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you mean like our presidents over the last 200 years? or the membership of the fortune five hundred? or CONGRESS,,,,lol oh wait, thats WHITE,, did that mean being white is a requirement in any of these places,,?  Are you implying that a black person should be drawn at random to be given a fortune 500 company just so there is representation of your race in that sector of society? White wasn't a requirement but it was a result of an organization that sought to look out for the advancement of it's own race, just like the good ol NAACP. are you implying that white membership should be higher so that there is represenation in that organization? there is already representation, just as there is representation of blacks in the fortune 500, but the question implied some issue with how lopsided the proportion was,,,,,that is not an issue in all these other areas where the numbers are lopsided in favor of white males... and as I said, you know little about the NAACP, the organization wasnt about its 'own race' as it was founded mostly by non black people do you believe people fighting for homosexual rights are only homosexuals? do you believe people fighting for womens rights are only women? do you believe people who fought to end slavery of blacks were only blacks? people sometimes work together to try to reverse injustice they see , even when it happens to others,,, however, those it happens to would naturally represent the majority of those seeking to reverse the injustice they suffered.... |
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I just hope she doesn't become the first pseudo black trans-sexual.
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It IS about discrimination...Why else would it become such a priority to "out" this woman for being white? And what would you say if a black person who pretended to be white were "outed" for being black and cajoled into resigning their high ranking position in a "white" organization? You would shout, "FOUL", "Discrimination", "Bigotry", "Racism"! Doesn't matter how cuckoo the Black person was perceived to be. Kinda like all the snarky "black face" comments by the same people who laugh at the wayans brothers "white face" in the movie white chicks. Double standards are not okay. And the entire matter is.... RIDICULOUS! but who was it that 'outed' her, her parents!...lol what has that to do with discriminating?.... If a black person pretended to be white, claimed to be white on an APPLICATION and was hired for that job, it would be that employers perogative to fire them because of lying on an application in this case, I have no inside information about whether this was something she was 'cajoled' into or something she decided on her own to keep the sensationalism away from the organization I would also believe a black person pretending to be white had some emotional issues and should own up to having been deceptive,,, movies, are just movies, not real life,,, ___________________________________ mharmony quoted.. " whether she was 'cajoled' into or something she decided to do on her own to to keep sensationalism away from the organization . 'cajoled' or not, she single handedly made the NAACP REDUNDANT, & probably the requirements and funding for them & Howard college. NOT the sensationalism & media a@@ kissing they thrive on, but oh well. __________________________________ re·dun·dant rəˈdəndənt/ adjective adjective: redundant not or no longer needed or useful; superfluous. "this redundant brewery has been converted into a library" synonyms: unnecessary, not required, inessential, unessential, needless, unneeded, uncalled for; More surplus, superfluous "the system is hobbled by redundant paperwork" antonyms: essential, necessary (of words or data) able to be omitted without loss of meaning or function. ENGINEERING (of a component) not strictly necessary to functioning but included in case of failure in another component. BRITISH (of a person) no longer employed because there is no more work available. "eight permanent staff were made redundant" synonyms: unnecessary, not required, inessential, unessential, needless, unneeded, uncalled for; More surplus, superfluous "the system is hobbled by redundant paperwork" antonyms: essential, necessary  Could soon be an entire group of pastors... redundant too. only to those who always wanted it to be redundant those who have supported it,, understood the work to be done is a combined effort between all people , and probably see this as one individual choosing deception and not a slight on the organization she deceived,,, |
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I just hope she doesn't become the first pseudo black trans-sexual. that would be unfortunate, people are extremely screwed in the head these days when it comes to acceptance of themselves,,, |
