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jesus is prophet...
god dont have children,wife,partner...he is almighty. lot peoples saying jesus is god..if jesus is god he came to us and teach us everything...but still also we are not good. jesus told to us dnt pray to any statue or stone...but now we created his statue and praying to the statue.. Think and do.... |
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Jesus Christ (peace be upon him) son of Marry peace upon him was only a messenger, not GOD. (John 5:30) ‘I (Jesus) by myself can do nothing – as I hear I judge, and my judgment is just, because I seek not my will, but the will of thy who has sent me’. (John 17:3) ‘This is eternal life, so that you may know there is one true God, and Jesus Christ, who Thou has sent.’ also from holy Qur'an : (Holy Quran 4:157) ‘That they said (in boast), “We killed Christ Jesus the son of Mary, the Messenger of Allah,” but they killed him not, nor crucified him, but so it was made to appear to them, and those who differ therein are full of doubts, with no (certain) knowledge, but only conjecture to follow, for of a surety they killed him not.’ How much more you Guys going to borrow,and twist to your purpose! Face it,regardless of your Claims,Islam is Johnny-come-Lately,the youngest of the Abrahamic Religions! It rests solely on what you have borrowed from Judaism,Christianity and the Pagan Religions in the Region! It rests solely on what you have borrowed from Judaism,Christianity and the Pagan Religions in the Region! Actually incorrect. Judaism is what was practiced by the Jews. Remember the Jews didn't believe Jesus to be the promised Messiah and are still waiting for their savior to come. It's not Christianity's fault the Jews didn't continue on into the second covenant with God. Nothing borrowed, just some didn't move forward from the fulfilled covenant into the new covenant seal with Jesus' blood. |
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Who is jesus? Bibile itself confuse about jesus. He ain't what your Imam says,and he ain't what that Christian Preacher says! tooooo much contradiction in bibile about jesus and god Too much killing in the world, >by you know who.< I wonder who next will suffer from some sensless act of bloodshed. No I don't know who??...Why don't you tell us! Oh, so you want me to spell it out, Islamic extremists, that's who |
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They changed it so many times I really don't know......
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LOl you might have never read the bible if u say "U are confused"..
 
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If god is the creator !!that means jesus is my brother!...
Now i have children !they don't have to read a book, to know i'm There father... .my presence, my doing for them, my examples...my showing them love.. .my providing for them.. .my being there for them when they need me..are some of the ways they know i am There father... .now apart from abandoning me on this world, for me to live on..... and if this! is eden...and it's all i'm supposed to need ...what's with all the other stuff in the universe..is that for me as well...i'm never going to see.. ..mercury are mars in my lifetime what's the point of. putting it up there....then......A long time ago, some zealous , fanaticals..hatched your religion to keep you Inline... .And there still using it on you !!Two this day...much like mass media.. .. . |
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If god is the creator !!that means jesus is my brother!... Now i have children !they don't have to read a book, to know i'm There father... .my presence, my doing for them, my examples...my showing them love.. .my providing for them.. .my being there for them when they need me..are some of the ways they know i am There father... .now apart from abandoning me on this world, for me to live on..... and if this! is eden...and it's all i'm supposed to need ...what's with all the other stuff in the universe..is that for me as well...i'm never going to see.. ..mercury are mars in my lifetime what's the point of. putting it up there....then......A long time ago, some zealous , fanaticals..hatched your religion to keep you Inline... .And there still using it on you !!Two this day...much like mass media.. .. . ... Jesus is God, so wouldn't make much sense for him to be your brother as well. One doesn't know God from the bible, one learns of him from there and walks with him daily if they wish to know him. And why so focused on specifically you? abandoning me on this world, for me to live on what's with all the other stuff in the universe..is that for me as well...i'm never going to see.. ..mercury are mars in my lifetime what's the point of. putting it up there It's not about you, me, or any other person. Our lives are for God, about God, and everything to do with God. |
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Ok.. so it can't be about me!!
