Topic: Welfare Queens?
Sojourning_Soul's photo
Thu 05/22/14 09:27 AM

Where do you think division, over population, crime and other such problems stem from?


since there have been these things since the BEGINNING Of our founding,, Id say it certainly doesn't stem from taxes or welfare

more from the greed that has been born from capitalism , the desperation that has been born from disparate opportunities and the accompanying caste systems that have developed from them, self centeredness which is part of human nature that is encouraged and promoted in our general 'me and mine' culture, and a general disregard for the value of other humans and their lives,,,,


in a culture where the individual is only as valuable as their monetary earnings(taxes),,,,people that have been left out of being 'valued' have gotten colder as have the people who believe and support the continued philosophy that they shouldn't be valued



Boy are you delusional!

Capitalism is what made America great! Some it seems will seek any excuse to cover their own lack of ability, or the desire to seek any. Capitalism is easy to blame due to their own lack of a desire to succeed, not only blaming it on others, but demanding those others pay their way because of their lack of a will to do for themselves! Someone else has more because they have achieved, and in your eyes, they owe because they're "gifted" with success.

News flash! The world owes you nothing you aren't willing to work to obtain!

Working to scam a system others pay for is NOT working, or bettering anything but your own sense of entitlement!

Blaming others accomplishes nothing.

You always seem to blame resources as your crutch, but in truth you have no more or no less than anyone else in this world, but you're never short on excuses..... or blame

InvictusV's photo
Thu 05/22/14 09:28 AM

Where do you think division, over population, crime and other such problems stem from?


since there have been these things since the BEGINNING Of our founding,, Id say it certainly doesn't stem from taxes or welfare

more from the greed that has been born from capitalism , the desperation that has been born from disparate opportunities and the accompanying caste systems that have developed from them, self centeredness which is part of human nature that is encouraged and promoted in our general 'me and mine' culture, and a general disregard for the value of other humans and their lives,,,,


in a culture where the individual is only as valuable as their monetary earnings(taxes),,,,people that have been left out of being 'valued' have gotten colder as have the people who believe and support the continued philosophy that they shouldn't be valued







So, none of this:

division, over population, crime and other such problems stem from?


happens under the other economic systems?


Have you paid attention to what goes on in Cuba or the chaos that is Venezuela?

Corruption and cronyism exist within all forms of economic systems and governments.



Conrad_73's photo
Thu 05/22/14 09:33 AM
Edited by Conrad_73 on Thu 05/22/14 09:35 AM

Where do you think division, over population, crime and other such problems stem from?


since there have been these things since the BEGINNING Of our founding,, Id say it certainly doesn't stem from taxes or welfare

more from the greed that has been born from capitalism , the desperation that has been born from disparate opportunities and the accompanying caste systems that have developed from them, self centeredness which is part of human nature that is encouraged and promoted in our general 'me and mine' culture, and a general disregard for the value of other humans and their lives,,,,


in a culture where the individual is only as valuable as their monetary earnings(taxes),,,,people that have been left out of being 'valued' have gotten colder as have the people who believe and support the continued philosophy that they shouldn't be valued






seems you picked up a Book on Cronyism and studied that,not one on Capitalism!

You have just described Fascism,and Statism in particular!

You swallowed Ellsworth's Guff Hook,Line and Sinker!

"In a free economy, where no man or group of men can use physical coercion against anyone, economic power can be achieved only by voluntary means: by the voluntary choice and agreement of all those who participate in the process of production and trade." | Capitalism: The Unknown Ideal

msharmony's photo
Thu 05/22/14 09:37 AM


Where do you think division, over population, crime and other such problems stem from?


since there have been these things since the BEGINNING Of our founding,, Id say it certainly doesn't stem from taxes or welfare

more from the greed that has been born from capitalism , the desperation that has been born from disparate opportunities and the accompanying caste systems that have developed from them, self centeredness which is part of human nature that is encouraged and promoted in our general 'me and mine' culture, and a general disregard for the value of other humans and their lives,,,,


in a culture where the individual is only as valuable as their monetary earnings(taxes),,,,people that have been left out of being 'valued' have gotten colder as have the people who believe and support the continued philosophy that they shouldn't be valued



Boy are you delusional!

Capitalism is what made America great! Some it seems will seek any excuse to cover their own lack of ability, or the desire to seek any. Capitalism is easy to blame due to their own lack of a desire to succeed, not only blaming it on others, but demanding those others pay their way because of their lack of a will to do for themselves! Someone else has more because they have achieved, and in your eyes, they owe because they're "gifted" with success.

News flash! The world owes you nothing you aren't willing to work to obtain!

