jock rituals,, I couldn't understand,,,lol

seems dumb to me too,, but , IM no jock,,

Ritual, tradition, right of passage.

That just goes with the wussification of people.

When I went through airborne school and graduated we had a tradition of getting "blood wings"
Where at graduation the jump masters would hold your winds to your chest and punch them in so they stuck to your chest. Then you had some whine and cry about it and they no longer do it. If you ask me it created a stronger bond of brotherhood between us. But hey what do I know.

How old were you when you graduated Airborne School?.....Sincere question TJ

Ritual, tradition, right of passage.

That just goes with the wussification of people.

When I went through airborne school and graduated we had a tradition of getting "blood wings"
Where at graduation the jump masters would hold your winds to your chest and punch them in so they stuck to your chest. Then you had some whine and cry about it and they no longer do it. If you ask me it created a stronger bond of brotherhood between us. But hey what do I know.

sounds pretty stupid

Ritual, tradition, right of passage.

That just goes with the wussification of people.

When I went through airborne school and graduated we had a tradition of getting "blood wings"
Where at graduation the jump masters would hold your winds to your chest and punch them in so they stuck to your chest. Then you had some whine and cry about it and they no longer do it. If you ask me it created a stronger bond of brotherhood between us. But hey what do I know.

Not about to get into a pizzing match with a tough guy like you, but your words and attitude are a HUGE part of the problem and why so many young "children" are "dying" to confirm "right of passage"...Also, getting poked in the chest with a sharp object at the age of 22 is not hazing, it is childs play for wussies...

This is the result of hazing...."Hank Nuwer Chronology of Hazing Deaths"

http://www.hanknuwer.com/hazingdeaths.html


From the article...


FYI: This list contains the minimum number of deaths from such causes. The section of the title "of hazing, initiation, and pledging-Related Accidents" is used because of legal advice due to strong attempts by interest groups to disassociate themselves from certain episodes described below. In my books I have tried to reserve the term "��hazing" for those incidents that have been so identified by state and institutional authorities. If a state hazing law has not been invoked (or a grand jury failed to indict), or if a school or victim'��s family said hazing did not occur even though the fatal occurrence closely matched standard definitions of hazing, I use the term "��Initiation and Pledging-related Accident"instead of the term "hazing."

Obviously, even with 44 laws on the books, the definition of hazing is often disputed by individuals and their organizations-��and even occasionally by grieving families of deceased pledges who prefer to think their loved ones died following "��horseplay." At the same time, some examined deaths due to alcohol use may not fall under the category of hazing. Some deaths may reveal other hazing-related deaths, including the deaths of members at the hands of other members disciplining them, deaths of members during pledge sneaks (pledges taking harsh action against members), and other less typical actions resulting in deaths.

Hi Leigh,

Are you suggesting 174 hazing deaths in 175 years... outrageously problematic?
I have no opinion on the subject... But There's one case in that list where the fellow died from a cold caught by icewater haze?

I wonder how many training recruits have died in military boot camps in the same period... I bet it's at least 10 times that figure?

Deaths, or even injury, in military training are whenever possible prevented and are not as a result of abuse, hazing, or intentional infliction of humiliation or pain. To do so would be a court martial offense of all involved.

Do recruites get injured striving to acquire strength and skills? Yes it is rigorous training to survive combat not a game or status. Hardly the same thing.

Not about to get into a pizzing match with a tough guy like you, but your words and attitude are a HUGE part of the problem and why so many young "children" are "dying" to confirm "right of passage"...Also, getting poked in the chest with a sharp object at the age of 22 is not hazing, it is childs play for wussies...

This is the result of hazing...."Hank Nuwer Chronology of Hazing Deaths"

http://www.hanknuwer.com/hazingdeaths.html


From the article...


FYI: This list contains the minimum number of deaths from such causes. The section of the title "of hazing, initiation, and pledging-Related Accidents" is used because of legal advice due to strong attempts by interest groups to disassociate themselves from certain episodes described below. In my books I have tried to reserve the term "��hazing" for those incidents that have been so identified by state and institutional authorities. If a state hazing law has not been invoked (or a grand jury failed to indict), or if a school or victim'��s family said hazing did not occur even though the fatal occurrence closely matched standard definitions of hazing, I use the term "��Initiation and Pledging-related Accident"instead of the term "hazing."

Obviously, even with 44 laws on the books, the definition of hazing is often disputed by individuals and their organizations-��and even occasionally by grieving families of deceased pledges who prefer to think their loved ones died following "��horseplay." At the same time, some examined deaths due to alcohol use may not fall under the category of hazing. Some deaths may reveal other hazing-related deaths, including the deaths of members at the hands of other members disciplining them, deaths of members during pledge sneaks (pledges taking harsh action against members), and other less typical actions resulting in deaths.

I was referring more to the referring hazing as consentual bullying.
I don't see it as bullying. I see it as what I stated above Tradition, a right of passage.
As to the hazing deaths. Should we then stop HS football because some kids have died in practices.

Why?
Then again if you haven't been through it I wouldn't expect you to understand.

It was a time honored tradition.
To me it gave me more of a sense of accomplishment.

Yeah, I am...I consider one unnecessary death problematic, not to mention the injuries both physical and psychological....What is the purpose, what excuse can you make that would would justify even one death?......Yeah, me and 44 other state consider hazing outrageously problematic....And your analogy is....well, it has no merit John....