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Exactly as predicted...."white chicks is just a harmless ol movie". And a black person outed for being white and terminated for "lying" would be viewed as a victim of discrimination. BECAUSE, why did he have to conceal his race in the first place? Why deny the truth. I know it, you know it, everyone knows it. Employers aren't even legally permitted to ask you your race prior to your being hired. AND, you NEVER are required to answer the question if you choose not to. Even if her own family initiated the publicity, it was not up to them whether she continued in her employment or not. While she may have resigned, we all know how those situations work. Truth of the matter is, a white woman was NOT desired to lead a chapter of the NAACP (which does nothing for the advancement of any other people, which is bigoted). they are permitted to have race on an application and one is not OBLIGATED to answer, but if they CHOOSE to they are bound by contractual obligation to give TRUE information she could just as easily not answered the information on race, but because she CHOSE to and lied,, she could be eligible to be let go for signing a contract and attesting to information that is false and like I said, how do you know it was not up to HER to continue her employment,, maybe SHE believed it would be better than being a source of negative sensationalism for the organization? and Im positive you know very little about the NAACP besides that its name is about advancing colored people which to you seems bigoted and pointless,, apparently... What information do you have that she wasn't ousted? I am likewise sure that YOU either know VERY little about the NAACP or are acting purposely naive in arguing that it is not an organization with a definitive racial/ethnic bias. And I said the NAACP is bigoted, not pointless. Don't put words in my mouth to make your case in defending this organization. But, please, explain how the name denotes anything but racism. Give some examples of this organization promoting any other race. I think you feel that racism is okay when perpetuated by any ethnic group victimized by prejudice. Your posts, in my opinion, belie any statement to the contrary. What you fail to understand is that I don't care that they promote "their own". I DO find hypocritical those that "promote their own" also vilify any other organization that promotes "its own" real or perceived ethnic agenda. And race is NOT permissible on an APPLICATION for employment. It does appear on POST employment documents for "statistical use" but is not required to be answered. • Can indicate that the institution is an equal opportunity employer AFTER HIRING ONLY: • Can ask race for affirmative action plan statistics IT IS ILLEGAL TO ASK/REQUEST • Any inquiry that would indicate race and/or color • Color of applicant’s skin, eyes, hair • Any other questions directly or indirectly relating race or color |
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you mean like our presidents over the last 200 years? or the membership of the fortune five hundred? or CONGRESS,,,,lol oh wait, thats WHITE,, did that mean being white is a requirement in any of these places,,? Are you implying that a black person should be drawn at random to be given a fortune 500 company just so there is representation of your race in that sector of society? White wasn't a requirement but it was a result of an organization that sought to look out for the advancement of it's own race, just like the good ol NAACP. are you implying that white membership should be higher so that there is represenation in that organization? there is already representation, just as there is representation of blacks in the fortune 500, but the question implied some issue with how lopsided the proportion was,,,,,that is not an issue in all these other areas where the numbers are lopsided in favor of white males... and as I said, you know little about the NAACP, the organization wasnt about its 'own race' as it was founded mostly by non black people do you believe people fighting for homosexual rights are only homosexuals? do you believe people fighting for womens rights are only women? do you believe people who fought to end slavery of blacks were only blacks? people sometimes work together to try to reverse injustice they see , even when it happens to others,,, however, those it happens to would naturally represent the majority of those seeking to reverse the injustice they suffered.... The numbers are lopsided because people succeeded in business or were elected by their constituents. I wholeheartedly believe that white people are solely responsible for the freedom of slaves as blacks had no voice in the matter whatsoever. But the NAACP, no matter by whom or how founded, is NOT the NAACP you are speaking of today. And has not been for many a year. |
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I just hope she doesn't become the first pseudo black trans-sexual. that would be unfortunate, people are extremely screwed in the head these days when it comes to acceptance of themselves,,, and the acceptance of others. |
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http://thehardtimes.net/2015/06/16/rachel-dolezal-now-claiming-to-be-founding-member-of-bad-brains/
