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Woo hoo! 2old agreed with me! You KNOW I have to be right   all I want to say ... see this link . http://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2013/01/america-has-an-incest-problem/272459/ |
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Woo hoo! 2old agreed with me! You KNOW I have to be right old may be agree with you but not international news sites agree with u. lol ....see this link http://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2013/01/america-has-an-incest-problem/272459/ |
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Woo hoo! 2old agreed with me! You KNOW I have to be right old may be agree with you but not international news sites agree with u. lol ....see this link http://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2013/01/america-has-an-incest-problem/272459/ yep,The Atlantic! Gone from a good Paper to one who would print anything that accepts Ink! Loves Innuendo and self-appointed "Investigative" Journalists! Me thinks you have been had!  BTW,why would you single out the US while sitting in a Glasshouse?  |
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after watching a movie series of “ american style taboo" I must ask that how much this taboo thing exist in families? having sex or sexual feelings for family members... even I read a couple of news in Google where mother or son has been jailed after founding sexual relations between them. sometimes I think that these are the few true cases which have been came to known. but in reality how much this is spread without knowing (m not talking about only mom //son , it could be any family members) My QUESTION is that as a human body behavior or biologically (not mythically or religions)... how far it's good//bad//reasonable//thoughtful//anything else ? Why are you even thinking of this sick stuff? |
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PacificStar stated >>> There was advertisements on Direct TV Cable about and up coming series about two cousins that are lovers. I don't know if it will actually air but it caused a big stink and a lot of subscribers canceled subscriptions because the parental controls would block the program but not the advertisements about the program. Any one that wants to pretend that rape, incest, child abuse, and even elder abuse does not exist all over the USA in a percentage of the population is ignoring the facts. That statutory rape laws did not exist for males in many states as little as a decade ago shows we are not as vigilant or less permissive than other countries as we want to think. Child, torture, murder, and sex trafficking occurs in every major metropolitan city in the USA. None of these facts are things most of us would be proud of, and in fact many of our institutions actively work to keep it from happening but a lot more effort and money could and should be spent. That it is not always a federal crime against your citizenship to go to countries where sex trade is either ignored or legal is a particular shame on every American and I hope soon we will partner to stop the practice. Thankfully it is a bar to getting some types of visas to visit here or become a citizen if you are convicted of sex crimes in other countries but until the world wide record system catches up with the crime it is almost impossible to know. Yes, indeed...and because this is something so heinous and repugnant we will turn on the messenger instead of looking at the message and open up a dialog about the issue/problem that we've all known about! Someone we've grown up with, someone in our own family - someone next to us has suffered this; it crosses all race/gender/age groups and yet we suffer in silence and keep our mouths 'SHUT' and the perpetrators keep getting away with their crimes! Incest was the first form of institutional abuse, and it remains by far the most widespread. Here are some statistics that should be familiar to us all, but aren't, either because they're too mind-boggling to be absorbed easily, or because they're not publicized enough. One in three-to-four girls, and one in five-to-seven boys are sexually abused before they turn 18, an overwhelming incidence of which happens within the family. These statistics are well known among industry professionals, who are often quick to add, "and this is a notoriously underreported crime." http://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2013/01/america-has-an-incest-problem/272459/ rindamin666 - TY, I looked at your link and read the data there...while mine was about global facts and data it only touched on what was regionally known about the Appalachian Mountain regain and the southern states...your link had far more data about our nuclear family stats. Something we clearly find repulsive and would prefer to deny and obviously chose to 'SHOOT THE MESSENGER' instead of discussing like adults! I'll apologize for that...we can't stop/change what we don't acknowledge and just because you type/post in a different language that isn't what we read as our accustomed English {we tend to attack} instead of accepting the reasons you put the question out here! "WHY ARE YOU EVEN THINKING OF THIS SICK STUFF"...you were asked; perhaps if we collectively keep thinking about what dangers our children - your children - the worlds children face daily we might arrive at a way of dealing with this dark horror and see that we aren't any different from the poorest nations in this planet and that they want answers to their problems as well. Keeping it 'A SECRET' hasn't changed anything --- except to allow more perpetrators to sneak off into the dark shadows. IMHO |
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Edited by
yellowrose10
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Thu 05/21/15 07:02 AM
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Woo hoo! 2old agreed with me! You KNOW I have to be right old may be agree with you but not international news sites agree with u. lol ....see this link http://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2013/01/america-has-an-incest-problem/272459/ What you don't seem to understand is, I never said this stuff doesn't happen in the USA. It does. Like 2old, I posted a link of the world. It happens every where and most feel it's sick. The OP comes across as this is just an American problem based on a movie series BTW...my comments to 2old was just friendly joking  |
