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Conservatives like to claim that single women use subsidized handouts as a substitute for a husband ��but they aren'��t the ones who benefit most from government spending.
In the past couple of years, conservative media has developed a narrative to marry social conservative angst about women'��s greater freedom to economic conservative desires to slash government programs to relieve poverty: Argue that single women, single mothers especially, are using government generosity so they can rebelliously refuse to get married. Back in December, Ann Coulter claimed on Fox & Friends that, ��single women look to the government as their husbands. Please provide for me, please take care of me.�� Andrea Tantaros echoed the claim later on Fox, saying that the Obama administration is deliberately trying to keep single mothers ��dependent on the government.�� Rush Limbaugh is a big fan of painting single women as government-dependent, whining back in November that ��unmarried women are looking at government for everything.�� The obsession with claiming that single women are a product of government largesse hit the big time during the 2012 election, when conservative media obsessed over an Obama campaign ad showing how a female constituent is affected by government throughout her life. James Taranto at the Wall Street Journal denounced social spending as an ��insidious attack on the institution of the family�� because apparently the only way to hold the family together is to impoverish women so they are forced to stay in unhappy marriages based on financial dependency. The argument depends on a number of risible and obviously untrue assumptions. It is neither true that single mothers are largely unemployed people who subsist solely on government payouts, nor that married women are generally housewives who depend on their husbands to take care of all their financial needs. Conservatives may wish to believe that there are two kinds of women, those who depend on ��government�� and those who depend on husbands, but in the real world, most women, regardless of marital status, actually have paid employment that is for more than just pin money. It is also asinine to assume that marriage is an institution that women resist and have to be forced into by making it impossible for them to feed themselves or their children without a man to provide. Most women want to get married, and single women are usually single not because they are taking some kind of government-subsidized stand against being with a man, but because they don'��t have a good man right now to be married to. The fantasy of widespread female rejection of monogamous commitment is pure right-wing paranoia that has nothing to do with women'��s real lives. But what is particularly insidious about this conservative claim about single women making government their ��husband�� is that it paints a wholly incorrect image of who, exactly, is the beneficiary of government spending. Conservatives would dearly love to stigmatize social spending by linking it to single motherhood—and therefore to a host of nasty stereotypes they have of single mothers ��but in reality, there is no reason whatsoever to believe single mothers are the main beneficiaries of social spending. If you actually drill into who is getting what benefits from the government, a much different picture emerges. Indeed, the first thing you realize is there is no ��typical�� recipient of government aid. If you want to see who in this country is on the government dole, it turns out that the answer is ��everyone.�� It'��s just that some of us get our government assistance in ways that allow us to lie to ourselves and pretend that we'��re not getting that assistance. But, the ugly truth is that if you want to see an image of a ��welfare queen,�� the quickest place to look is in the bathroom mirror. Taking a broader view, there'��s no reason whatsoever to think that single mothers, particularly single mothers living in poverty, are the biggest beneficiaries of government spending. As Brad Plumer of the Washington Post explained in September 2012, by far the largest group of recipients, with money sent to them directly by checks, is not, as conservatives assume, single mothers. No, 53 percent of direct cash entitlements go to people over 65 years old. Another 20 percent goes to disabled people and another 18 percent to working people, leaving only 9 percent for non-disabled, non-working people that conservatives like to pretend make up the bulk of recipients of social spending. Of course, direct cash payments are hardly the only way the government helps people out. Tax expenditures are also a government benefit that should be considered no different than direct cash payments, because, at the end of the day, whether the government mails you a check or gives you a tax break, the result is the same: More money to you, less money in the government coffers. As Plumer demonstrated, if you incorporate tax breaks like the mortgage interest deduction into your view of social spending, it turns out the real ��welfare queens�� are America'��s wealthiest citizens. The top 20 percent of Americans receive a whopping 66 percent of tax expenditures, while the bottom 20 percent, ��the people who have to scrape for every bite of food they , �only get three percent of this government bonanza. Because of the myriad ways that the government gives money to people with tax breaks, one of the quickest ways to set yourself up to receive a whole host of government-funded benefits is to get married. There are over 1,000 government rights and benefits given to married couples, many of which take money out of the government piggy bank and put it right back into your pocket. Do you get extremely affordable health care coverage through your spouse'��s employee? Thank the government who paid for it by giving their employer a tax break for doing so. Have a spouse who'��s died? Expect to be getting their Social Security benefits paid to you, and, if they have a retirement account, you get to transfer their savings to your own retirement account, avoiding taxes on it. Selling a house? You can double the amount you get to keep without taxes if you'��re married. Government