.. but it can be all about him... .. doesn't seem very fatherly to me..! and didn'tJesus refer to God as his father.... . during the Last Supper thay bow their heads to pray.... .. if Jesus is God!!.. . who is he praying to.. himself!!.. how did that go.. I pray to myself. I give thanks to myself for this bread I'm about to eat.. I thank myself for the bounty before me... ..    |
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Edited by
CowboyGH
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Thu 07/24/14 07:52 AM
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Ok.. so it can't be about me!! .. but it can be all about him... .. doesn't seem very fatherly to me..! and didn'tJesus refer to God as his father.... . during the Last Supper thay bow their heads to pray.... .. if Jesus is God!!.. . who is he praying to.. himself!!.. how did that go.. I pray to myself. I give thanks to myself for this bread I'm about to eat.. I thank myself for the bounty before me... .. Yes, Jesus humbled himself making himself in the image of man. And in his time on Earth he referred to God as his father. Before he came in the flesh, he there is NEVER a reference of Jesus, Lord God having a father. Thus the use in the old testament of "God" and "Lord God" also keeping the verses in context. Jesus is OUR God. But you'll see he refers to the Father as HIS God and HIS father. He never once says that his father is our father or our God, only ever says HIS God and HIS father. Examples - John 20:21 (KJV) 21 Then said Jesus to them again, Peace be unto you: as my Father hath sent me, even so send I you. Matthew 27:46King (KJV) 46 And about the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani? that is to say, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me? And there's more examples of this as well through out the scriptures. But again he NEVER says OUR God or OUR Father. Jesus and the Father only have a son/father form of relation since Jesus took on a human form. In the beginning was the Word, the Word was with God and the Word was God. The word became flesh and dwelt among us. John 1 (KJV) 1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 The same was in the beginning with God. 3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. 4 In him was life; and the life was the light of men. 5 And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not. 6 There was a man sent from God, whose name was John. 7 The same came for a witness, to bear witness of the Light, that all men through him might believe. 8 He was not that Light, but was sent to bear witness of that Light. 9 That was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world. 10 He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not. 11 He came unto his own, and his own received him not. 12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: 13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God. 14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth. |
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Jesus Christ (peace be upon him) son of Marry peace upon him was only a messenger, not GOD. (John 5:30) âI (Jesus) by myself can do nothing â as I hear I judge, and my judgment is just, because I seek not my will, but the will of thy who has sent meâ. (John 17:3) âThis is eternal life, so that you may know there is one true God, and Jesus Christ, who Thou has sent.â also from holy Qur'an : (Holy Quran 4:157) âThat they said (in boast), âWe killed Christ Jesus the son of Mary, the Messenger of Allah,â but they killed him not, nor crucified him, but so it was made to appear to them, and those who differ therein are full of doubts, with no (certain) knowledge, but only conjecture to follow, for of a surety they killed him not.â How much more you Guys going to borrow,and twist to your purpose! Face it,regardless of your Claims,Islam is Johnny-come-Lately,the youngest of the Abrahamic Religions! It rests solely on what you have borrowed from Judaism,Christianity and the Pagan Religions in the Region! It rests solely on what you have borrowed from Judaism,Christianity and the Pagan Religions in the Region! Actually incorrect. Judaism is what was practiced by the Jews. Remember the Jews didn't believe Jesus to be the promised Messiah and are still waiting for their savior to come. It's not Christianity's fault the Jews didn't continue on into the second covenant with God. Nothing borrowed, just some didn't move forward from the fulfilled covenant into the new covenant seal with Jesus' blood. The Jews "didn't continue" as Jesus does not meet the criteria to be the Messiah in Jewish thought. For example, here is one objection: A version of this objection came to my attention recently in an article explaining “Why Jews don’t believe in Jesus” by Rabbi Shraga Simmons at