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Woo hoo! 2old agreed with me! You KNOW I have to be right old may be agree with you but not international news sites agree with u. lol ....see this link http://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2013/01/america-has-an-incest-problem/272459/ yep,The Atlantic! Gone from a good Paper to one who would print anything that accepts Ink! Loves Innuendo and self-appointed "Investigative" Journalists! Me thinks you have been had! BTW,why would you single out the US while sitting in a Glasshouse? sir ...sorry if I hurt you in some way ..but you may be getting it wrong . my intention was not to make out where incest is practice most neither how much its occurs in america nor which are the countries on top list of incest crime. why I post this topic for is that we could discuss about the matter to take any possible step against it . but this Yellow rose took it for a fight as if third world war begun . if you go through till 5/6 replies from the beginning you will come to know about it. she said it may be happens in other countries... and as a reply I said go Google to find the countries names.. (or you can say I said indirectly that it also happened in America)... that's all ... as simple as that. so people who are trying to create a storm in a glass of wine should stay away from this topic. |
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PacificStar stated >>> There was advertisements on Direct TV Cable about and up coming series about two cousins that are lovers. I don't know if it will actually air but it caused a big stink and a lot of subscribers canceled subscriptions because the parental controls would block the program but not the advertisements about the program. Any one that wants to pretend that rape, incest, child abuse, and even elder abuse does not exist all over the USA in a percentage of the population is ignoring the facts. That statutory rape laws did not exist for males in many states as little as a decade ago shows we are not as vigilant or less permissive than other countries as we want to think. Child, torture, murder, and sex trafficking occurs in every major metropolitan city in the USA. None of these facts are things most of us would be proud of, and in fact many of our institutions actively work to keep it from happening but a lot more effort and money could and should be spent. That it is not always a federal crime against your citizenship to go to countries where sex trade is either ignored or legal is a particular shame on every American and I hope soon we will partner to stop the practice. Thankfully it is a bar to getting some types of visas to visit here or become a citizen if you are convicted of sex crimes in other countries but until the world wide record system catches up with the crime it is almost impossible to know. Yes, indeed...and because this is something so heinous and repugnant we will turn on the messenger instead of looking at the message and open up a dialog about the issue/problem that we've all known about! Someone we've grown up with, someone in our own family - someone next to us has suffered this; it crosses all race/gender/age groups and yet we suffer in silence and keep our mouths 'SHUT' and the perpetrators keep getting away with their crimes! Incest was the first form of institutional abuse, and it remains by far the most widespread. Here are some statistics that should be familiar to us all, but aren't, either because they're too mind-boggling to be absorbed easily, or because they're not publicized enough. One in three-to-four girls, and one in five-to-seven boys are sexually abused before they turn 18, an overwhelming incidence of which happens within the family. These statistics are well known among industry professionals, who are often quick to add, "and this is a notoriously underreported crime." http://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2013/01/america-has-an-incest-problem/272459/ rindamin666 - TY, I looked at your link and read the data there...while mine was about global facts and data it only touched on what was regionally known about the Appalachian Mountain regain and the southern states...your link had far more data about our nuclear family stats. Something we clearly find repulsive and would prefer to deny and obviously chose to 'SHOOT THE MESSENGER' instead of discussing like adults! I'll apologize for that...we can't stop/change what we don't acknowledge and just because you type/post in a different language that isn't what we read as our accustomed English {we tend to attack} instead of accepting the reasons you put the question out here! "WHY ARE YOU EVEN THINKING OF THIS SICK STUFF"...you were asked; perhaps if we collectively keep thinking about what dangers our children - your children - the worlds children face daily we might arrive at a way of dealing with this dark horror and see that we aren't any different from the poorest nations in this planet and that they want answers to their problems as well. Keeping it 'A SECRET' hasn't changed anything --- except to allow more perpetrators to sneak off into the dark shadows. IMHO you are correct .....I appreciate it . but as I said previously that.... my intention was not to make out where incest is practice most neither how much its occurs in america nor which are the countries on top list of incest crime. why I post this topic for is that we could discuss about the matter to take any possible step against it . but this Yellow rose took it for a fight as if third world war begun . if you go through till 5/6 replies from the beginning you will come to know about it. she said it may be happens in other countries... and as a reply I said go Google to find the countries names.. (or you can say I said indirectly that it also happened in America)... that's all ... as simple as that. |
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That was far from a fight
I debated America because America was mentioned in the OP. If you wanted to discuss incest, why mention a place? Incest and rape and other nasty business is world wide I wasn't the only one that mentioned other countries. It happens world wide.
