Your use of ad hominem in an attempt to tear down msharmony gives me the urge to respond like this:

However, I will try to maintain my composure.

Your use of ad hominem in an attempt to tear me down gives me the urge to respond like this:



However, I will try to maintain my composure.

1. directed against a person rather than against his arguments
2. based on or appealing to emotion rather than reason

And how does this apply? Does it apply better to this post?

and like he contradiction between the definition of socialism and how its been implemented the problem with the above IDEAL is this

'coercion' is not always of the physical in nature, and can indeed be present even when there is 'choice'

because EVERYTHING is a choice,,, even if it is under coercion or duress


so, If I own the means of production, and control the money, I control those who need things and money, even if I give them 'choices' about how to attain them


its a choice to say do you want to have shelter or not

most will choose YES

and if I control exactly HOW and WHAT you must do to acquire that shelter, that choice is diminished in its intrinsic value as 'choice'


so we can say its all good because we 'voluntarily' agreed to work 40 hours to earn 100 bucks, but its still bs if the only other 'choice' we had was volunteer to the offered wage or starve,,,,


just like in socialism, it is all good to say each will have what they need and give what they can but it becomes bs when it is a small group Who get to decide what that is for everyone else,,,