For a Death Sentence to get carried out in some states takes up to 25 years. My brother works on Nevada's only Death Row. Some of these guys die of old age before their sentence got carried out. 50-60 years ago the sentence was carried out immediately.

And maybe in very small businesses that works.. but not in most others. To get a decent job these days a background check is done. ( almost every job) And if you have done time, chances are you are not going to be hired. Why?.. because businesses are in business for one reason.. to make money. The best get the job and a criminal record is a big red flag.


It is a ( unfortunately for them) a by product of the trouble they got themselves into.

Fair... nope.. reality.. yep

Oh, nope. A rapist gets super special treatment in prison.

Sheriff Joe puts them in tents in the desert and feeds them Emu meat

Some are even advertising.....

"" To keep the money coming, jail officials
make a pitch in a special flier available at
the police station: "Serve your time in our
clean, safe secure facility! . . . Prices range
from $55 to $78 per day. . . . We are the
finest jail in Southern California!""
http://articles.latimes.com/2000/jul/09/local/me-50182

The issue is: when someone WILLING commits a crime, THEY gave up their RIGHTS & PRIVILEGES. *There is no mean man or a persecution dictatorship society took it away from them. They gave their rights & privileges away, voluntarily, by breaking the law*

But I see your point... God forbid we stop the exchange of gang & terrorist information & orders , from passing back & forth. And we wouldn't want to stop any pervert from getting his rocks off or stalking his next victim. Or checking his f**kbook account for the next riot address. ... Now would we

Like Caryl Chessman?

eleven years and ten months,from '48 to '60!

The rights to Appeal have always taken years!

Oh...yes, good ole Joe the scourge of Maricopa County; if nobody else could show the world how to screw over his tax payers then I'd not know whom that would be --- LMAO From his Wikipedia page >>>


And there was another segment about his infamous 'PINK BOXERS' that he had printed up for all those inmates to wear; he started selling them on line/at the county fairs/local city market days and netted a goodly profit; of which none of the funds ever showed up on the sheriff department books! Yipper, that 85+ yr old con-man sure knows how to turn a screw - screw the system and build a mafia empire all at the tax payers expense!

definitely, thats why I believe it should be offered and those willing to take the risk should have some perk for doing so,,,,

well, thats not completely true, not all crimes are equal so not all criminals are equal

someone for instance who was caught lying on the stand or selling weed is not equal to someone who brutally raped a woman,, and so we have a standard in the states to not just treat prisoners like crap because they are in jail

we have laws against cruel and unusual punishment and states have discretion to determine the minimum prison standard they wish to impose

in this culture it is very unusual for anyone not to have internet access(public libraries are free) or access to a library for instance, and of course exercise is important to health

so having internet access in jail is reasonable imho, not in every individual cell, but certainly accessible in a library type setting so they can continue to make themselves BETTER people and just like in any library its simple to set restrictions on the types of sites and activity that can happen on a computer

which is as much of the point to me as punishing them in a state where they will perpetually have no chance for growth and even become worse

ESPECIALLY that liar or weed seller who will be getting out and having to survive in society again

You've brought up some interesting 'food 4 thought' there; and back when there was a rush for all those states to vote in that '3 STRIKES 'N YOUR OUT' guideline for sentencing! Well, in theory that was supposed to take care of those repeat offenders but unfortunately the way that the law was written and the way the courts applied it was 2 highly different matters entirely! Once a 'New Law' is published and put into the law books {whatever state opts to use it - KS did not} they do not go back and readjust the length of time that crimes get adjudicated for specific offences {nothing retroactive happens in LAW} it just keeps moving forward; for example - someone with 2 drug busts on their record in California would only need to be busted for 1 more arrest of any kind {even a probation violation} and he/she would fall into that '3 STRIKES' and be sent away for life for drugs - while a heinous child rapist of the worst sort {allow your mind to go to that really dark place} gets his sentencing and is doing his time but there's a over crowding issue and they are in dire need of more roommates and prisoners per cells; guess who's going to get an EARLY RELEASE!

It's always - always the sexual perverts/pedophiles/sexual deviants that they dump back into society because they are a housing problem for penitentiaries---so where will those perverts relocate to?

