Topic: Congressional Republicans crazy?
Dodo_David's photo
Thu 10/03/13 01:39 PM
The last time that I checked, two wrongs do not make a right.

So, I am perplexed at the decision by congressional Republicans to go for a shut-down or a "slim down" of the U.S. government for the reason that they have given.

I understand supporting such an action for a worthy cause, but I am not certain that congressional Republicans have a worthy cause this time.



Toodygirl5's photo
Thu 10/03/13 01:49 PM
"Defund ACA" is the Only reason. ACA is already Law! whoa
GOP Cann't get their way, So just hurt people.

Dodo_David's photo
Thu 10/03/13 01:59 PM
The ACA has hurt people, too. However, shutting down the federal government is the wrong way to go about getting rid of a bad law.

Toodygirl5's photo
Thu 10/03/13 02:09 PM
GOP says it is a bad Law! Yet they hurt people. And the Law will continue and GOP gains nothing. ACA has helped many.

Toodygirl5's photo
Thu 10/03/13 02:09 PM
Edited by Toodygirl5 on Thu 10/03/13 02:12 PM
Wonder if the OBama haters are happy with the shutdown!

lilott's photo
Thu 10/03/13 02:30 PM

Wonder if the OBama haters are happy with the shutdown!
You bet I am. We would be better off without any government.

TJN's photo
Thu 10/03/13 03:03 PM

GOP says it is a bad Law! Yet they hurt people. And the Law will continue and GOP gains nothing. ACA has helped many.

Who has it helped?
The ACA has helped no one yet. It's not even implemented yet. And those who are signing up for it won't even be covered until 2014.

The president himself said the law isn't perfect.
He has giving wavers and exemptions that aren't part of the law.
So if it's ok for the president to change what is writen in the law why can't congress?
All you say is the republicans want to defund it. That was the first attempt and taken off the table.
They tried 3 other times without the part of defunding it and senate democrats refused all 3.
So as I see it the democrats are being the party of NO and are the cause of the government shut down.

Sojourning_Soul's photo
Thu 10/03/13 03:56 PM
Edited by Sojourning_Soul on Thu 10/03/13 04:12 PM

GOP says it is a bad Law! Yet they hurt people. And the Law will continue and GOP gains nothing. ACA has helped many.


You don't have a clue what you are talking about do you?

ACA hasn't even be implemented, and as the signup process begins everyone is finding out how bad it is, even worse than they thought!

The people will suffer more under this monstrocity than you can imagine, and portions do more against civil liberties than believed as well.

Shock: Obamacare fines to be seized directly from Americans' bank accounts

http://www.naturalnews.com/042326_Obamacare_fines_bank_accounts_asset_seizure.html#

So on top of this you think layoffs, job loss, reduced hours and pay, loss of benefits, and a new mandated "tax" on top of the losses already being suffered is a good thing for people? slaphead

How much will it be costing you under the exchanges now for your insurance?

The shutdown is a GREAT thing! For the 1st time in years the debt clock is actually subtracting in some areas for a change!

Dodo_David's photo
Thu 10/03/13 05:30 PM
Sure, the ACA is troublesome at best, but is that sufficient reason to shut down the U.S. government?

Bestinshow's photo
Thu 10/03/13 05:58 PM
The republicans have painted themselves into a corner and cannot find a way out that is less than humiliating. I hope this is the final nail in the coffin of the republican party as it is and something good rises from the ashes. Something that is good for all people and not just the top 1%.

Sojourning_Soul's photo
Thu 10/03/13 06:35 PM

Sure, the ACA is troublesome at best, but is that sufficient reason to shut down the U.S. government?


It's far from shut down. All the graft is still flowing in all the corrupt...er uh....correct places.

One thing this is showing is just how much gov't has gotten their hooks into.

Mortman's photo
Thu 10/03/13 10:40 PM
Edited by Mortman on Thu 10/03/13 10:41 PM

Who has it helped?
The ACA has helped no one yet. It's not even implemented yet. And those who are signing up for it won't even be covered until 2014.

The president himself said the law isn't perfect.
He has giving wavers and exemptions that aren't part of the law.
So if it's ok for the president to change what is writen in the law why can't congress?
All you say is the republicans want to defund it. That was the first attempt and taken off the table.
They tried 3 other times without the part of defunding it and senate democrats refused all 3.
So as I see it the democrats are being the party of NO and are the cause of the government shut down.

Guess you missed the part where students, up to age 26 could suddenly stay on their parents' health insurance. Before, it was capped at 23. Then, over the past year, insurance companies were barred from dropping customers currently in treatment. I haven't seen any real statistics, but being that it's a nationwide law, with over 100 million people insured, there are probably thousands, if not millions helped just by those two provisions already in effect.

TJN's photo
Fri 10/04/13 04:02 AM
Edited by TJN on Fri 10/04/13 04:05 AM
I haven't seen any real statistics, but being that it's a nationwide law, with over 100 million people insured, there are probably thousands, if not millions helped just by those two provisions already in effect.


PROBABLY? I'll give you it has helped some.
But what about those who took cuts in hours at their job?
How many 23 to 26 year olds get sick and use insurance?
How many 23 to 26 year olds do t have jobs and their own insurance plans?

I'll give you those are some good points about the law.
But what about the other points?
Congress's subsidy, and medical equipment tax?

Sojourning_Soul's photo
Fri 10/04/13 04:23 AM
Edited by Sojourning_Soul on Fri 10/04/13 04:24 AM

I haven't seen any real statistics, but being that it's a nationwide law, with over 100 million people insured, there are probably thousands, if not millions helped just by those two provisions already in effect.


PROBABLY? I'll give you it has helped some.
But what about those who took cuts in hours at their job?
How many 23 to 26 year olds get sick and use insurance?
How many 23 to 26 year olds do t have jobs and their own insurance plans?

I'll give you those are some good points about the law.
But what about the other points?
Congress's subsidy, and medical equipment tax?



You forgot the part about privacy issues, home invasions....er uh...inspections, real ID/national registration, forfeiture, making your Dr like a parole officer instead of you physician, restrictions on procedures, the lies about "nothing changing", the "control tax"....

This isn't about care or being affordable, it's about control!

metalwing's photo
Fri 10/04/13 04:38 AM
Obama changed the law (Obamacare) after it was passed. He does not have the constitutional ability to do this. It makes the rest of the law illegal under the constitution (Equal protection). Congress has every right to defund anything and everything in the government.

For most of the history of America, Congress passed individual funding bills for whatever the government supported. This new requirement of "all or nothing" is a political ploy designed to hide bad crap among everything else...

no photo
Fri 10/04/13 06:10 AM

Wonder if the OBama haters are happy with the shutdown!


This is not the first time a government shutdown has occurred and it's not about Obama....There were several shutdowns during the Ford, Carter, Clinton, Reagan, and GW Bush administration too...Get over it....whoa


Drivinmenutz's photo
Fri 10/04/13 01:48 PM

The republicans have painted themselves into a corner and cannot find a way out that is less than humiliating. I hope this is the final nail in the coffin of the republican party as it is and something good rises from the ashes. Something that is good for all people and not just the top 1%.


You are right, republicans have painted themselves in a corner. Had they been smart, they would have let this ACA through. If the system failed, it could become ammo in the next campaign, winning them ground.

Not sure if I would like republicans to be rid of, as they hold the democrats at bay. Either party unchecked would wreck our country in a single 4 year term...

Wish we could abolish both, and actually have elections not based on a party system, but on actual ideals, plans, and information.