Working to scam a system others pay for is NOT working, or bettering anything but your own sense of entitlement!

Blaming others accomplishes nothing.

You always seem to blame resources as your crutch, but in truth you have no more or no less than anyone else in this world, but you're never short on excuses..... or blame


1st, I didn't 'blame' capitalism, I 'blamed' the greed which (in our country) has come FrOM the capitalism

2nd. IF blaming others accomplishes nothing, I guess this whole thread is irrelevant, since those here are obviously 'blaming' someone ; from the 'entitlement crowd', or something like taxes (or as you call it 'forced' contributions)


3rd, Isnt it ironic to claim I am blaming resources as my crutch, while blaming resources as the source of Americas problems?

4th. I haven't 'blamed' anyone or anything about my personal situation. I don't have the tunnelvision that can only see myself. My contribution is in reference to the GENERAL topic of those in need or facing hard times.



Conrad_73's photo
Thu 05/22/14 09:38 AM
Edited by Conrad_73 on Thu 05/22/14 09:41 AM



Where do you think division, over population, crime and other such problems stem from?


since there have been these things since the BEGINNING Of our founding,, Id say it certainly doesn't stem from taxes or welfare

more from the greed that has been born from capitalism , the desperation that has been born from disparate opportunities and the accompanying caste systems that have developed from them, self centeredness which is part of human nature that is encouraged and promoted in our general 'me and mine' culture, and a general disregard for the value of other humans and their lives,,,,


in a culture where the individual is only as valuable as their monetary earnings(taxes),,,,people that have been left out of being 'valued' have gotten colder as have the people who believe and support the continued philosophy that they shouldn't be valued



Boy are you delusional!

Capitalism is what made America great! Some it seems will seek any excuse to cover their own lack of ability, or the desire to seek any. Capitalism is easy to blame due to their own lack of a desire to succeed, not only blaming it on others, but demanding those others pay their way because of their lack of a will to do for themselves! Someone else has more because they have achieved, and in your eyes, they owe because they're "gifted" with success.

News flash! The world owes you nothing you aren't willing to work to obtain!

Working to scam a system others pay for is NOT working, or bettering anything but your own sense of entitlement!

Blaming others accomplishes nothing.

You always seem to blame resources as your crutch, but in truth you have no more or no less than anyone else in this world, but you're never short on excuses..... or blame


1st, I didn't 'blame' capitalism, I 'blamed' the greed which (in our country) has come FrOM the capitalism

2nd. IF blaming others accomplishes nothing, I guess this whole thread is irrelevant, since those here are obviously 'blaming' someone ; from the 'entitlement crowd', or something like taxes (or as you call it 'forced' contributions)


3rd, Isnt it ironic to claim I am blaming resources as my crutch, while blaming resources as the source of Americas problems?

4th. I haven't 'blamed' anyone or anything about my personal situation. I don't have the tunnelvision that can only see myself. My contribution is in reference to the GENERAL topic of those in need or facing hard times.



In a capitalist society, all human relationships are voluntary. Men are free to cooperate or not, to deal with one another or not, as their own individual judgments, convictions, and interests dictate." | Capitalism: The Unknown Ideal

http://aynrandlexicon.com/lexicon/selfishness.html


msharmony's photo
Thu 05/22/14 09:38 AM
Edited by msharmony on Thu 05/22/14 09:41 AM


Where do you think division, over population, crime and other such problems stem from?


since there have been these things since the BEGINNING Of our founding,, Id say it certainly doesn't stem from taxes or welfare

more from the greed that has been born from capitalism , the desperation that has been born from disparate opportunities and the accompanying caste systems that have developed from them, self centeredness which is part of human nature that is encouraged and promoted in our general 'me and mine' culture, and a general disregard for the value of other humans and their lives,,,,


in a culture where the individual is only as valuable as their monetary earnings(taxes),,,,people that have been left out of being 'valued' have gotten colder as have the people who believe and support the continued philosophy that they shouldn't be valued







So, none of this:

division, over population, crime and other such problems stem from?


happens under the other economic systems?


Have you paid attention to what goes on in Cuba or the chaos that is Venezuela?

Corruption and cronyism exist within all forms of economic systems and governments.






indeed they do, but in speaking about AMERICA, the details aren't identical to all other systems,,,

where there is greed, desperation, disparate opportunity, self centeredess and a disregard for human life,, and when it is masked as the healthy and 'earned' norm

you get exactly what we have,,,,

Conrad_73's photo
Thu 05/22/14 09:41 AM
Edited by Conrad_73 on Thu 05/22/14 10:40 AM
The meaning ascribed in popular usage to the word selfishness is not merely wrong: it represents a devastating intellectual package-deal,which is responsible, more than any other single factor, for the arrested moral development of mankind.