Yipper...they'll be looking for a state that hasn't voted on that '3 STRIKES N' YOUR OUT' law; and KS is becoming a cesspool for meth heads and child molesters! Good Grief - our judicial system needs a house cleaning in the worst way; won't happen in my life time but it needs to be done!

well sounds like a good niche market.. start a company and then tell me how it works out. If your other employees appreciate your business decision. When we looked into it... our employees were not to keen on it.. not at all.

Emu meat, would seem like a step up
from the green bologna.

thats odd, my employer NEVER asked my opinion about who they hire nor shared with me their personal backgrounds,,,


but even so, Im sure there are companies who would be willing to contribute to society in this manner and who would employ the type of people that supported it,,,,

I have no idea what your standing is in the company you work for or if you would actually be involved in the decision making process of new employees or not. Chances are, your not. And chances are that most ex cons would not get to the actual interview in todays business world.

Did your company conduct a background check on you before they hired you?. Has any other people in your organization ever made mention that they did time?

I think the answers are yes and no... there is a reason for that.

I will tell you.. point blank. I have had ex cons apply for positions within our corporation at various levels.. And I have not hired them.. why.. because they have not passed the background investigation...so they never actually make it to the interview stage. plain and simple.

This is not Boys Town and I am not Father Flannigan. Its business.

Most companies invest in their employees.. which cost a lot of money and they want the best avalible. There is a sea of people avalible who have clean backgrounds.. a sea. They take precedence over ex cons

But if you are "high up the food chain" in your corporation and involved in the actual decision process, tell me how many ex cons have you hired?

well, my mom did hiring and firing over thousands in the cleveland post office and I know for a fact she would if given the chance

you speak of 'ex cons' as if they are all the same, they are not

I certainly wouldnt hire someone convicted of selling weed to work at my day care, but if I had a sales position selling something,, they might just already have a skill set that could be used and an opportunity that could teach them other legal avenues and experience selling something thats not criminal

I certainly wouldnt hire someone convicted of drunk driving to run a bar or valet, but they can certainly work in an office answering phones and filing and receiving clerical experience


,, there are plenty they can do , and should have the chance to in spite of being a 'con'

Nice non answers to my " are you a decision maker" question

But

First of all, I am sure the city of Cleveland postal service has policies in place that dictate the hiring process and final selection based on the federal civil service exam guidelines, not the decision of "Mom"

And if you are selling weed out the side door of your day care center then by all means, that's your man.. Call me crazy but I wouldn't want anyone.. at all..affiliated with ANY kind of drug anywhere near my kids... don't really care if it was just pot. Bad judgment...and I really would not want my toddlers in the hands of someone who has shown bad judgment... wouldn't give me that " warm and fuzzy" as I drove off.

It is easy to say " you certainly would hire".. quite another to actually do it.

So.. you are a business person.. I guess?.. because earlier you stated you work at a company?.. by all means.. start hiring ex cons.. be a champion of your words... Bring them into the daycare center. I am sure that will be well received by the parents

to repeat the important parts

as I have said my employer doesnt ask my opinion about whom they hire, I obviously am not one of the 'decision makers', I mentioned it in response to a statement that your 'employees'(people under your employ) didnt approve

I didnt say I would hire a weed seller for child care , I said I WOULDNT,, considering the offense that would be in appropriate

I said I could hire them in a position of SALES,,,which is appropriate for their skill set and their offense

not all criminals have the same crime, and common sense would obviously be in play with matching jobs ,, just like in civilian hiring,,

I am sure I am not the only person who would feel this was a good program and take advantage of it if I could

but the point is not about whether I will, because I am struggling to keep my head above water as someone else's employee

but knowing others who HAVE had businesses and who HAVE been in decision making positions,, I know there are those who would do it,,,

rather or not you are one of them isn't really worth debating,, I never said everyone would,,,

And makes them wear Pink Underwear!

They do offer perks. That's why when you apply for a job you are requested to fill out a WOTC (Work Opportunity Tax Credit) It is like 7 questions long and one of them is have you been convicted or served time for a felony offense. If they answer yes and the company hires them they get a nice tax credit.