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More "facts" to fit your narrative. The gist of my original post went over your head......Ill send you the $1200 dollar bill for my moms, who's 83 and on Medicare, last hospital stay in February....under Obamacare......vs the same stay 2 1/2 years ago before the ACA took effect....and the out of pocket was $52....Those are MY facts. Oh. Sorry. I could see how your mother is the world to you and I'm sorry she's not doing too well. You also didn't mention her in your other post. If you want to post the medical bills from before and after and show us that the two bills are years apart, but otherwise exactly the same, then you might have something, except that medical costs have been going up and only the rate of increase was slowed since Obamacare. Again, sorry for your troubles. |
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Why don't we just have a complete government takeover of all health care. Look at how great the VA is. That is a government run system. Then again, if more veterans would have just had the common decency to be KIA, maybe there wouldn't be such a backlog. Yeah, the VA system is woefully underfunded, truely. Cannot argue, there, but back to the point of the thread. As far as I see, the VA is being fixed. My local clinic is pretty nice, but I don't see the whole system. The ACA, or Obamacare, is not healthcare, but just a law that regulates some aspects of it. It's not your hospital; not your insurance, but does mandate some of the things your insurance can and must do. No more excepting preexisting conditions, for example. Ripping off the public is limited, too--they have to refund customers if they don't spend 80-85% on actual health care. I guess Republicans long for the days when insurance companies could charge whatever they wanted and drop coverage for no good reason. Go ahead and defend that, though! More money into a failed bureaucracy is not the issue with the VA. The problem is exorbitant salaries for neglect. And no, the VA is not getting better. As for Obamacare, if it's so great, why are the politicians and bureaucrats exempt? |
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More money into a failed bureaucracy is not the issue with the VA. The problem is exorbitant salaries for neglect. And no, the VA is not getting better. As for Obamacare, if it's so great, why are the politicians and bureaucrats exempt? How are they exempt? I suppose they don't have to go through Healthcare.gov to shop for insurance, but that's because they already have government health insurance from before, and "if you like your insurance, you can keep it." Otherwise, there's nothing in the ACA that says Congress may not use the exchanges. |
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More money into a failed bureaucracy is not the issue with the VA. The problem is exorbitant salaries for neglect. And no, the VA is not getting better. As for Obamacare, if it's so great, why are the politicians and bureaucrats exempt? How are they exempt? I suppose they don't have to go through Healthcare.gov to shop for insurance, but that's because they already have government health insurance from before, and "if you like your insurance, you can keep it." Otherwise, there's nothing in the ACA that says Congress may not use the exchanges. "If you like your plan you can keep it" was named lie of the year. What he really meant is, "if WE like your plan you can keep it." And forcing people to buy a product is not within the rights of the federal government under the Constitution. But I guess that's just some antiquated piece of paper that some old dead white guys came up with, so it's irrelevant, right? |
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Why don't we just have a complete government takeover of all health care. Look at how great the VA is. That is a government run system. Then again, if more veterans would have just had the common decency to be KIA, maybe there wouldn't be such a backlog. Yeah, the VA system is woefully underfunded, truely. Cannot argue, there, but back to the point of the thread. As far as I see, the VA is being fixed. My local clinic is pretty nice, but I don't see the whole system. The ACA, or Obamacare, is not healthcare, but just a law that regulates some aspects of it. It's not your hospital; not your insurance, but does mandate some of the things your insurance can and must do. No more excepting preexisting conditions, for example. Ripping off the public is limited, too--they have to refund customers if they don't spend 80-85% on actual health care. I guess Republicans long for the days when insurance companies could charge whatever they wanted and drop coverage for no good reason. Go ahead and defend that, though! We long for the days when we had the freedom to choose whether we even WANTED healthcare or not?.... |
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We long for the days when we had the freedom to choose whether we even WANTED healthcare or not?.... You can still choose to not have health insurance. You only pay like 2% in a tax penalty. Just the cost of passing on your risk to the rest of society. Still your choice. |
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Edited by
Sojourning_Soul
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Tue 03/24/15 09:09 AM
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We long for the days when we had the freedom to choose whether we even WANTED healthcare or not?.... You can still choose to not have health insurance. You only pay like 2% in a tax penalty. Just the cost of passing on your risk to the rest of society. Still your choice.  That shows how little you know about what is actually in the Obozocare law.... or rather the tax as it's written!
But no worries..... if you don't understand it. The notice, or bill, you receive instead of a tax return will explain it for you |
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We long for the days when we had the freedom to choose whether we even WANTED healthcare or not?.... You can still choose to not have health insurance. You only pay like 2% in a tax penalty. Just the cost of passing on your risk to the rest of society. Still your choice. That shows how little you know about what is actually in the Obozocare law.... or rather tax!
You Got To Vote For It,Before You Can Read It,and then we will periodically suspend Sections of the Law,and change others as we see fit,to keep you even more in the dark!
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If you want to post the medical bills
The problem with that is that you, purposely or not, assume that I don't know how to discern the differences, or lack thereof, in two medical bills. Which is ok.....you don't know me and I'm fully aware of the "we know better than you" attitude of the liberal mindset.
from before and after and show us that the two bills are years apart, but otherwise exactly the same, then you might have something, Again, sorry for your troubles. Thanks....she's doing better....except for the lighter bank account.
