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may169 Joined Tue 12/02/14 Posts: 9	Mon 03/23/15 01:48 AM
Why is it that Muslim men don't discipline their own children and that's the wife's job?? if you want to learn about Islam, go study ISLAM, don't study the Muslims or non Muslims. learn and read from Quran

Conrad_73 Joined Sat 09/29/07 Posts: 22488	Mon 03/23/15 01:50 AM Edited by Conrad_73 on Mon 03/23/15 02:02 AM
Well, that was a whole bunch of Hadiths, of which I can't say I'm a supporter of. ********************************************************************************** Many a time I've had to give my children a spanking, and I'm a Man. If a Wife wishes to do so in my absents... Let Her. so,you do not support the Hadiths of your Prophet? http://www.wsj.com/articles/a-reformation-for-islam-1426859626

Ɔʎɹɐx Joined Mon 08/19/13 Posts: 4958	Mon 03/23/15 02:04 AM
Why is it that Muslim men don't discipline their own children and that's the wife's job?? if you want to learn about Islam, go study ISLAM, don't study the Muslims or non Muslims. learn and read from Quran and what would the non-Muslim's reaction be when they read the verses that tell Muslims to fight infidels (non-Muslims) until they convert or pay (Jizyah) ? i still wounder why many Christians convert into Islam with the presence of such hateful verses .... i would like to know if Sheik read them before converting

messi_is_a_tim_1888 Joined Fri 11/28/14 Posts: 3309	Mon 03/23/15 03:00 AM
Why is it that Muslim men don't discipline their own children and that's the wife's job?? if you want to learn about Islam, go study ISLAM, don't study the Muslims or non Muslims. learn and read from Quran and what would the non-Muslim's reaction be when they read the verses that tell Muslims to fight infidels (non-Muslims) until they convert or pay (Jizyah) ? i still wounder why many Christians convert into Islam with the presence of such hateful verses .... i would like to know if Sheik read them before converting Well said Fox and you should know as you were once Muslim, as I believe?

Ɔʎɹɐx Joined Mon 08/19/13 Posts: 4958	Mon 03/23/15 04:30 AM
Why is it that Muslim men don't discipline their own children and that's the wife's job?? if you want to learn about Islam, go study ISLAM, don't study the Muslims or non Muslims. learn and read from Quran and what would the non-Muslim's reaction be when they read the verses that tell Muslims to fight infidels (non-Muslims) until they convert or pay (Jizyah) ? i still wounder why many Christians convert into Islam with the presence of such hateful verses .... i would like to know if Sheik read them before converting Well said Fox and you should know as you were once Muslim, as I believe? correct , i had been Muslim until i was 25 years old . I am not against Islam , my whole family and most of my friends and colleagues are Muslims , i just want Muslims to rethink about the current situation of their religion ... it needs a real revolution to get rid of all the outdated aspects and laws , they can't keep convincing others about the humane nature of Islam when we witness the opposite by Muslims East and West ... look at British Muslims whose numbers in ISIS are increasing for example , you can't blame their society or country as people usually do to justify terrorism ( by blaming iniquity/ignorance in the non-developed countries ) as those guys had the best chances in the most civilized communities , the defect was in their ideology that encourages them to join the ranks of the most brutal and bloody terrorist organization ever !

Ɔʎɹɐx Joined Mon 08/19/13 Posts: 4958	Mon 03/23/15 07:35 AM
Well, that was a whole bunch of Hadiths, of which I can't say I'm a supporter of. ********************************************************************************** Many a time I've had to give my children a spanking, and I'm a Man. If a Wife wishes to do so in my absents... Let Her. so,you do not support the Hadiths of your Prophet? http://www.wsj.com/articles/a-reformation-for-islam-1426859626 many Muslims deny many (Hadiths) and say that they weren't told by Mohammad himself , but written after his death by "those who wanted to distort Islam" . on the other hand they can't deny what is written in Quraan , as they believe it's God's words , and it has remained the same since it was "delivered" to Mohammad .

Conrad_73 Joined Sat 09/29/07 Posts: 22488	Mon 03/23/15 07:56 AM
Well, that was a whole bunch of Hadiths, of which I can't say I'm a supporter of. ********************************************************************************** Many a time I've had to give my children a spanking, and I'm a Man. If a Wife wishes to do so in my absents... Let Her. so,you do not support the Hadiths of your Prophet? http://www.wsj.com/articles/a-reformation-for-islam-1426859626 many Muslims deny many (Hadiths) and say that they weren't told by Mohammad himself , but written after his death by "those who wanted to distort Islam" . on the other hand they can't deny what is written in Quraan , as they believe it's God's words , and it has remained the same since it was "delivered" to Mohammad .