benefits paid out to veterans and other government workers are also paid quite frequently to their spouses. If you'��re rich, being married especially means you get a massive government windfall if your spouse dies, because your inheritance from your spouse will not be taxed as if it were an inheritance from any other relative who left you a fortune. The attacks on single mothers are about peddling a paranoid fantasy to conservative audiences in order to keep them from thinking in any depth about the role that taxation and spending play in our nation'��s economic wellbeing. As long as Fox News audiences are sitting around boiling with anger at imaginary women who supposedly rejected the traditional role of a housewife to be a sexually rebellious single mother living on the government dime, they aren'��t thinking about how devastating to this country it really would be if we started slashing social spending so that our already outrageously wealthy elites could be even wealthier. As long as Fox is pitting men against women and married women against single women, their audience is not thinking about how the real problem is that most of us in the working or middle class are watching our economic opportunities disappear while the richest one percent continue to hoard most of the nation'��s wealth. Misogynist vitriol against single women is a perfect way to keep conservative audiences from really thinking about the problems facing this country, and that'��s why we can expect conservative media to keep churning it out. http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/01/10/single-mothers-are-not-america-s-real-welfare-queens.html |
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Me thinks that the author of the cited article is over-generalizing what conservatives believe. The pundits mentioned don't speak for all conservatives.
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of course, that is true in all discourse that speaks about
republicans/liberals/democrats/conservatives,,etc,, there is diversity within each group that dictates that not ALL in any of them do or believe exactly the same for purpose of context, lets read 'conservatives' to mean 'anti welfare conservatives' |
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of course, that is true in all discourse that speaks about republicans/liberals/democrats/conservatives,,etc,, there is diversity within each group that dictates that not ALL in any of them do or believe exactly the same for purpose of context, lets read 'conservatives' to mean 'anti welfare conservatives' Ah, but that is the problem with the article. The author implies that to be conservative is to be anti-welfare. |
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IT is a common writing technique, implying that a whole group does something just by not using qualifiers to specify.
These threads usually do it when referring to political factions too. |
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IT is a common writing technique, implying that a whole group does something just by not using qualifiers to specify. These threads usually do it when referring to political factions too. Yeah, like claiming that southern Republicans are racists. ![]() |
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IT is a common writing technique, implying that a whole group does something just by not using qualifiers to specify. These threads usually do it when referring to political factions too. Yeah, like claiming that southern Republicans are racists. ![]() lol, well these threads make it hard to believe otherwise,,, ya gotta admit,, ![]() ![]() ![]() although, I am fully aware that there is nothing that keeps non racists out the south and therefore I would expect to be able to find them there, and even registered republican,, but not MANY |
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IT is a common writing technique, implying that a whole group does something just by not using qualifiers to specify. These threads usually do it when referring to political factions too. Yeah, like claiming that southern Republicans are racists. ![]() lol, well these threads make it hard to believe otherwise,,, ya gotta admit,, ![]() ![]() ![]() although, I am fully aware that there is nothing that keeps non racists out the south and therefore I would expect to be able to find them there, and even registered republican,, but not MANY Yeah, right. ![]() I think you're wrong, but I still love you. ![]() ![]() I know you think Im wrong, but I love you too,, ![]() ![]() |
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IT is a common writing technique, implying that a whole group does something just by not using qualifiers to specify. These threads usually do it when referring to political factions too. Yeah, like claiming that southern Republicans are racists. ![]() lol, well these threads make it hard to believe otherwise,,, ya gotta admit,, ![]() ![]() ![]() although, I am fully aware that there is nothing that keeps non racists out the south and therefore I would expect to be able to find them there, and even registered republican,, but not MANY Yeah, right. ![]() I think you're wrong, but I still love you. ![]() ![]() |
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IT is a common writing technique, implying that a whole group does something just by not using qualifiers to specify. These threads usually do it when referring to political factions too. Yeah, like claiming that southern Republicans are racists. ![]() lol, well these threads make it hard to believe otherwise,,, ya gotta admit,, ![]() ![]() ![]() although, I am fully aware that there is nothing that keeps non racists out the south and therefore I would expect to be able to find them there, and even registered republican,, but not MANY Yeah, right. ![]() I think you're wrong, but I still love you. ![]() ![]() I know you think Im wrong, but I love you too,, ![]() ![]() We seriously need to get together sometime. ![]() |
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Me thinks that the author of the cited article is over-generalizing what conservatives believe. The pundits mentioned don't speak for all conservatives. Is that really all you got from that? What a dumb question asking the obvious. |
