Topic: Rand Paul Presidential Campaign Announcement
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Wed 04/08/15 02:50 PM
It really bothers me that my daughter who was born in a foreign country, but our family goes back generations in the US, can't become president of the US even though she is American. Also, she does not automatically get any citizenship or anything at all in the country she was born in even though it does allow dual citizenship, there is nothing for babies born to foreign parents on this country's soil. And yet some Chinese on 'vacation' has a baby on US soil and that baby can go on to become US president one day. Doesn't that make no sense?

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Wed 04/08/15 03:12 PM



Don't know what foreign born means?

Anywhere outside the Cont US is foreign, and yes, that includes Hawaii although it is a state of the union.


Meanwhile, back in this universe, the word "foreign" refers to anything from outside of one's nation, and the state of Hawaii is within the USA.

Granted, that fact doesn't prevent birthers from trying to move the goal posts by offering a false definition of "foreign".


sorry, Africa is foreign, no goalposts being moved there...


Hawaii isn't foreign from an American perspective, and President Obama was born there despite the false claims made by birthers.

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Wed 04/08/15 03:19 PM
I would vote for him too but not those "bottom sucking turds", as mentioned earlier.

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Wed 04/08/15 05:10 PM


Don't know what foreign born means?

Anywhere outside the Cont US is foreign, and yes, that includes Hawaii although it is a state of the union.


Meanwhile, back in this universe, the word "foreign" refers to anything from outside of one's nation, and the state of Hawaii is within the USA.

Granted, that fact doesn't prevent birthers from trying to move the goal posts by offering a false definition of "foreign".


Any place outside our borders is foreign. You can't drive to Hawaii

From Websters:

3.
external to one's own country or nation:
5.
belonging to or coming from another district, province, etc.
6.
located outside a specific district, province, etc.

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Wed 04/08/15 05:26 PM




Don't know what foreign born means?

Anywhere outside the Cont US is foreign, and yes, that includes Hawaii although it is a state of the union.


Meanwhile, back in this universe, the word "foreign" refers to anything from outside of one's nation, and the state of Hawaii is within the USA.

Granted, that fact doesn't prevent birthers from trying to move the goal posts by offering a false definition of "foreign".


sorry, Africa is foreign, no goalposts being moved there...


Hawaii isn't foreign from an American perspective, and President Obama was born there despite the false claims made by birthers.


the way i see it, your in no better position to say where he was born than i am...you listen to your news, i listen to mine...

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Wed 04/08/15 08:29 PM
only question now is when are the main stream media going to begin their smeer campaign of paul. they did the same thing to his father, it was pittiful how the media screwed ron out of having a chance to be president. ron paul would have been the best thing to happen to this country in a long time but... ron believes in the constitution, which therefore makes him "radical". theres a video on youtube that shows how hard the media tried to make paul look like he didnt even exist. its called "how the media cheated ron paul out of presidency" and it shows multiple examples of the media would go out of their way to make him look bad, or just not mention him at all as they talk about all the other candidates, trust me if your a ron paul fan you should see this video. romney had trouble getting 50 people at his speeches while ron paul was filling venue's by the 1000's. its a good video to check out. im just afraid theyre going to do the same to rand, rand is not his father, but hes the next best thing. and i believe the real controllers of government fear him enough to use any means necessary to make sure he dont come into the presidency. its all going to be about discrediting him and making him look radical same as they did to poor ron. like i said from what i can tell rand isnt the same guy as ron, but hes better than any of the other politicians we will have for choices. such a shame how they did ron, that was a clear cut path to being free again, but again someone didnt want that so they rigged it for paul to lose.

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Thu 04/09/15 01:10 AM
If I know that Obama's mother, grandmother and great-grandmother were American, I would not even care where he was born. Like in my above example, there are people less deserving who can be US president because of that born on US soil law, which should be abolished. One to give equality to Americans born abroad, and two to protect Americans from foreigners born in the US.

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Thu 04/09/15 01:42 AM

If I know that Obama's mother, grandmother and great-grandmother were American, I would not even care where he was born. Like in my above example, there are people less deserving who can be US president because of that born on US soil law, which should be abolished. One to give equality to Americans born abroad, and two to protect Americans from foreigners born in the US.


That's not the way it works. Being a natural born citizen is not the same as being born on American soil. And it's not just some law. It's the Constitution. It's not as simple as just overturning a law. Ted Cruz was born in Canada and he was the first to officially announce his candidacy for 2016, and he is eligible run. John McCain was born in Panama and he ran for President. Mitt Romney's father, who was born in Mexico, also sought the Republican nomination years ago. People often completely misunderstand this clause. If your parents are American citizens who are overseas when you are born, you are still eligible to be President. Otherwise many children of military personnel could never hold the office.

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Thu 04/09/15 03:26 AM
Then why do people believe Obama should prove where he was born? His mother was American. So, it means it doesn't matter where he was born right?


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Thu 04/09/15 05:00 AM
Yet another political thread derailed talking about Obama. I for one have already had enough of him. Bring in the next clown please.