SheikOfLaBroquerie Joined Thu 01/31/13 Posts: 1973	Mon 03/23/15 09:55 AM
and what would the non-Muslim's reaction be when they read the verses that tell Muslims to fight infidels (non-Muslims) until they convert or pay (Jizyah) ? i still wounder why many Christians convert into Islam with the presence of such hateful verses .... i would like to know if Sheik read them before converting Yes Mr. Fox, I'm very familiar with the reference to those who after having had started a horrific war (Mostly Pagans & Idol Worshipers) and the Muslim community fought them back till they surrendered... And because there's no compulsion to convert to Islam, even-after-that, they at the very least are obliged to pay the same-amount as the Muslim community to the coffers of Charity. So, what's so bad about that ? Europeans have demanded restitution for countless wars all though the ages, and when the Muslim Community demands restitution for all the damage from those who were determined to destroy them... You Shout, "Foul!" Tell me Mr. Fox... Just how-much Lawlessness will You condone ?

SheikOfLaBroquerie Joined Thu 01/31/13 Posts: 1973	Mon 03/23/15 10:23 AM
so,you do not support the Hadiths of your Prophet? http://www.wsj.com/articles/a-reformation-for-islam-1426859626 So, what's Your point Conrad_73...? Yes, I've been saying all-along that I have no use for Hadiths, and then You direct us to a Site that more-or-less confirms what I've been saying all-along... Are You trying to imply there's something there, when there isn't ? **************************************************************************************************************************************** Now, I dually noted that Brother hafeezr80 used a very brief Hadith... A Hadith that is so brief and so non-controversial that nobody would have cause to have any dissention about it. Like I said before, "The Shorter The Hadith, The Less Likely There's Anything Disagreeable About It." (As They're Usually Just Good General Advice) **************** And ****************** "The More Long-Winded The Hadith, The More Likely There's Something Wrong With It."

SheikOfLaBroquerie Joined Thu 01/31/13 Posts: 1973	Mon 03/23/15 12:03 PM
********* Correction Notice ******* ************************************************************************************************************************************** Now, I dually noted that Brother hafeezr80 didn't used a very brief Hadith... A Hadith that is not so brief and so uncontroversial that nobody would have cause to have any dissention about it. Like I said before, "The Shorter The Hadith, The Less Likely There's Anything Disagreeable About It." (As They're Usually Just Good General Advice) **************** And ****************** "The More Long-Winded The Hadith, The More Likely There's Something Wrong With It." Really, for as often as somebody does use a Hadith... I can't even bother to remember Who's Who. That's how-little I hold the Hadiths as being of any pertinence to the advancement of Islam.

longgydicky Joined Wed 10/16/13 Posts: 60	Tue 03/24/15 12:04 AM
you are a. fool hafeez ......after death it's just the soul there is no sex,religion,country or any other ********...

BrownTeaz Joined Fri 11/07/14 Posts: 58	Tue 03/24/15 12:27 PM
Every society has their own special way of being sexist. It is obvious the westerners here ignore their own brand of sexism when they make fun and question another society's brand of it. Why can't you all see that it's always wrong to treat women wrong no matter where or how or why? I talk about it all the time, still no one agrees here, but are ready to diss other cultures for the way they mistreat women when it is obvious none of you actually cares about how women are treated badly anyway. In some ways Muslims have more respect for women in some ways less, which is why it is intriguing for western women to want to learn more. For example Muslims revere women as mothers, in the west women are revered for their ability to remain sexy while being able to hang with the guys. Stoned to death takes some doing though right. Being found guilty of adultery even though the woman was raped. Like chalk and cheese. So are you saying some Muslim men are like this?? I want to know more about their lifestyle and how they treat their wife and children?? Debbie, I would recommend that you read " Girls of Riyadh" by Rajaa Alsanea. It was originally released in Arabic (and banned in Saudi Arabia) but now is available in English. Its based on true life stories of 4 young women who experienced 'love' and relationships differently from each other. You will see that there is really no one answer to your question "how they treat their wives and children". You'll be surprised to find that these true stories are no different to what you see around you (regarding cultures or even religions). Plus I work in Riyadh, women here are no different to other women elsewhere in the world. Their day to day family life may be a little bit more restricted (especially when it comes to dating) but everything else (including marriage) is the same as anywhere else.