In popular usage, the word selfishness is a synonym of evil; the image it conjures is of a murderous brute who tramples over piles of corpses to achieve his own ends, who cares for no living being and pursues nothing but the gratification of the mindless whims of any immediate moment.

Yet the exact meaning and dictionary definition of the word selfishness is: concern with one's own interests.

This concept does not include a moral evaluation; it does not tell us whether concern with one's own interests is good or evil; nor does it tell us what constitutes man's actual interests. It is the task of ethics to answer such questions.

Conrad_73's photo
Thu 05/22/14 09:43 AM

Where do you think division, over population, crime and other such problems stem from?


since there have been these things since the BEGINNING Of our founding,, Id say it certainly doesn't stem from taxes or welfare

more from the greed that has been born from capitalism , the desperation that has been born from disparate opportunities and the accompanying caste systems that have developed from them, self centeredness which is part of human nature that is encouraged and promoted in our general 'me and mine' culture, and a general disregard for the value of other humans and their lives,,,,


in a culture where the individual is only as valuable as their monetary earnings(taxes),,,,people that have been left out of being 'valued' have gotten colder as have the people who believe and support the continued philosophy that they shouldn't be valued








and what makes you believe that Conservatives are Capitalists?laugh

msharmony's photo
Thu 05/22/14 09:46 AM

The meaning ascribed in popular usage to the word “selfishness” is not merely wrong: it represents a devastating intellectual “package-deal,” which is responsible, more than any other single factor, for the arrested moral development of mankind.

In popular usage, the word “selfishness” is a synonym of evil; the image it conjures is of a murderous brute who tramples over piles of corpses to achieve his own ends, who cares for no living being and pursues nothing but the gratification of the mindless whims of any immediate moment.

Yet the exact meaning and dictionary definition of the word “selfishness” is: concern with one’s own interests.

This concept does not include a moral evaluation; it does not tell us whether concern with one’s own interests is good or evil; nor does it tell us what constitutes man’s actual interests. It is the task of ethics to answer such questions.


I didn't use the term 'selfish', which is healthy for humans to be,,

I used the term 'self centered', which is not healthy for humans to be if they wish to live within a family unit, a community, a city, a town, a village, a city, a state,,,etc,,,,,



the idea that we matter (Selfish) is good,, the idea that ALL That matters is us (self centeredness) is not,,,,

Conrad_73's photo
Thu 05/22/14 09:47 AM

Where do you think division, over population, crime and other such problems stem from?


since there have been these things since the BEGINNING Of our founding,, Id say it certainly doesn't stem from taxes or welfare

more from the greed that has been born from capitalism , the desperation that has been born from disparate opportunities and the accompanying caste systems that have developed from them, self centeredness which is part of human nature that is encouraged and promoted in our general 'me and mine' culture, and a general disregard for the value of other humans and their lives,,,,


in a culture where the individual is only as valuable as their monetary earnings(taxes),,,,people that have been left out of being 'valued' have gotten colder as have the people who believe and support the continued philosophy that they shouldn't be valued






Pure unadulterated Marxist Guff!

msharmony's photo
Thu 05/22/14 09:49 AM


Where do you think division, over population, crime and other such problems stem from?


since there have been these things since the BEGINNING Of our founding,, Id say it certainly doesn't stem from taxes or welfare

more from the greed that has been born from capitalism , the desperation that has been born from disparate opportunities and the accompanying caste systems that have developed from them, self centeredness which is part of human nature that is encouraged and promoted in our general 'me and mine' culture, and a general disregard for the value of other humans and their lives,,,,


in a culture where the individual is only as valuable as their monetary earnings(taxes),,,,people that have been left out of being 'valued' have gotten colder as have the people who believe and support the continued philosophy that they shouldn't be valued








and what makes you believe that Conservatives are Capitalists?laugh


what makes you think I was speaking about conservatives?,,,,

I only stated certain 'character' attributes within a culture that lead to the 'division, over population, crime and other such problems'

Sojourning_Soul's photo
Thu 05/22/14 10:23 AM

It seems many forget whom they are addressing here..... an Obozo supporter!

Of course she is Marxist in her beliefs!

msharmony's photo
Thu 05/22/14 10:26 AM
any discussion on the TOPIC would be nice

ad hominem and stereotypes do little to contribute to the actual conversation,,,

tyflowerforyou

Dodo_David's photo
Thu 05/22/14 10:32 AM


It seems many forget whom they are addressing here..... an Obozo supporter!