www.aish.com. Most of the reasons given are familiar objections that can easily be refuted. But there was one point that presents a more serious challenge to Christian belief. Here’s the point as made in the article (the second part of point 2B in the article together with its footnote). I have added numbers in bold for easier reference. [1] “The Messiah must be descended on his father's side from King David (see Genesis 49:10, Isaiah 11:1, Jeremiah 23:5, 33:17; Ezekiel 34:23-24). According to the Christian claim that Jesus was the product of a virgin birth, he had no father -- and thus could not have possibly fulfilled the messianic requirement of being descended on his father's side from King David. “In response, it is claimed that Joseph adopted Jesus, and passed on his genealogy via adoption. There are two problems with this claim: “a) There is no Biblical basis for the idea of a father passing on his tribal line by adoption. A priest who adopts a son from another tribe cannot make him a priest by adoption; “b) Joseph could never pass on by adoption that which he doesn't have. Because Joseph descended from Jeconiah (Matthew 1:11) he fell under the curse of that king that none of his descendants could ever sit as king upon the throne of David. (Jeremiah 22:30; 36:30) [2] “To answer this difficult problem, apologists claim that Jesus traces himself back to King David through his mother Mary, who allegedly descends from David, as shown in the third chapter of Luke. There are four basic problems with this claim: “a) There is no evidence that Mary descends from David. The third chapter of Luke traces Joseph's genealogy, not Mary's. “b) Even if Mary can trace herself back to David, that doesn't help Jesus, since tribal affiliation goes only through the father, not mother. Cf. Numbers 1:18; Ezra 2:59. “c) Even if family line could go through the mother, Mary was not from a legitimate Messianic family. According to the Bible, the Messiah must be a descendent of David through his son Solomon (II Samuel 7:14; I Chronicles 17:11-14, 22:9-10, 28:4-6). The third chapter of Luke is irrelevant to this discussion because it describes lineage of David's son Nathan, not Solomon. (Luke 3:31) “d) Luke 3:27 lists Shealtiel and Zerubbabel in his genealogy. These two also appear in Matthew 1:12 as descendants of the cursed Jeconiah. If Mary descends from them, it would also disqualify her from being a Messianic progenitor.” |
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he is just a story made up so the kings at the time could scare the people into obaying there rules. today we have churches that want all these donations for the good of man kind but it just goes in some polititions pocket or the vadican that is so rich but wont help anyone that they preach to that us common man should help (the poor)
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no1phD
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Tue 07/29/14 07:02 PM
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John 1 (KJV) 1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 The same was in the beginning with God. 3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. 4 In him was life; and the life was the light of men. 5 And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not. 6 There was a man sent from God, whose name was John. 7 The same came for a witness, to bear witness of the Light, that all men through him might believe. 8 He was not that Light, but was sent to bear witness of that Light. 9 That was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world. 10 He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not. 11 He came unto his own, and his own received him not. 12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: 13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God. 14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth. .......end quote..This god person! sounds like he has a multiple personality disorder he also sounds a lot like my dad .jk..seriously i appreciate you taking the time to educate me ,to help me understand
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Jesus is the 1 who saved my life, and gave me purpose. In my weakest moments, he showed his strength. He is so faithful that he gave his life for me when I didnt deserve it. In countless times when I turnedy back on him, he stood waiting for me with open arms....how I love him soo..
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If you turly seek understanding, ask him for it. Until you do, I will stand in the gap and ask for you. Lord, you said if we seek we will find, if we knock you will open the door. Poor your spirit into this open heart. Remove this reprobate mind. In Jesus Name, Amen
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Wrong Question...