messi_is_a_tim_1888 Joined Fri 11/28/14 Posts: 3309	Tue 03/24/15 12:36 PM
Every society has their own special way of being sexist. It is obvious the westerners here ignore their own brand of sexism when they make fun and question another society's brand of it. Why can't you all see that it's always wrong to treat women wrong no matter where or how or why? I talk about it all the time, still no one agrees here, but are ready to diss other cultures for the way they mistreat women when it is obvious none of you actually cares about how women are treated badly anyway. In some ways Muslims have more respect for women in some ways less, which is why it is intriguing for western women to want to learn more. For example Muslims revere women as mothers, in the west women are revered for their ability to remain sexy while being able to hang with the guys. Stoned to death takes some doing though right. Being found guilty of adultery even though the woman was raped. Like chalk and cheese. So are you saying some Muslim men are like this?? I want to know more about their lifestyle and how they treat their wife and children?? Debbie, I would recommend that you read " Girls of Riyadh" by Rajaa Alsanea. It was originally released in Arabic (and banned in Saudi Arabia) but now is available in English. Its based on true life stories of 4 young women who experienced 'love' and relationships differently from each other. You will see that there is really no one answer to your question "how they treat their wives and children". You'll be surprised to find that these true stories are no different to what you see around you (regarding cultures or even religions). Plus I work in Riyadh, women here are no different to other women elsewhere in the world. Their day to day family life may be a little bit more restricted (especially when it comes to dating) but everything else (including marriage) is the same as anywhere else. Why don't you tell the truth, that you treat women with contempt in Islam, cos you class them as 2nd class citizens? ,Out of sight and out of mind, as everything is geared up for the males, to enjoy, not the babymaking machine who is stuck at home all the time, isn,'t it?

debbie1980 Joined Sun 09/09/07 Posts: 20487	Tue 03/24/15 12:57 PM
Every society has their own special way of being sexist. It is obvious the westerners here ignore their own brand of sexism when they make fun and question another society's brand of it. Why can't you all see that it's always wrong to treat women wrong no matter where or how or why? I talk about it all the time, still no one agrees here, but are ready to diss other cultures for the way they mistreat women when it is obvious none of you actually cares about how women are treated badly anyway. In some ways Muslims have more respect for women in some ways less, which is why it is intriguing for western women to want to learn more. For example Muslims revere women as mothers, in the west women are revered for their ability to remain sexy while being able to hang with the guys. Stoned to death takes some doing though right. Being found guilty of adultery even though the woman was raped. Like chalk and cheese. So are you saying some Muslim men are like this?? I want to know more about their lifestyle and how they treat their wife and children?? Debbie, I would recommend that you read " Girls of Riyadh" by Rajaa Alsanea. It was originally released in Arabic (and banned in Saudi Arabia) but now is available in English. Its based on true life stories of 4 young women who experienced 'love' and relationships differently from each other. You will see that there is really no one answer to your question "how they treat their wives and children". You'll be surprised to find that these true stories are no different to what you see around you (regarding cultures or even religions). Plus I work in Riyadh, women here are no different to other women elsewhere in the world. Their day to day family life may be a little bit more restricted (especially when it comes to dating) but everything else (including marriage) is the same as anywhere else. Why don't you tell the truth, that you treat women with contempt in Islam, cos you class them as 2nd class citizens? ,Out of sight and out of mind, as everything is geared up for the males, to enjoy, not the babymaking machine who is stuck at home all the time, isn,'t it? I found that this is correct.

debbie1980 Joined Sun 09/09/07 Posts: 20487	Tue 03/24/15 01:00 PM
Every society has their own special way of being sexist. It is obvious the westerners here ignore their own brand of sexism when they make fun and question another society's brand of it. Why can't you all see that it's always wrong to treat women wrong no matter where or how or why? I talk about it all the time, still no one agrees here, but are ready to diss other cultures for the way they mistreat women when it is obvious none of you actually cares about how women are treated badly anyway. In some ways Muslims have more respect for women in some ways less, which is why it is intriguing for western women to want to learn more. For example Muslims revere women as mothers, in the west women are revered for their ability to remain sexy while being able to hang with the guys. Stoned to death takes some doing though right. Being found guilty of adultery even though the woman was raped. Like chalk and cheese. So are you saying some Muslim men are like this?? I want to know more about their lifestyle and how they treat their wife and children?? Debbie, I would recommend that you read " Girls of Riyadh" by Rajaa Alsanea. It was originally released in Arabic (and banned in Saudi Arabia) but now is available in English. Its based on true life stories of 4 young women who experienced 'love' and relationships differently from each other. You will see that there is really no one answer to your question "how they treat their wives and children". You'll be surprised to find that these true stories are no different to what you see around you (regarding cultures or even religions). Plus I work in Riyadh, women here are no different to other women elsewhere in the world. Their day to day family life may be a little bit more restricted (especially when it comes to dating) but everything else (including marriage) is the same as anywhere else. Thanks, but I don't need to. It's all over now. I ended it. What messi said was true in this case