June 16, 2015 News Rachel Dolezal Now Claiming to Be Founding Member of Bad Brains SPOKANE, Wash. – After resigning from her post as president of the Spokane, Washington chapter of the N.A.A.C.P due to a highly publicized scandal regarding her race, Rachel Dolezal created even more controversy on Monday by claiming to be a founding member of legendary hardcore punk band Bad Brains. The 37-year-old Dolezal claims to “have been there since day one” when describing her association with the band that formed in 1977 (when Dolezal was less than a year old). Dolezal’s parents, who are white, have stated publicly that her daughter was no where near Washington D.C.’s punk scene in the late ’70s, or 171-A Studios, and that she has never expressed any interest in punk music until very recently. “I… don’t understand… why people have a hard time… believing this,” stated a confused Dolezal when confronted by reporters. “Being in the Bad Brains shaped my entire identity, they are like family to me.” Bad Brains frontman HR has remained relatively quiet on the situation, and refused to comment on a picture Dolezal produced of the two, which she says proves HR is her father. Article by The Hard Times Staff. Photo courtesy of Rachel Dolezal & Greg Kolls. |
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It IS about discrimination...Why else would it become such a priority to "out" this woman for being white And what would you say if a black person who pretended to be white were "outed" for being black and cajoled into resigning their high ranking position in a "white" organization? You would shout, "FOUL", "Discrimination", "Bigotry", "Racism"! Doesn't matter how cuckoo the Black person was perceived to be. Kinda like all the snarky "black face" comments by the same people who laugh at the wayans brothers "white face" in the movie white chicks. Double standards are not okay. And the entire matter is.... RIDICULOUS! but who was it that 'outed' her, her parents!...lol what has that to do with discriminating?.... If a black person pretended to be white, claimed to be white on an APPLICATION and was hired for that job, it would be that employers perogative to fire them because of lying on an application in this case, I have no inside information about whether this was something she was 'cajoled' into or something she decided on her own to keep the sensationalism away from the organization I would also believe a black person pretending to be white had some emotional issues and should own up to having been deceptive,,, movies, are just movies, not real life,,, ___________________________________ mharmony quoted.. " whether she was 'cajoled' into or something she decided to do on her own to to keep sensationalism away from the organization . 'cajoled' or not, she single handedly made the NAACP REDUNDANT, & probably the requirements and funding for them & Howard college. NOT the sensationalism & media a@@ kissing they thrive on, but oh well. __________________________________ re·dun·dant rəˈdəndənt/ adjective adjective: redundant not or no longer needed or useful; superfluous. "this redundant brewery has been converted into a library" synonyms: unnecessary, not required, inessential, unessential, needless, unneeded, uncalled for; More surplus, superfluous "the system is hobbled by redundant paperwork" antonyms: essential, necessary (of words or data) able to be omitted without loss of meaning or function. ENGINEERING (of a component) not strictly necessary to functioning but included in case of failure in another component. BRITISH (of a person) no longer employed because there is no more work available. "eight permanent staff were made redundant" synonyms: unnecessary, not required, inessential, unessential, needless, unneeded, uncalled for; More surplus, superfluous "the system is hobbled by redundant paperwork" antonyms: essential, necessary Could soon be an entire group of pastors... redundant too. only to those who always wanted it to be redundant those who have supported it,, understood the work to be done is a combined effort between all people , and probably see this as one individual choosing deception and not a slight on the organization she deceived,,, [/quote --------------------------------------------------------National Association for the Advancement of Colored People - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia National Association for the Advancement of Colored People Watch this page National Association for the Advancement of Colored People Naacplogo.png Abbreviation NAACP Formation February 12, 1909 Purpose "To ensure the political, educational, social, and economic equality of rights of all persons and to eliminate racial hatred and racial discrimination." Headquarters Baltimore, Maryland Membership 300,000[1] Chairwoman Roslyn Brock President/CEO Cornell William Brooks Budget $27,624,433[2] Website naacp.org The National Association for the Advancement of Colored People (NAACP) is an African-American civil rights organization in the United States, formed in 1909.[3] Its mission is "to ensure the political, educational, social, and economic equality of rights of all persons and to eliminate racial hatred and racial discrimination".[4] Its name, retained in accordance with tradition, uses the once common term colored people. The NAACP bestows the annual Image Awards for achievement in the arts and entertainment, and the annual Spingarn Medals for outstanding positive achievement of any kind, on deserving Black Americans. It has its headquarters in Baltimore, Maryland.[5]  |
