:


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Tue 09/10/13 01:49 PM
I'm a good guy with a bad attitude at times...
:laughing:

navygirl's photo
Tue 09/10/13 07:26 PM
Edited by navygirl on Tue 09/10/13 07:29 PM



Sometimes life makes good people do bad things in order to accomplish what they need to accomplish..


Totally agree. :thumbsup:


Respectfully disagree with both of you. Life doesn't make anybody do anything. People have a choice how they behave, good or bad. If they have to do something bad to accomplish what they need to accomplish, then I have to question if the accomplishment is really that necessary in the first place. Doesn't seem like anything worthwhile could come from doing something bad, especially if it involves hurting someone else to accomplish it.

We can't control what life throws at us but we can control how we respond. Saying "Well life made me do it!" is a complete cop out! I go by the old adage "two wrongs don't make a right". I'll accomplish what I need (and want) to accomplish without doing bad things no matter what life throws my way. But that's just me and I'm odd. ohwell


Feel free to disagree but life can make good people behave badly. An example is someone who is starving or has a starving family who steals food. Yeah; there is some limited help out there to feed families but I can tell you from experience that there were days in my family that we didn't eat. I personally didn't steal food but I know of some members of my family that did. Another example is killing someone. If someone threatened my life or my family; I would do what ever is necessary to protect them even if it meant killing. Killing is wrong but sometimes we need to do what we have to.

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