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Conservatives like to claim that single women use subsidized handouts as a substitute for a husband but they aren't the ones who benefit most from government spending. In the past couple of years, conservative media has developed a narrative to marry social conservative angst about women's greater freedom to economic conservative desires to slash government programs to relieve poverty: Argue that single women, single mothers especially, are using government generosity so they can rebelliously refuse to get married. Back in December, Ann Coulter claimed on Fox & Friends that, single women look to the government as their husbands. Please provide for me, please take care of me. Andrea Tantaros echoed the claim later on Fox, saying that the Obama administration is deliberately trying to keep single mothers dependent on the government. Rush Limbaugh is a big fan of painting single women as government-dependent, whining back in November that unmarried women are looking at government for everything. The obsession with claiming that single women are a product of government largesse hit the big time during the 2012 election, when conservative media obsessed over an Obama campaign ad showing how a female constituent is affected by government throughout her life. James Taranto at the Wall Street Journal denounced social spending as an insidious attack on the institution of the family because apparently the only way to hold the family together is to impoverish women so they are forced to stay in unhappy marriages based on financial dependency. The argument depends on a number of risible and obviously untrue assumptions. It is neither true that single mothers are largely unemployed people who subsist solely on government payouts, nor that married women are generally housewives who depend on their husbands to take care of all their financial needs. Conservatives may wish to believe that there are two kinds of women, those who depend on government and those who depend on husbands, but in the real world, most women, regardless of marital status, actually have paid employment that is for more than just pin money. It is also asinine to assume that marriage is an institution that women resist and have to be forced into by making it impossible for them to feed themselves or their children without a man to provide. Most women want to get married, and single women are usually single not because they are taking some kind of government-subsidized stand against being with a man, but because they don't have a good man right now to be married to. The fantasy of widespread female rejection of monogamous commitment is pure right-wing paranoia that has nothing to do with women's real lives. But what is particularly insidious about this conservative claim about single women making government their husband is that it paints a wholly incorrect image of who, exactly, is the beneficiary of government spending. Conservatives would dearly love to stigmatize social spending by linking it to single motherhoodâand therefore to a host of nasty stereotypes they have of single mothers but in reality, there is no reason whatsoever to believe single mothers are the main beneficiaries of social spending. If you actually drill into who is getting what benefits from the government, a much different picture emerges. Indeed, the first thing you realize is there is no typical recipient of government aid. If you want to see who in this country is on the government dole, it turns out that the answer is everyone. It's just that some of us get our government assistance in ways that allow us to lie to ourselves and pretend that we're not getting that assistance. But, the ugly truth is that if you want to see an image of a welfare queen, the quickest place to look is in the bathroom mirror. Taking a broader view, there's no reason whatsoever to think that single mothers, particularly single mothers living in poverty, are the biggest beneficiaries of government spending. As Brad Plumer of the Washington Post explained in September 2012, by far the largest group of recipients, with money sent to them directly by checks, is not, as conservatives assume, single mothers. No, 53 percent of direct cash entitlements go to people over 65 years old. Another 20 percent goes to disabled people and another 18 percent to working people, leaving only 9 percent for non-disabled, non-working people that conservatives like to pretend make up the bulk of recipients of social spending. Of course, direct cash payments are hardly the only way the government helps people out. Tax expenditures are also a government benefit that should be considered no different than direct cash payments, because, at the end of the day, whether the government mails you a check or gives you a tax break, the result is the same: More money to you, less money in the government coffers. As Plumer demonstrated, if you incorporate tax breaks like the mortgage interest deduction into your view of social spending, it turns out the real welfare queens are America's wealthiest citizens. The top 20 percent of Americans receive a whopping 66 percent of tax expenditures, while the bottom 20 percent, the people who have to scrape for every bite of food they , only get three percent of this government bonanza. Because of the myriad ways that the government gives money to people with tax breaks, one of the quickest ways to set yourself up to receive a whole host of government-funded benefits is to get married. There are over 1,000 government rights and benefits given to married couples, many of which take money out of the government piggy bank and put it right back into your pocket. Do you get extremely affordable health care coverage through your spouse's employee? Thank the government who paid for it by giving their employer a tax break for doing so. Have a spouse who's died? Expect to be getting their Social Security benefits paid to you, and, if they have a retirement account, you get to transfer their savings to your own retirement account, avoiding taxes on it. Selling a house? You can double the amount you get to keep without taxes if you're married. Government benefits paid out to veterans