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RegularFeller stated >>> I DON'T want to read the rest of the thread or the links! She said she was black to get a job in a "black" organization. It worked. My question is why all the buzz about her being a liar and none about her having to lie in order to land the position with the organization? Those clamoring for acceptance and promotion to leadership roles without consideration for their race are now demonizing a woman for concealing her race to gain a leadership role in their organization? Ridiculous. Discrimination is discrimination is discrimination. Looks to me like some of her best friends are bigots! MsHarmony posted >>> its not about discrimination, its about deception there was nothing she did that she couldnt have done admitting her race, NAACP doesnt hire based upon race, it was in fact founded by people of multiple races,,, 2 true that; and yet the masses that don't know - won't look at the foundation/reason for the NAACP {hence why I posted their MISSION statement and employee info - earlier}...the NAACP was formed by a multi - culture group of humans! This woman is obviously a 'COMPULSIVE LIAR' and that's the crux of her problem! IMHO |
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RegularFeller stated >>> I DON'T want to read the rest of the thread or the links! She said she was black to get a job in a "black" organization. It worked. My question is why all the buzz about her being a liar and none about her having to lie in order to land the position with the organization? Those clamoring for acceptance and promotion to leadership roles without consideration for their race are now demonizing a woman for concealing her race to gain a leadership role in their organization? Ridiculous. Discrimination is discrimination is discrimination. Looks to me like some of her best friends are bigots! MsHarmony posted >>> its not about discrimination, its about deception there was nothing she did that she couldnt have done admitting her race, NAACP doesnt hire based upon race, it was in fact founded by people of multiple races,,, 2 true that; and yet the masses that don't know - won't look at the foundation/reason for the NAACP {hence why I posted their MISSION statement and employee info - earlier}...the NAACP was formed by a multi - culture group of humans! This woman is obviously a 'COMPULSIVE LIAR' and that's the crux of her problem! IMHO so is your president...i don't see the blacks trying to oust him.. |
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Y'all are confusing the birth of an organization with the "grown up" it has become. Just as the sweetest babe may mature into a cannibalistic serial killer, organizations transform over time. Even the boy scouts transitioned from a paramilitary organizations to a mere day care like social gathering.
But y'all know all this. Your failure to recognize it as such is intentional. A ploy. And it is comical. Besides, I think I can see Reb's point. If she could identify as male with all of your blessings and defense of her choice, why can't she identify as a race other than that to which she was born with the same acceptance? Eminem did it and nobody cared. Where is your consistency? Transgender, Transracial, Transspecies, Transformers - EQUALITY FOR ALL! |
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Transspecies, Yessir, thats a "thing" also..... "" When she was 9 or 10 years old, Jessie read a book that would change her life forever: Julie of the Wolves , a story about a young girl who bonds with a wolf pack to survive in the Alaskan tundra. It precipitated Jessie’s realization that she identified as a wolf herself. “I could certainly see a case being made that I latched on to wolves because of some difficult times in my life,” Jessie told me. “I saw family in them, I saw protection and familiarity, and I saw an escape from what I was dealing with in my life.” Plenty of kids are obsessive, but for Jessie, her love of wolves became a lifestyle and a spiritual experience, including “phantom shifts,” or episodes where she felt the physical characteristics of being a wolf. “I would prowl my room late at night as a wolf, usually when I was restless or agitated. This was comforting to put myself into another place. Whether this is mental or spiritual, I don’t really know. I still do a version of this to this day, and I know it’s felt like both. I’m diagnosed with depression and generalized anxiety, and there are many days where putting myself in ‘wolf mind’ helps to relax me.” In day-to-day life, 22-year-old Jessie, a college graduate who’s worked as a receptionist and in a casino, is relatively open about her wolf identity. It’s not something she shares with her coworkers, but she’s out to her close friends and boyfriend, and sometimes she wears a tail to the mall."" http://kernelmag.dailydot.com/issue-sections/features-issue-sections/11866/otherkin-tumblr-definition-pronouns/ Oh LAWDY!