Of course she is Marxist in her beliefs!


Your use of ad hominem in an attempt to tear down msharmony gives me the urge to respond like this:



However, I will try to maintain my composure. indifferent

Sojourning_Soul's photo
Thu 05/22/14 10:33 AM



It seems many forget whom they are addressing here..... an Obozo supporter!

Of course she is Marxist in her beliefs!


Your use of ad hominem in an attempt to tear down msharmony gives me the urge to respond like this:



However, I will try to maintain my composure. indifferent


But not your sanity it appears

Conrad_73's photo
Thu 05/22/14 10:37 AM



Where do you think division, over population, crime and other such problems stem from?


since there have been these things since the BEGINNING Of our founding,, Id say it certainly doesn't stem from taxes or welfare

more from the greed that has been born from capitalism , the desperation that has been born from disparate opportunities and the accompanying caste systems that have developed from them, self centeredness which is part of human nature that is encouraged and promoted in our general 'me and mine' culture, and a general disregard for the value of other humans and their lives,,,,


in a culture where the individual is only as valuable as their monetary earnings(taxes),,,,people that have been left out of being 'valued' have gotten colder as have the people who believe and support the continued philosophy that they shouldn't be valued








and what makes you believe that Conservatives are Capitalists?laugh


what makes you think I was speaking about conservatives?,,,,

I only stated certain 'character' attributes within a culture that lead to the 'division, over population, crime and other such problems'

well,wasn't your Original Post about Conservatives?bigsmile

Dodo_David's photo
Thu 05/22/14 10:41 AM


Your use of ad hominem in an attempt to tear down msharmony gives me the urge to respond like this:



However, I will try to maintain my composure. indifferent


But not your sanity it appears


Your use of ad hominem in an attempt to tear me down gives me the urge to respond like this:

rofl

However, I will try to maintain my composure. indifferent

msharmony's photo
Thu 05/22/14 10:46 AM




Where do you think division, over population, crime and other such problems stem from?


since there have been these things since the BEGINNING Of our founding,, Id say it certainly doesn't stem from taxes or welfare

more from the greed that has been born from capitalism , the desperation that has been born from disparate opportunities and the accompanying caste systems that have developed from them, self centeredness which is part of human nature that is encouraged and promoted in our general 'me and mine' culture, and a general disregard for the value of other humans and their lives,,,,


in a culture where the individual is only as valuable as their monetary earnings(taxes),,,,people that have been left out of being 'valued' have gotten colder as have the people who believe and support the continued philosophy that they shouldn't be valued








and what makes you believe that Conservatives are Capitalists?laugh


what makes you think I was speaking about conservatives?,,,,

I only stated certain 'character' attributes within a culture that lead to the 'division, over population, crime and other such problems'

well,wasn't your Original Post about Conservatives?bigsmile


yes,, but the conversation has evolved and my reference to capitalism was in response to a question about division, over population, crime and other such problems

Conrad_73's photo
Thu 05/22/14 10:53 AM





Where do you think division, over population, crime and other such problems stem from?


since there have been these things since the BEGINNING Of our founding,, Id say it certainly doesn't stem from taxes or welfare

more from the greed that has been born from capitalism , the desperation that has been born from disparate opportunities and the accompanying caste systems that have developed from them, self centeredness which is part of human nature that is encouraged and promoted in our general 'me and mine' culture, and a general disregard for the value of other humans and their lives,,,,


in a culture where the individual is only as valuable as their monetary earnings(taxes),,,,people that have been left out of being 'valued' have gotten colder as have the people who believe and support the continued philosophy that they shouldn't be valued








and what makes you believe that Conservatives are Capitalists?laugh


what makes you think I was speaking about conservatives?,,,,

I only stated certain 'character' attributes within a culture that lead to the 'division, over population, crime and other such problems'

well,wasn't your Original Post about Conservatives?bigsmile


yes,, but the conversation has evolved and my reference to capitalism was in response to a question about division, over population, crime and other such problems

you're still way off the mark concerning Capitalism!

Sojourning_Soul's photo
Thu 05/22/14 10:55 AM
Edited by Sojourning_Soul on Thu 05/22/14 10:54 AM



Your use of ad hominem in an attempt to tear down msharmony gives me the urge to respond like this:



However, I will try to maintain my composure. indifferent


But not your sanity it appears


Your use of ad hominem in an attempt to tear me down gives me the urge to respond like this:

rofl

However, I will try to maintain my composure. indifferent


I could have fun with this if I wasn't busy working trying to afford my life in retirement......