mightymoe Joined Sun 11/19/06 Posts: 37362	Tue 03/24/15 01:15 PM
Every society has their own special way of being sexist. It is obvious the westerners here ignore their own brand of sexism when they make fun and question another society's brand of it. Why can't you all see that it's always wrong to treat women wrong no matter where or how or why? I talk about it all the time, still no one agrees here, but are ready to diss other cultures for the way they mistreat women when it is obvious none of you actually cares about how women are treated badly anyway. In some ways Muslims have more respect for women in some ways less, which is why it is intriguing for western women to want to learn more. For example Muslims revere women as mothers, in the west women are revered for their ability to remain sexy while being able to hang with the guys. Stoned to death takes some doing though right. Being found guilty of adultery even though the woman was raped. Like chalk and cheese. So are you saying some Muslim men are like this?? I want to know more about their lifestyle and how they treat their wife and children?? Debbie, I would recommend that you read " Girls of Riyadh" by Rajaa Alsanea. It was originally released in Arabic (and banned in Saudi Arabia) but now is available in English. Its based on true life stories of 4 young women who experienced 'love' and relationships differently from each other. You will see that there is really no one answer to your question "how they treat their wives and children". You'll be surprised to find that these true stories are no different to what you see around you (regarding cultures or even religions). Plus I work in Riyadh, women here are no different to other women elsewhere in the world. Their day to day family life may be a little bit more restricted (especially when it comes to dating) but everything else (including marriage) is the same as anywhere else. http://blogs.state.gov/stories/2007/10/12/american-girl-riyadh women are no different than anywhere else in the world... are women allowed to drive anywhere else in the world? are women allowed to wear what they want anywhere else in the world? you lie and make it sound so wonderful to be woman there, why is that? muslim women there have no rights, and sharia law is in full effect..

BrownTeaz Joined Fri 11/07/14 Posts: 58	Tue 03/24/15 01:18 PM
Every society has their own special way of being sexist. It is obvious the westerners here ignore their own brand of sexism when they make fun and question another society's brand of it. Why can't you all see that it's always wrong to treat women wrong no matter where or how or why? I talk about it all the time, still no one agrees here, but are ready to diss other cultures for the way they mistreat women when it is obvious none of you actually cares about how women are treated badly anyway. In some ways Muslims have more respect for women in some ways less, which is why it is intriguing for western women to want to learn more. For example Muslims revere women as mothers, in the west women are revered for their ability to remain sexy while being able to hang with the guys. Stoned to death takes some doing though right. Being found guilty of adultery even though the woman was raped. Like chalk and cheese. So are you saying some Muslim men are like this?? I want to know more about their lifestyle and how they treat their wife and children?? Debbie, I would recommend that you read " Girls of Riyadh" by Rajaa Alsanea. It was originally released in Arabic (and banned in Saudi Arabia) but now is available in English. Its based on true life stories of 4 young women who experienced 'love' and relationships differently from each other. You will see that there is really no one answer to your question "how they treat their wives and children". You'll be surprised to find that these true stories are no different to what you see around you (regarding cultures or even religions). Plus I work in Riyadh, women here are no different to other women elsewhere in the world. Their day to day family life may be a little bit more restricted (especially when it comes to dating) but everything else (including marriage) is the same as anywhere else. Why don't you tell the truth, that you treat women with contempt in Islam, cos you class them as 2nd class citizens? ,Out of sight and out of mind, as everything is geared up for the males, to enjoy, not the babymaking machine who is stuck at home all the time, isn,'t it? Messi, I don't treat women here any different to any other woman in any part of the world ... Why? Because I AM a woman myself. Plus I'm not married. And that's my truth. I don't know what truth you are referring to. Debbie; you were looking for answers, I was merely making a suggestion. Read the book, don't read it, it doesn't bother me one bit. ...And like I said, based on my personal experience with the women I work with here in Riyadh, relationships are not all bad (this is based on the info they share with me about their personal lives). Like anywhere else in the world, there are happy marriages and unhappy ones. Every woman has a different story to tell.