and other government workers are also paid quite frequently to their spouses. If you're rich, being married especially means you get a massive government windfall if your spouse dies, because your inheritance from your spouse will not be taxed as if it were an inheritance from any other relative who left you a fortune. The attacks on single mothers are about peddling a paranoid fantasy to conservative audiences in order to keep them from thinking in any depth about the role that taxation and spending play in our nation's economic wellbeing. As long as Fox News audiences are sitting around boiling with anger at imaginary women who supposedly rejected the traditional role of a housewife to be a sexually rebellious single mother living on the government dime, they aren't thinking about how devastating to this country it really would be if we started slashing social spending so that our already outrageously wealthy elites could be even wealthier. As long as Fox is pitting men against women and married women against single women, their audience is not thinking about how the real problem is that most of us in the working or middle class are watching our economic opportunities disappear while the richest one percent continue to hoard most of the nation's wealth. Misogynist vitriol against single women is a perfect way to keep conservative audiences from really thinking about the problems facing this country, and that's why we can expect conservative media to keep churning it out. http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/01/10/single-mothers-are-not-america-s-real-welfare-queens.html Another crock of BS based on some liberal ideologist that demands that someone prove a negative: Taking a broader view, there’s no reason whatsoever to think that single mothers, particularly single mothers living in poverty, are the biggest beneficiaries of government spending. As Brad Plumer of the Washington Post explained in September 2012, by far the largest group of recipients, with money sent to them directly by checks, is not, as conservatives assume, single mothers. No, 53 percent of direct cash entitlements go to people over 65 years old. Another 20 percent goes to disabled people and another 18 percent to working people, leaving only 9 percent for non-disabled, non-working people that conservatives like to pretend make up the bulk of recipients of social spending. Let's start off with those 53% over 65, the ones that paid into a program their whole life to have the benefit of a retirement income during their retirement years. A benefit "earned" not entitled, a huge difference. Is it a coincidence that there is 47% remaining. But it is this 47% that is the issue. They are now the 100% of entitlements, not the 47% stated. So now we have meaningful data to work with. That would mean 42.6% are receiving entitlements based on some disability (what percent single mothers?), 38.3% for working people (what percent single mothers?) and 19.1% in the total leech class (what percent single mothers?). Now let's just ignore the crap about taxes because this author wants on to believe that getting a deduction and not getting stolen from as bad is somehow the same as stealing what has been stolen from those paying. All that really illustrates is the jealousy of one being stolen from worse than another, the recognition of the act of being a slave but demanding other be as large a slave as oneself, pathetic logic. So all that remains are the new 100% that is actual entitlements not earned benefits. While the article goes to lengths to avoid the real facts, logic tells us that entitlements are balanced toward children and their mothers so it can only be concluded without knowing the actual numbers that the lions share goes to these unwed mothers, at least in the latter two categories and at least a majority share in the first. So progressive liberals can try to construe the whole issue as some myth of conservative logic, but that ill deems it the truth, just another lie with a different slant. Of course the entitlement crowd will just eat it up and believe the whole sordid affair as gospel and drop a new bambino to increase their "earnings". |
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of course, that is true in all discourse that speaks about republicans/liberals/democrats/conservatives,,etc,, there is diversity within each group that dictates that not ALL in any of them do or believe exactly the same for purpose of context, lets read 'conservatives' to mean 'anti welfare conservatives' So one slant wasn't good enough, let's provide another but be careful that we keep everything between the labels. Wouldn't want to press for the truth, would we? |
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IT is a common writing technique, implying that a whole group does something just by not using qualifiers to specify. These threads usually do it when referring to political factions too. Yeah, like claiming that southern Republicans are racists. ![]() Good one. |
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IT is a common writing technique, implying that a whole group does something just by not using qualifiers to specify. These threads usually do it when referring to political factions too. A familiar technique is it? How would you classify the technique of broken and incomplete thoughts? How about the technique of inference without stating, then denying? And by these threads, would that be an admission? Or deflection? |
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lol, well these threads make it hard to believe otherwise,,, ya gotta admit,, ![]() ![]() ![]() although, I am fully aware that there is nothing that keeps non racists out the south and therefore I would expect to be able to find them there, and even registered republican,, but not MANY BS, no and those laughs again followed by some statement meant to bestow some dark secret, with disclaimer. Typical. |
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entitlements are balanced toward children and their mothers so it can only be concluded without knowing the actual numbers that the lions share goes to these unwed mothers, at least in the latter two categories and at least a majority share in the first.