You can still choose to not have health
insurance. You only pay like 2% in a tax penalty. Just the cost of passing on your risk to the rest of society. Still your choice. I could make a snarky remark but you truly believe this.....and it's sad. Government isn't the solution my friend, it's the problem. I'll give you that healthcare here did have it's issues. But, I would've equated those problems with an automobile in need of a quick tune-up. Instead, it got a full engine and chassis rebuild.....by a group of fourth graders. We'll never convince each other of our thoughts on the subject, so I'll just agree to disagree. I'm just not gonna take a link involving Rachel Maddow as fact
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We long for the days when we had the freedom to choose whether we even WANTED healthcare or not?.... You can still choose to not have health insurance. You only pay like 2% in a tax penalty. Just the cost of passing on your risk to the rest of society. Still your choice. That shows how little you know about what is actually in the Obozocare law.... or rather tax!
You Got To Vote For It,Before You Can Read It,and then we will periodically suspend Sections of the Law,and change others as we see fit,to keep you even more in the dark!
The transparency was blinding.
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"We have to pass the bill to find out what's in it." - Nancy Pelosi
This quote alone means it's a bad law because no one knew what they were voting on, but they damn sure knew that they know better that the pathetic peons they rule over instead of represent. |
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We long for the days when we had the freedom to choose whether we even WANTED healthcare or not?.... You can still choose to not have health insurance. You only pay like 2% in a tax penalty. Just the cost of passing on your risk to the rest of society. Still your choice. That shows how little you know about what is actually in the Obozocare law.... or rather tax!
You Got To Vote For It,Before You Can Read It,and then we will periodically suspend Sections of the Law,and change others as we see fit,to keep you even more in the dark!
The transparency was blinding.
absotively and posilutely!
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Edited by
Conrad_73
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Tue 03/24/15 04:20 PM
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Lets post the name of that page that was linked and have a big laugh..... "" The Rachel Maddow Show / The MaddowBlog"" Rachel Madcow! 
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"We never recovered from the ObamaCare rollout."
That was former U.S. Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid's take on the election buzzsaw Senate Demoncraps ran into at the ballot box in November 2014. And he's not the only prominent Demoncrap with second thoughts about the ObamaCare DISASTER that's getting worse every day. U.S. Senator Chuck Schumer (D-NY) recently called passing ObamaCare a mistake, saying "Democrats blew the opportunity the American people gave them." And former Obama administration Health and Human Services Secretary Kathleen Sebelius admitted ObamaCare was "a very bad brand." |
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"He" who!? is an idiot.
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"We never recovered from the ObamaCare rollout." That was former U.S. Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid's take on the election buzzsaw Senate Demoncraps ran into at the ballot box in November 2014. And he's not the only prominent Demoncrap with second thoughts about the ObamaCare DISASTER that's getting worse every day. U.S. Senator Chuck Schumer (D-NY) recently called passing ObamaCare a mistake, saying "Democrats blew the opportunity the American people gave them." And former Obama administration Health and Human Services Secretary Kathleen Sebelius admitted ObamaCare was "a very bad brand." Even though he's not an elected official, remember Jonathan Gruber's multiple statements about how they had to lie to us about Obamacare because we are too stupid to know that we really want it. |
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and and yet, one day after throwing his hat in the presidential ring,
and pledging to repeal every word of ObamaCare legislation, ... Ted Cruz, today announces his intention to sign up for ObamaCare.... why doesn't he just purchase his own insurance privately ?? or better yet, if he, or any family members happen to fall ill, they can just get in line at the emergency room of the nearest hospital.... can it get any more hypocritical than that ? 
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and and yet, one day after throwing his hat in the presidential ring, and pledging to repeal every word of ObamaCare legislation, ... Ted Cruz, today announces his intention to sign up for ObamaCare.... why doesn't he just purchase his own insurance privately ?? or better yet, if he, or any family members happen to fall ill, they can just get in line at the emergency room of the nearest hospital.... can it get any more hypocritical than that ?
Goldman Cruz, the bankers boy, Israel firster, posing as a conservative? |
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Why don't we just have a complete government takeover of all health care. Look at how great the VA is. That is a government run system. Then again, if more veterans would have just had the common decency to be KIA, maybe there wouldn't be such a backlog. Yeah, the VA system is woefully underfunded, truely. Cannot argue, there, but back to the point of the thread. As far as I see, the VA is being fixed. My local clinic is pretty nice, but I don't see the whole system. The ACA, or Obamacare, is not healthcare, but just a law that regulates some aspects of it. It's not your hospital; not your insurance, but does mandate some of the things your insurance can and must do. No more excepting preexisting conditions, for example. Ripping off the public is limited, too--they have to refund customers if they don't spend 80-85% on actual health care. I guess Republicans long for the days when insurance companies could charge whatever they wanted and drop coverage for no good reason. Go ahead and defend that, though! The problem with the B.S. you're spreading, is that insurance companies are now charging more for healthcare, than ever before. Prior to obonzocare being passed, my healthcare coverage cost me sixty dollars a month. Shortly after obonzocare passed, my monthly cost for coverage jumped to over three hundred dollars a month... Currently, the cost is astronomical. Guess those who live a subsidized life, wouldn't notice the increases. Because, the taxpayers, pay the bills for them. |
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and and yet, one day after throwing his hat in the presidential ring, and pledging to repeal every word of ObamaCare legislation, ... Ted Cruz, today announces his intention to sign up for ObamaCare.... why doesn't he just purchase his own insurance privately ?? or better yet, if he, or any family members happen to fall ill, they can just get in line at the emergency room of the nearest hospital.... can it get any more hypocritical than that ?
Ted Cruz, while while his politics are the polar opposite of Obama's, is every bit as unqualified and incompetent. |
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