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regularfeller posted >>> Y'all are confusing the birth of an organization with the "grown up" it has become. Just as the sweetest babe may mature into a cannibalistic serial killer, organizations transform over time. Even the boy scouts transitioned from a paramilitary organizations to a mere day care like social gathering. But y'all know all this. Your failure to recognize it as such is intentional. A ploy. And it is comical. Besides, I think I can see Reb's point. If she could identify as male with all of your blessings and defense of her choice, why can't she identify as a race other than that to which she was born with the same acceptance? Eminem did it and nobody cared. Where is your consistency? Transgender, Transracial, Transspecies, Transformers - EQUALITY FOR ALL! Oh...No You Didn't; did you bother to look it up prior to just laying it out there? There were only 2 black adults in the founding group; Ida Wells and WEB DuBois! Hmmmmm...  W. E. B. Du Bois quotations "Most men today cannot conceive of a freedom that does not involve somebody's slavery."  Abbreviation NAACP Formation February 12, 1909 Purpose "To ensure the political, educational, social, and economic equality of rights of all persons and to eliminate racial hatred and racial discrimination." Headquarters Baltimore, Maryland Membership 300,000 Chairwoman Roslyn Brock President/CEO Cornell William Brooks Budget $27,624,433 Website naacp.org |
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Exactly as predicted...."white chicks is just a harmless ol movie". And a black person outed for being white and terminated for "lying" would be viewed as a victim of discrimination. BECAUSE, why did he have to conceal his race in the first place? Why deny the truth. I know it, you know it, everyone knows it. Employers aren't even legally permitted to ask you your race prior to your being hired. AND, you NEVER are required to answer the question if you choose not to. Even if her own family initiated the publicity, it was not up to them whether she continued in her employment or not. While she may have resigned, we all know how those situations work. Truth of the matter is, a white woman was NOT desired to lead a chapter of the NAACP (which does nothing for the advancement of any other people, which is bigoted). they are permitted to have race on an application and one is not OBLIGATED to answer, but if they CHOOSE to they are bound by contractual obligation to give TRUE information she could just as easily not answered the information on race, but because she CHOSE to and lied,, she could be eligible to be let go for signing a contract and attesting to information that is false and like I said, how do you know it was not up to HER to continue her employment,, maybe SHE believed it would be better than being a source of negative sensationalism for the organization? and Im positive you know very little about the NAACP besides that its name is about advancing colored people which to you seems bigoted and pointless,, apparently... What information do you have that she wasn't ousted? I am likewise sure that YOU either know VERY little about the NAACP or are acting purposely naive in arguing that it is not an organization with a definitive racial/ethnic bias. And I said the NAACP is bigoted, not pointless. Don't put words in my mouth to make your case in defending this organization. But, please, explain how the name denotes anything but racism. Give some examples of this organization promoting any other race. I think you feel that racism is okay when perpetuated by any ethnic group victimized by prejudice. Your posts, in my opinion, belie any statement to the contrary. What you fail to understand is that I don't care that they promote "their own". I DO find hypocritical those that "promote their own" also vilify any other organization that promotes "its own" real or perceived ethnic agenda. And race is NOT permissible on an APPLICATION for employment. It does appear on POST employment documents for "statistical use" but is not required to be answered. • Can indicate that the institution is an equal opportunity employer AFTER HIRING ONLY: • Can ask race for affirmative action plan statistics IT IS ILLEGAL TO ASK/REQUEST • Any inquiry that would indicate race and/or color • Color of applicant’s skin, eyes, hair • Any other questions directly or indirectly relating race or color I am not ASSuming that she was or wasnt, I was suggesting perhaps others shouldnt either I have been an NAACP member and have relatives in NAACP leadership since I was a teen,,, so Im sure I know more than those who are only throwing out their opinions without ever attending one event or being a part of the organization there is no BIAS in terms of who can be a part of the organization,, thats as silly as saying that because UNICEF has children in its name , due to it supporting children( a 'bias) its only going to hire children there is no such bias in who works on a cause, like the NAACP , no matter who the cause is for,,, Im sure you went to school so I dont really need to explain the reason for its founding or its name,,,,,and its really noones business or concern if they EVER choose to change the name,, its history and purpose havent change and there is no magical date where it should stop its work,,,,or its purpose I suppose you think the special olympic is bigoted because it seeks to close gaps that have existed between mainstream and 'special' populations? the history has made the organization necessary, as response to bigotry already existing,, not to initiate bigotry of its own,,, |