Who IS Jesus...that question is stated in the present tense...dead people are talked about in the past tense... Who WAS Jesus...that is the question!!! Answer: I don't care....he's dead By the way its impossible by any definition to be both God and be Dead |
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Jesus Christ (peace be upon him) son of Marry peace upon him was only a messenger, not GOD. (John 5:30) âI (Jesus) by myself can do nothing â as I hear I judge, and my judgment is just, because I seek not my will, but the will of thy who has sent meâ. (John 17:3) âThis is eternal life, so that you may know there is one true God, and Jesus Christ, who Thou has sent.â also from holy Qur'an : (Holy Quran 4:157) âThat they said (in boast), âWe killed Christ Jesus the son of Mary, the Messenger of Allah,â but they killed him not, nor crucified him, but so it was made to appear to them, and those who differ therein are full of doubts, with no (certain) knowledge, but only conjecture to follow, for of a surety they killed him not.â How much more you Guys going to borrow,and twist to your purpose! Face it,regardless of your Claims,Islam is Johnny-come-Lately,the youngest of the Abrahamic Religions! It rests solely on what you have borrowed from Judaism,Christianity and the Pagan Religions in the Region! It rests solely on what you have borrowed from Judaism,Christianity and the Pagan Religions in the Region! Actually incorrect. Judaism is what was practiced by the Jews. Remember the Jews didn't believe Jesus to be the promised Messiah and are still waiting for their savior to come. It's not Christianity's fault the Jews didn't continue on into the second covenant with God. Nothing borrowed, just some didn't move forward from the fulfilled covenant into the new covenant seal with Jesus' blood. The Jews "didn't continue" as Jesus does not meet the criteria to be the Messiah in Jewish thought. For example, here is one objection: A version of this objection came to my attention recently in an article explaining “Why Jews don’t believe in Jesus” by Rabbi Shraga Simmons at www.aish.com. Most of the reasons given are familiar objections that can easily be refuted. But there was one point that presents a more serious challenge to Christian belief. Here’s the point as made in the article (the second part of point 2B in the article together with its footnote). I have added numbers in bold for easier reference. [1] “The Messiah must be descended on his father's side from King David (see Genesis 49:10, Isaiah 11:1, Jeremiah 23:5, 33:17; Ezekiel 34:23-24). According to the Christian claim that Jesus was the product of a virgin birth, he had no father -- and thus could not have possibly fulfilled the messianic requirement of being descended on his father's side from King David. “In response, it is claimed that Joseph adopted Jesus, and passed on his genealogy via adoption. There are two problems with this claim: “a) There is no Biblical basis for the idea of a father passing on his tribal line by adoption. A priest who adopts a son from another tribe cannot make him a priest by adoption; “b) Joseph could never pass on by adoption that which he doesn't have. Because Joseph descended from Jeconiah (Matthew 1:11) he fell under the curse of that king that none of his descendants could ever sit as king upon the throne of David. (Jeremiah 22:30; 36:30) [2] “To answer this difficult problem, apologists claim that Jesus traces himself back to King David through his mother Mary, who allegedly descends from David, as shown in the third chapter of Luke. There are four basic problems with this claim: “a) There is no evidence that Mary descends from David. The third chapter of Luke traces Joseph's genealogy, not Mary's. “b) Even if Mary can trace herself back to David, that doesn't help Jesus, since tribal affiliation goes only through the father, not mother. Cf. Numbers 1:18; Ezra 2:59. “c) Even if family line could go through the mother, Mary was not from a legitimate Messianic family. According to the Bible, the Messiah must be a descendent of David through his son Solomon (II Samuel 7:14; I Chronicles 17:11-14, 22:9-10, 28:4-6). The third chapter of Luke is irrelevant to this discussion because it describes lineage of David's son Nathan, not Solomon. (Luke 3:31) “d) Luke 3:27 lists Shealtiel and Zerubbabel in his genealogy. These two also appear in Matthew 1:12 as descendants of the cursed Jeconiah. If Mary descends from them, it would also disqualify her from being a Messianic progenitor.” Matthew 1:18-25 18 Now the birth of Jesus Christ was on this wise: When as his mother Mary was espoused to Joseph, before they came together, she was found with child of the Holy Ghost. 19 Then Joseph her husband, being a just man, and not willing to make her a public example, was minded to put her away privily. The two Marry and Joseph were married before Jesus was born. So by all mean's Jesus would be Joseph's son in the physical sense. Marry "knew" no other man, along side her and Joseph being married would automatically make Jesus Joseph's son. So no, the prophecy isn't wrong. |
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He lives next door to me :)
