Apparently our prisons are over crowded. I guess people are not too fussed about going to prison anymore then. So I was thinking that maybe we should do what the Russians did by sending them all to a place far away like Siberia. That way they won't be a burden on the tax payer because they will be made to work for their grub etc.

Some good points you make there missharmony but I'd like to make a small point about the one on drugs if that's alright. Rehabilitating them is not a good idea as far as I'm concerned. Too many go back to taking drugs again. So it's a waste of energy and money. I got a better idea; these people obviously don't care about their well being, so why not use them as ginnie pigs? I bet scientists are getting fed up with working on rats all day long. Medicine would advance much quicker using human subjects.

Some good points you make there missharmony but I'd like to make a small point about the one on drugs if that's alright. Rehabilitating them is not a good idea as far as I'm concerned. Too many go back to taking drugs again. So it's a waste of energy and money. I got a better idea; these people obviously don't care about their well being, so why not use them as ginnie pigs? I bet scientists are getting fed up with working on rats all day long. Medicine would advance much quicker using human subjects.

Some good points you make there missharmony but I'd like to make a small point about the one on drugs if that's alright. Rehabilitating them is not a good idea as far as I'm concerned. Too many go back to taking drugs again. So it's a waste of energy and money. I got a better idea; these people obviously don't care about their well being, so why not use them as ginnie pigs? I bet scientists are getting fed up with working on rats all day long. Medicine would advance much quicker using human subjects.

I think let the punishment fit the crime would be a better place to start

for instance,, in 2010

47 percent of inmates were in for violent offenses
that's where they should be , with each other, away from the public that they could physically harm and subject to the same fear of harm that they placed upon their victim


16.7 were in for property offenses

a waste of money, this is the type of crime that should have a labor punishment to pay back the value of the property destroyed or taken



13.4 were for public order

another waste of money, again the type of crime that should have a community service punishment to amend for the disturbance to the community




21.7 were drug related

another waste of money, if people bother other peoples property or safety or 'peace' , there should be a consequence but those who use drugs take the consequence upon themselves unless they cross over into one of the other CRIMES above

a rehabilitation would be more productive than an incarceration

I think let the punishment fit the crime would be a better place to start

for instance,, in 2010

47 percent of inmates were in for violent offenses
that's where they should be , with each other, away from the public that they could physically harm and subject to the same fear of harm that they placed upon their victim


16.7 were in for property offenses

a waste of money, this is the type of crime that should have a labor punishment to pay back the value of the property destroyed or taken



13.4 were for public order

another waste of money, again the type of crime that should have a community service punishment to amend for the disturbance to the community




21.7 were drug related

another waste of money, if people bother other peoples property or safety or 'peace' , there should be a consequence but those who use drugs take the consequence upon themselves unless they cross over into one of the other CRIMES above

a rehabilitation would be more productive than an incarceration



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I may finally agree with you.

Incarceration for nonviolent offenses is both an unnecessary financial drain and a stigmata that proliferates the recidivism rates. Jails and prisons are not reformatories, they are crime colleges.

The statutes and sentencing guidelines need reviewed and revised where appropriate.

To the originator of this topic:

Why would it be necessary to build "slave labour camps"? Prisons already exist and they are overflowing with available manpower. But what are they to do? Build pyramids?

One other thing bears consideration. If you build a substantial industry centered on the use of slave labor you become heavily invested in the existence of crime in order to maintain your labor force. One reason the south opposed abolition is because of heavy investment in slave labor centered industries. Ending slavery meant being forced to pay wages or buy and maintain machinery. And tractors don't breed. They went to war to defend their livelihood. Doesn't it stand to reason that a state with the power to determine what constitutes a criminal act and force its will on the people would exert equal determination in preserving their profit making? Maybe you get the knock on your door one morning and are taken to the labor camp because you haven't paid your parking fines and a worker is needed on the assembly line.

Just as hiring more and more police officers, this does nothing to reduce crime. In fact, it encourages proliferation.

Another episode of one that little understands rights determining the rights of others. Entitlements to anothers' property does not extend to entitlements to curtail anothers' rights. In fact the first entitlement should be curtailed as soon as possible if not sooner, but I guess in due course,

what rights are determining rights
the point is balance where what is taken is restored

instead of just endless 'punishment'

if you steal my stuff, I would rather have you made to REPLACE it than waste the precious 'taxpayer' money to house and feed you while I still end up without my stuff,,,

isn't the point not to force 'taxpayers' to go in their pocket for any more than is necessary?

I may finally agree with you.

Incarceration for nonviolent offenses is both an unnecessary financial drain and a stigmata that proliferates the recidivism rates. Jails and prisons are not reformatories, they are crime colleges.

The statutes and sentencing guidelines need reviewed and revised where appropriate.

To the originator of this topic:

Why would it be necessary to build "slave labour camps"? Prisons already exist and they are overflowing with available manpower. But what are they to do? Build pyramids?

One other thing bears consideration. If you build a substantial industry centered on the use of slave labor you become heavily invested in the existence of crime in order to maintain your labor force. One reason the south opposed abolition is because of heavy investment in slave labor centered industries. Ending slavery meant being forced to pay wages or buy and maintain machinery. And tractors don't breed. They went to war to defend their livelihood. Doesn't it stand to reason that a state with the power to determine what constitutes a criminal act and force its will on the people would exert equal determination in preserving their profit making? Maybe you get the knock on your door one morning and are taken to the labor camp because you haven't paid your parking fines and a worker is needed on the assembly line.

Just as hiring more and more police officers, this does nothing to reduce crime. In fact, it encourages proliferation.

what rights are determining rights
the point is balance where what is taken is restored

instead of just endless 'punishment'

if you steal my stuff, I would rather have you made to REPLACE it than waste the precious 'taxpayer' money to house and feed you while I still end up without my stuff,,,

isn't the point not to force 'taxpayers' to go in their pocket for any more than is necessary?

I kinda like some of the foreign punishments. You steal, you lose a hand, then another, next a foot. Keeps the crime rate nice and low when the punishment isn't actually worth the crime.

Why do you think we get all the foreign criminal element here? Because our prisons and justice system is a joke to them, more like a career opportunity, and better than what most of them live with daily!

Gitmo, Abu Ghraib and those like them being the exceptions..... they don't want to face those kinds of charges.

Funny that if you steal from the govt, or act in any way against it, you get Gitmo, but mess with the people and you get 3 hots, a cot, color TV, a gym, internet, library, plus free medical and dental.... early retirement

Unless your caught in Texas or Arizona!

Go figure.....

smh @ no,,,,

just when I was thinking 'that guy is sort of sexy,,,'


I go and meet your family,,,,