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Ok...we've established 'WE HUMANS' have this incestuous problem in common and it's impacting us 'ALL' globally; what do we do with the problem?
How do we protect our children? From older predatory siblings/other predatory family members/strangers/fake faith people/sex slave traders --- what do we do? All most hopeless...and they are so helpless 
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Good question. The only thing I can think of is educating them
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Educating SURVIVORS that they do not have to be victims is a big step in the right direction but we have to get off out dead behinds and actually create safe places for surviviors to go and regroup long enough to not only get on their feet but be able to sustain standing on their own. Hopeful so they are not alone or segregated like so many damaged souls.
Being treated like a victim is actually more disabling in many cases than the abuse. Much of the so called treatment is, I hate to say this unadulterated crap, to rip of the insurance companies and does little to help the survivor. So much misinformation and assumptions about what a survivor feels, wants, needs is stupid. Telling a survivor that they have few if any rights and should do this or should do that is society "shoulding" all over them not so unlike the perps. Survivors should have swift and just punishment if they want it. If they don't just give them the help they need and don't make them carry a system that often gives them too little too late. Don't pretend to give a survivor privacy actually do it. And if you are going to give support services make them specific to the survivor. It is not a one size fits all system. There are cultural differences, gender differences even age differences to name a few. Personally I would like to come down hard on the people who were told time and again that something was happening and did nothing. You want to know what messes people up is feeling like the whole society is too selfish to really make it a priority and your value is only as a victim or a Survivor only long enough for the TV cameras to stop rolling. |
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after watching a movie series of “ american style taboo" I must ask that how much this taboo thing exist in families? having sex or sexual feelings for family members... even I read a couple of news in Google where mother or son has been jailed after founding sexual relations between them. sometimes I think that these are the few true cases which have been came to known. but in reality how much this is spread without knowing (m not talking about only mom //son , it could be any family members) My QUESTION is that as a human body behavior or biologically (not mythically or religions)... how far it's good//bad//reasonable//thoughtful//anything else ? taboos exist for a reason it was once taboo to have homosexual relationship,, it was once explained as a lifestyle with high risk of passing on std but with the education of safe sex, that reason became quieted and the 'taboo' was lifted to leave 'consenting adults' to determine their own relations and be protected and accomodated I suspect, the taboo of incest, at least consenting adult incest will follow that same precedent... the concern about genetic deformity can also be diminished by focusing on the option for safe sex. If passing on disease is minimalized via safe sex, certainly passing on a child is too. and , not only that, but with science turning nature on its head (manipulated the anatomy to appear something other than the natural born gender and using hormones to manipulate the body) I also have no doubt science will find the way to have screenings to determine whether a child will have these genetic markers so women can LEGALLY abort. and voila,, no more reason to object to 'consenting adults' deciding they want to be together ,,,,taboos change over time, but taboo is no longer pc, and one day there will be taboo against treating anyones choice as taboo..lol |
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Ms Harmony, your comments disturb me.
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Reminds me of the South Park song "Uncle F***er.