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Reasons why Jesus is not God Jesus is not all knowing: Mark 24: 32 Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When his branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is nigh: 36 But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only. God is all-knowing, Jesus fails this main qualification. The verse says ONLY the Father meaning nobody else, including the divine Jesus. Jesus never said I am God, but God says he is God: Isa 45:5 I [am] the LORD, and [there is] none else, [there is] no God beside me: I girded thee, though thou hast not known me: The New Testament makes it very clear that Jesus is the son of man: Mat 8:20 And Jesus saith unto him, The foxes have holes, and the birds of the air [have] nests; but the Son of man hath not where to lay [his] head. Jesus was GIVEN power and authority, he did not own it. God is all-powerful and is independent, he needs no help from anybody. However so this is not the case with Jesus, unlike God, Jesus needs help from God, unlike God, Jesus does not own any power or any authority, rather it is given to him from God. Jhn 13:3 Jesus knowing that the Father had given all things into his hands, and that he was come from God, and went to God; John 17:6-8: 6 I have manifested thy name unto the men which thou gavest me out of the world: thine they were, and thou gavest them me; and they have kept thy word. 7 Now they have known that ALL THINGS whatsoever thou hast given me are of thee. So, Jesus GIVEN everything he had! This all included miracle, doctrine etc. Basically Jesus did not do anything of his own, he never performed a miracle by his own power, he was given the miracle. He never taught anything of his own, rather he was taught by God and spoke what God told him to speak. Jhn 7:16 Jesus answered them, and said, My doctrine is not mine, but his that sent me Jesus was sent to a specific nation only, not to mankind Mat 15:24 But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel. So Jesus was sent only for the lost sheep of Israel. His main duty was for them, not the gentiles or the world. Jesus denied being good in the sense that God is good. Mat 19:16 And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life? The man calls Jesus good, Jesus tells the man there is non good but God. Obviously Jesus referred to God as someone else, which also proves Jesus isn’t God. Jesus could not save anyone from death Hebrews 5:7 Who in the days of his flesh, when he had offered up prayers and supplications with strong crying and tears unto him that was able to save him from death, and was heard in that he feared; So Jesus cried to the one who could save him from death, this means Jesus could not save himself from death, therefore this also means Jesus cannot save anyone else from death. Jesus’ believers did NOT believe he was God neither Matthew Chapter 16;13 When Jesus came into the coasts of Caesarea Philippi, he asked his disciples, saying, Whom do men say that I the Son of man am? 14 And they said, Some say that thou art John the Baptist: some, Elias; and others, Jeremias, or one of the prophets So the believers out of the population did not take Jesus as God, they took him for a great man, such as John the Baptist, or Elias, or some others. None of them said he is God. 15 He saith unto them, But whom say ye that I am? 16 And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God. 17 And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven. 18 And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. 19 And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven. 20 Then charged he his disciples that they should tell no man that he was Jesus the Christ. Jesus asks his disciples about what they take him to be for, they respond by saying he is the SON OF GOD, Jesus agrees with them and tells them tell no man I am the Christ. So note, Jesus’ disciples do not say you are God, Jesus himself does not say he is God. Now both the son of God and the term Christ do not mean God. They never have, and never will. The term Christ means Messiah, the definition of Messiah is not God. Will you worship Jesus, or the one Jesus worshiped? Matthew 26:36. Then Jesus went with his disciples to a place called Gethsemane, and he said to them, "Sit here while I go over there and pray." 44. So he left them and went away once more and prayed the third time, SAYING THE SAME THING. So are you going worship the one Jesus prayed to? Or are you going to worship Jesus? Logically you worship the one Jesus prayed to. This Gentleman is the most comprehensive person I think I've had the pleasure of reading yet! The only thing to complement this page further is getting familiar with some translations of some of the oldest original texts of the Bible. For example for all you hard line Trinity believers who are forever quoting John 1: 1. Did you know this verse is more accurately written, "In the beginning was the Word (Metaphor For Jesus) and the Word was with God and the Word was God's." Yes, it's God's in the possessive form and neither singular or plural. What is more Jesus himself said that he'd only ever speak by illustration or metaphor, thus he was likely in the habit of speaking of himself as a 'Metaphorical Son Of God' and his Creator would be referred to as the 'Metaphorical Father'. For as often as I ask anybody who claims to be Christian, "Do You believe God Almighty needs to give birth to or beget baby-gods?" they always reply, "Heavens No...! That would be profane." The Quran plainly states, "Those who worship Jesus in degradation to the God who sent him, will by no means enter Paradise." Once more Jesus said, "My Father is greater then I." Never once in the whole Bible did Jesus ever ask to be worshiped... To the contrary he reproached those who did. |
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Thank You, LUNG 1954
You are very comprehensive! 
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Jesu is the son f God. in th old testamen e was called the Word, and the Word was with God and the Word was God . He is the creator of heaven and earth.
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