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Thu 04/09/15 05:21 AM

Yet another political thread derailed talking about Obama. I for one have already had enough of him. Bring in the next clown please.


Thank you. I thought this was about Rand Paul announcing his candidacy.

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Thu 04/09/15 05:24 AM

Then why do people believe Obama should prove where he was born? His mother was American. So, it means it doesn't matter where he was born right?




His father not being an American is why his citizenship was called into question. This is a valid issue. And I'm not sure that you're right about "anchor babies" being eligible when they are of age.

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Thu 04/09/15 05:31 AM


Then why do people believe Obama should prove where he was born? His mother was American. So, it means it doesn't matter where he was born right?




His father not being an American is why his citizenship was called into question. This is a valid issue. And I'm not sure that you're right about "anchor babies" being eligible when they are of age.


In the case of United States vs. Wong Kim Ark, the SCOTUS ruled that a person is a natural-born U.S. citizen if that person was born on U.S. soil.
President Obama was born on U.S. soil because he was born in Hawaii ...

... and, yes, Hawaii is within the country of the USA.

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Thu 04/09/15 06:30 AM



Then why do people believe Obama should prove where he was born? His mother was American. So, it means it doesn't matter where he was born right?




His father not being an American is why his citizenship was called into question. This is a valid issue. And I'm not sure that you're right about "anchor babies" being eligible when they are of age.


In the case of United States vs. Wong Kim Ark, the SCOTUS ruled that a person is a natural-born U.S. citizen if that person was born on U.S. soil.
President Obama was born on U.S. soil because he was born in Hawaii ...

... and, yes, Hawaii is within the country of the USA.


However, because he did spend a significant portion of his youth overseas with a father who was never a citizen, that's why his country of birth WAS a legitimate issue when it was first raised. Once the birth certificate was presented, that was the end of it. The tinfoil hatters staying on this issue when we are more than halfway through his second term serves no purpose and may even hurt the chances of a competent President being elected next year.

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Thu 04/09/15 06:36 AM
Ok I think I get it now...

My daughter is eligible to become the US president because she was a natural born US citizen. Anyone who gains citizenship after birth as in a naturalized US citizen is not eligible for vice president or presidency.

My daughter is a natural born US citizen because her mother is American. Her father and place of birth do not make her American and do not make a difference.
As for Obama his place of birth and his father's citizenship do not matter either. He is still a natural born US citizen through his mother.

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Thu 04/09/15 06:58 AM

Ok I think I get it now...

My daughter is eligible to become the US president because she was a natural born US citizen. Anyone who gains citizenship after birth as in a naturalized US citizen is not eligible for vice president or presidency.

My daughter is a natural born US citizen because her mother is American. Her father and place of birth do not make her American and do not make a difference.
As for Obama his place of birth and his father's citizenship do not matter either. He is still a natural born US citizen through his mother.


You're almost right. In Obama's case he was raised, at least partially by his father. Therefore, regardless of whether or not he was born an American citizen, it's possible that he was not a citizen at some point in his life. It's less an issue of the geography of his birth and more an issue of whether he meets the Constitutional citizenship requirements. Furthermore, if he had been born overseas, was he a citizen of that country because he was born there? And depending on the laws of that country, it's possible that even with his mother being an American that she chose for him to have sole citizenship of that country. There are many factors that come into play.

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Thu 04/09/15 07:34 AM

Yet another political thread derailed talking about Obama. I for one have already had enough of him. Bring in the next clown please.
You didnt find all this discourse entertaining? Why heck, I even found it educational....I learned that Hawaii isnt really part of the U.S. because you cant actually "drive" there.
laugh laugh laugh laugh

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Thu 04/09/15 07:35 AM
Edited by Estelle79 on Thu 04/09/15 07:44 AM
If his mother is a US citizen this is enough to be US president...so no matter where he was born or who his father was he should not be questioned on this. Unless the identity of his mother is being questioned nothing else matters.

Basically you can be eligible for presidency if:
a) You were born in the US; no matter if your parents are foreign
or
b) Either of your parents are US citizens; no matter if you were born overseas

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Thu 04/09/15 07:52 AM


Yet another political thread derailed talking about Obama. I for one have already had enough of him. Bring in the next clown please.
You didnt find all this discourse entertaining? Why heck, I even found it educational....I learned that Hawaii isnt really part of the U.S. because you cant actually "drive" there.
laugh laugh laugh laugh


Some people! slaphead

No wonder we're in such a mess!

Guess facts are irrelevant or useless when there are no pictures accompanying them..... so Webster's dictionary has to be wrong!

Reading is fundamental! Understanding ..... that takes comprehension skills

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Thu 04/09/15 07:53 AM

If his mother is a US citizen this is enough to be US president...so no matter where he was born or who his father was he should not be questioned on this. Unless the identity of his mother is being questioned nothing else matters.

Basically you can be eligible for presidency if:
a) You were born in the US; no matter if your parents are foreign
or
b) Either of your parents are US citizens; no matter if you were born overseas


Again, you're close. He could have been born overseas, even to an American, and still not be born an American citizen. This depends on the laws of that country and the choices of the parents.