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Edited by
msharmony
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Fri 05/22/15 11:37 AM
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Ms Harmony, your comments disturb me. just pointing out what I observe IF sue at 30 is drawn to brother sam at 35, why should they not be able to be together, other than our personal distaste for the situation(much like ther was once distaste for homosexual relations) they are consenting and adults, and any of the higher risks involved (like homosexual lifestyle carries higher risk of std) is muted by the fact that adults can opt to have safe sex so, in the name of consistency if homosexuality is protected, why not ADULT incest? personally, the idea of two with the same anatomy interacting sexually is just as taboo as the idea of two with the same parents, or relatives but its not up to us, ,its SUPPOSED to be up to adults to decide for themselves and us to accept and accomodate it or be charged with discrimination and bigotry,,, |
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Edited by
2OLD2MESSAROUND
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Fri 05/22/15 12:19 PM
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Interesting...how even the stringent 'Faith Based' strong families bonds & FEAR OF GOD didn't protect the 4 young Duggar females from their predator older brother and yet he escaped adjudication under the law but another fellow officer in the same county is still in prison for his activity & child porn?
Even the mighty Oprah, dumped them once she'd heard this disgusting rumor but yet just left it lay and never followed up with it; Hmmm??? Does Discovery/TLC have a child molester problem? By Leora Arnowitz �Published May 22, 2015� FoxNews.com A damning police report hit the web on Thursday that alleged that one of the Duggar siblings had been molesting some of the other children in the large family, which is now the focus of TLC's '��19 Kids and Counting.'�� Late Thursday, Josh Duggar, now 27, spoke out about reports he inappropriately touched four of his sisters and another female non-family member back in 2002. "Twelve years ago, as a young teenager, I acted inexcusably for which I am extremely sorry and deeply regret. I hurt others, including my family and close friends," he stated. The alleged sexual abuse reportedly first came to light in 2006 when Harpo Communications contacted the Department of Human Services Hotline about the Duggar rumors, which Harpo had been informed of by an anonymous tipster ahead of the Duggars’ scheduled appearance on 'Oprah.'�� When reached by FOX411, TLC declined to comment on whether or not the network had ever received a similar tip regarding the Duggars. This isn't the first time Discovery Communications has had to deal with a reality star scandal. Discovery Communications—which includes channels like TLC, The Discovery Channel, OWN and 'Animal Planet'�� has had similar accusations affect several of its shows. *TLC'��s '��Here Comes Honey Boo Boo'�� was shut down after photos surfaced that showed star Mama June spending time with an ex-boyfriend who served time for molesting her daughter. *Discovery Channel'��s '��Sons of Guns'�� was cancelled when star Will Hayden was arrested for aggravated rape of a minor, who family members have publicly identified as his own daughter. Later, his older daughter and former costar Stephanie Ford claimed her father had molested her when she was younger as well. *A mother who appeared on TLC's 'Cheer Perfection' pleaded guilty to one count of first-degree sexual assault and engaging a child in sexually explicit conduct. Andrea Clevenger received two 10-year prison sentences and two 10-year suspended sentences for her sexual encounters with a 13-year-old boy. The show was canceled shortly after her arrest. *A former '��Cake Boss'�� cast member, star Buddy Valastro'��s brother-in-law, is currently serving nine years in prison for sexually assaulting a 13-year-old girl in New Jersey. In Jan. 2015, TLC announced 'Cake Boss'�� had been renewed for at least two more seasons. http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/2015/05/22/does-discoverytlc-have-child-molester-problem/ |
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This sickness is a human thing keven though not all humans are this way. Has nothing to do with race, age, gender, geography, religion, etc
It's a personal sickness |
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Edited by
2OLD2MESSAROUND
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Quite true what you posted YellowRose; and sadly there isn't any known treatment or cure {just like child porn/child molestation}...once that barrier of 'forbidden fruit' has been crossed there's no turning back - the perpetrator will repeat the offence again!
TLC pulls '19 Kids and Counting'�� off the air over molestation claims against Josh Duggar
Travis Gettys 22 May 2015 at 13:37 ET Jim Bob Duggar said he disciplined his son and took him a year later with church elders to meet with a state trooper and family friend, Jim Hutchens, who gave the teen a 'very stern talk'�� but did not take any official action. Hutchens is currently serving a 56-year sentence for child pornography. http://www.rawstory.com/2015/05/tlc-pulls-19-kids-and-counting-off-the-air-over-molestation-claims-against-josh-duggar/ |
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Yeah I don't believe he has remorse. The only reason it was admitted was because it became public. Not because he had remorse. It was covered up since he was 14. The parents didn't help him as a child and now they are enabling him IMO
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