NOT REALLY, the 'entitlement' that goes to children is called TANF, and there is no requirement that the mothers be single or unmarried, married couples may also receive TANF which is awarded based upon household income AND that is but ONE of the 'entitlement' programs that take government spending unemployment, food stamps, and Medicaid are also means tested programs which have no requirement for and are not focused on mothers and their kids,,,,, there are DOZENS of means tested assistance programs that aren't geared towards single moms and their kids, collectively, making up MUCH more of the 'entitlement' spending but we usually only hear about the women taking care of Americas children,, and how awful they are to accept help and how awful it is that Americans are 'forced' to provide that help |
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Edited by
Sojourning_Soul
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Thu 05/22/14 05:13 AM
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entitlements are balanced toward children and their mothers so it can only be concluded without knowing the actual numbers that the lions share goes to these unwed mothers, at least in the latter two categories and at least a majority share in the first. NOT REALLY, the 'entitlement' that goes to children is called TANF, and there is no requirement that the mothers be single or unmarried, married couples may also receive TANF which is awarded based upon household income AND that is but ONE of the 'entitlement' programs that take government spending unemployment, food stamps, and Medicaid are also means tested programs which have no requirement for and are not focused on mothers and their kids,,,,, there are DOZENS of means tested assistance programs that aren't geared towards single moms and their kids, collectively, making up MUCH more of the 'entitlement' spending but we usually only hear about the women taking care of Americas children,, and how awful they are to accept help and how awful it is that Americans are 'forced' to provide that help The key word being "FORCED"! An entitlement backed by wealth stolen from others is no less an entitlement or an incentive not to provide for yourself when others are mandated to provide for you! Making everyone else poorer is NOT helping society! It defies nature and creates or expands the numbers in poverty and the problems associated with it, never allowing the herd to be culled for the betterment of the species Where do you think division, over population, crime and other such problems stem from? It's unsustainable and will cause what we are seeing today..... a nation of entitlement breeders in financial demise, brought about by abusing and destroying a system meant for those of actual need! When it MUST be done, who do we deny? The welfare mom or the wounded warrior? The cripple or the elderly? The elderly have paid into a system, the warrior has fought and paid for it, a cripple has no recourse..... bye-bye welfare and anchor baby moms! Who will you blame then? When there is no benefit to defending your country (which this POTUS, his liberal senate and his admin are already implementing), as our returning warriors are considered "threats to national security" and their benefits are already being cut, do we put our welfare recipients or poor on the battle lines? Until we have leadership that ACTUALLY addresses the problem rather than expanding it, quits taxing and spending us into oblivion, and propping up banks and corporations on the backs of the people through corporate welfare, QE, bailouts, tax holidays and cuts, our demise continues! And then there is foreign aid, 700 military bases in 180 countries, senate retirement packages...... and the list goes on....... If you're going to BLAME someone, make sure it's the right someone..... or you're part of the problem, NOT the solution! |
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Where do you think division, over population, crime and other such problems stem from?
since there have been these things since the BEGINNING Of our founding,, Id say it certainly doesn't stem from taxes or welfare more from the greed that has been born from capitalism , the desperation that has been born from disparate opportunities and the accompanying caste systems that have developed from them, self centeredness which is part of human nature that is encouraged and promoted in our general 'me and mine' culture, and a general disregard for the value of other humans and their lives,,,, in a culture where the individual is only as valuable as their monetary earnings(taxes),,,,people that have been left out of being 'valued' have gotten colder as have the people who believe and support the continued philosophy that they shouldn't be valued |
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