mightymoe Joined Sun 11/19/06 Posts: 37362	Tue 03/24/15 01:21 PM
Every society has their own special way of being sexist. It is obvious the westerners here ignore their own brand of sexism when they make fun and question another society's brand of it. Why can't you all see that it's always wrong to treat women wrong no matter where or how or why? I talk about it all the time, still no one agrees here, but are ready to diss other cultures for the way they mistreat women when it is obvious none of you actually cares about how women are treated badly anyway. In some ways Muslims have more respect for women in some ways less, which is why it is intriguing for western women to want to learn more. For example Muslims revere women as mothers, in the west women are revered for their ability to remain sexy while being able to hang with the guys. Stoned to death takes some doing though right. Being found guilty of adultery even though the woman was raped. Like chalk and cheese. So are you saying some Muslim men are like this?? I want to know more about their lifestyle and how they treat their wife and children?? Debbie, I would recommend that you read " Girls of Riyadh" by Rajaa Alsanea. It was originally released in Arabic (and banned in Saudi Arabia) but now is available in English. Its based on true life stories of 4 young women who experienced 'love' and relationships differently from each other. You will see that there is really no one answer to your question "how they treat their wives and children". You'll be surprised to find that these true stories are no different to what you see around you (regarding cultures or even religions). Plus I work in Riyadh, women here are no different to other women elsewhere in the world. Their day to day family life may be a little bit more restricted (especially when it comes to dating) but everything else (including marriage) is the same as anywhere else. Why don't you tell the truth, that you treat women with contempt in Islam, cos you class them as 2nd class citizens? ,Out of sight and out of mind, as everything is geared up for the males, to enjoy, not the babymaking machine who is stuck at home all the time, isn,'t it? Messi, I don't treat women here any different to any other woman in any part of the world ... Why? Because I AM a woman myself. Plus I'm not married. And that's my truth. I don't know what truth you are referring to. Debbie; you were looking for answers, I was merely making a suggestion. Read the book, don't read it, it doesn't bother me one bit. ...And like I said, based on my personal experience with the women I work with here in Riyadh, relationships are not all bad (this is based on the info they share with me about their personal lives). Like anywhere else in the world, there are happy marriages and unhappy ones. Every woman has a different story to tell. only if the man says it's ok for the woman to tell a story...

Conrad_73 Joined Sat 09/29/07 Posts: 22488	Tue 03/24/15 01:24 PM
Every society has their own special way of being sexist. It is obvious the westerners here ignore their own brand of sexism when they make fun and question another society's brand of it. Why can't you all see that it's always wrong to treat women wrong no matter where or how or why? I talk about it all the time, still no one agrees here, but are ready to diss other cultures for the way they mistreat women when it is obvious none of you actually cares about how women are treated badly anyway. In some ways Muslims have more respect for women in some ways less, which is why it is intriguing for western women to want to learn more. For example Muslims revere women as mothers, in the west women are revered for their ability to remain sexy while being able to hang with the guys. Stoned to death takes some doing though right. Being found guilty of adultery even though the woman was raped. Like chalk and cheese. So are you saying some Muslim men are like this?? I want to know more about their lifestyle and how they treat their wife and children?? Debbie, I would recommend that you read " Girls of Riyadh" by Rajaa Alsanea. It was originally released in Arabic (and banned in Saudi Arabia) but now is available in English. Its based on true life stories of 4 young women who experienced 'love' and relationships differently from each other. You will see that there is really no one answer to your question "how they treat their wives and children". You'll be surprised to find that these true stories are no different to what you see around you (regarding cultures or even religions). Plus I work in Riyadh, women here are no different to other women elsewhere in the world. Their day to day family life may be a little bit more restricted (especially when it comes to dating) but everything else (including marriage) is the same as anywhere else. Why don't you tell the truth, that you treat women with contempt in Islam, cos you class them as 2nd class citizens? ,Out of sight and out of mind, as everything is geared up for the males, to enjoy, not the babymaking machine who is stuck at home all the time, isn,'t it? Messi, I don't treat women here any different to any other woman in any part of the world ... Why? Because I AM a woman myself. Plus I'm not married. And that's my truth. I don't know what truth you are referring to. Debbie; you were looking for answers, I was merely making a suggestion. Read the book, don't read it, it doesn't bother me one bit. ...And like I said, based on my personal experience with the women I work with here in Riyadh, relationships are not all bad (this is based on the info they share with me about their personal lives). Like anywhere else in the world, there are happy marriages and unhappy ones. Every woman has a different story to tell. probably they do not exchange information with a Dhimmi,who might later on be forced to rat on them?

BrownTeaz Joined Fri 11/07/14 Posts: 58	Tue 03/24/15 01:37 PM
Just my personal experience. I'll leave it at that!