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I just hope she doesn't become the first pseudo black trans-sexual. that would be unfortunate, people are extremely screwed in the head these days when it comes to acceptance of themselves,,, and the acceptance of others. its not nearly as important to accept anyone else as it is to accept oneself,,,, |
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I stated several times that the NAACP has transformed in the years that have passed since its inception. Why do you still feel the need to say it was started by whites? Anybody with half a brain would know that blacks could never have started this organization on their own behalf in the early 1900's. They would have been lynched or otherwise murdered. This has nothing to do with it maturing into a black biased bigoted organization! Not saying the bias or bigotry is misguided, unfounded, wrong, or bad. Just saying it exists. But, I AM saying that bigoted people have no business pointing their prejudicial fingers at another and criticizing them for being bigots! And no matter what you try to quote or claim, fact of business is that this started because she was not black as she claimed, not because she "lied on a job application". Transracial equality! If she feels she is a black woman trapped in a white body, then she has the same right to identify with her inner being the same as a man that feels he is a woman or woman that feels she is a man. How long are you going to keep the self identified black woman down? |
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I just hope she doesn't become the first pseudo black trans-sexual. that would be unfortunate, people are extremely screwed in the head these days when it comes to acceptance of themselves,,, and the acceptance of others. its not nearly as important to accept anyone else as it is to accept oneself,,,, she accepts herself - AS A BLACK WOMAN! What's hard to understand about that? |
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I stated several times that the NAACP has transformed in the years that have passed since its inception. Why do you still feel the need to say it was started by whites? Anybody with half a brain would know that blacks could never have started this organization on their own behalf in the early 1900's. They would have been lynched or otherwise murdered. This has nothing to do with it maturing into a black biased bigoted organization! Not saying the bias or bigotry is misguided, unfounded, wrong, or bad. Just saying it exists. But, I AM saying that bigoted people have no business pointing their prejudicial fingers at another and criticizing them for being bigots! And no matter what you try to quote or claim, fact of business is that this started because she was not black as she claimed, not because she "lied on a job application". Transracial equality! If she feels she is a black woman trapped in a white body, then she has the same right to identify with her inner being the same as a man that feels he is a woman or woman that feels she is a man. How long are you going to keep the self identified black woman down? the point about whites is to share that its a multiethnic organization and not a 'blacks only',, and the ASSumption that that would cause a person to have to claim to be black to get a position... it started because someone 'outed her',, her own parents,, for all we know her colleagues already had her story,, but once again the PUBLIC and the MEDIA sensationalized something enough that it could have caused harm to the organization I Have no problem with people having bigotry towards behaviors,, but PEOPLE are not just their behaviors, and when one is bigoted towards PEOPLE and believe that having found some exceptions will somehow fool people into thinking they don't,,,,they are fooling themselves with an old tired cliche " Some of my best friends,,,,,,," |
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regularfeller stated >>> I stated several times that the NAACP has transformed in the years that have passed since its inception. Ok - Ok...repeating something that a few of us just aren't getting {can't connect your dots unless you give a point/fact/link} EXPLAIN yourself, PLEEEEASE? You just keep stating the same thing; and the redundancy has now been established...why do you claim/feel/state that the NAACP has "TRANSFORMED"...I'm not seeing it - hearing it - reading it? The local chapter in Johnson County - our largest chapter in the state of KS is headed by a college buddy of mine - he's bi-racial; has an Korean Administrative Asst. and many white folks working in his office {yes, WHITE is a color too}...fill in the blanks for me if you could. |
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