I will accept that there are no gay animals apart from humans.Gay in my opinion refers to human sexuality.As for homosexual behavior amongst animals talk to any farmer who raises cattle.

why do SOME people hate it? I don't care if people be gay with each other, none of my business ..it does seem unnatural. . Since our genitalia are different for a reason, like puzzle pieces that fit together .. its like pooing in your pee hole. . Doesn't seem s healthy.. :)

long time no see, how are you doing?

hi there. .. I'm good. .thanks.. you seems good either. .won't bother to ask..

i've raised cattle, hogs, chickens, all sorts of animals when i grew up on a farm...

that doesn't mean gay, it means they can't control what nature tells them to do, which is reproduce...

you don't see a bull with a herd of other bulls, you only see them with a herd of cows, and will fight any other bull in the area...

Good point Moe,I will have to reflect on that,although I have a feeling the bull is displaying aggression and territorial control rather than natures urge to reproduce.

Where's Igor when you need him ????

that is part of the reproduction cycle, the strongest and biggest reproduce, and nature tells the bull to spread his genes, not another bulls... that's why most all males fight with one another, or other things during rutting season... ask anyone that's around male moose's during rutting season, they attack anything around them, including cars and humans...

Earlier quote: 'I will accept that there are no gay animals apart from humans.Gay in my opinion refers to human sexuality'

I think we should just say gay is a slang term for homosexual and the words can be each used to mean the same thing. If we start arguing about the use of the word, our main discussion will be lost. Gay and homosexual as words can be used to describe what we might observe in animal, and the human animal behaviour.

There are gay/homosexual animals other than the human animal.

It has been observed that gay animals display behaviours that can be described as: sexual activity, courtship, affection, pair bonding, and parenting among same-sex animal pairs. It is said in 2006 there were 1500 species displaying this behaviour.

In the link I am about to give, this was one of the most notable sentences I read:
No species has been found in which homosexual behaviour has not been shown to exist, with the exception of species that never have sex at all, such as sea urchins and aphis.
Thats quite an eye opener, wouldnt you agree?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexual_behavior_in_animals

^you only need read this for two minutes to get the information. I simply typed 'gay animals' into a search engine and clicked the first link, so there is no excuse for people to not do their own research.

nothing scientific about anything you just said, other than gays watching two animals and extrapolating their own gaydom from it...

it's the same thing as someone who wants to cheat on starts accusing the partner of cheating.. it's just projecting their own thoughts and forming a conclusion based on nothing...

Some people debate if Homosexuality is nature or nurture... It's neither !

The way You have to perceive this behaviour is as a malediction. (A Curse)

Homosexuality and Lesbianism are a by-product of another more serious sin, Creature or Creation Worship.

The Quran explains there is no other greater or more unforgivable sin then worshiping other than The One True God. (In Arabic This Is Called Shirk)

The Apostle Paul explains how this comes about very emphatically in The Letter To The Romans, in the Bible at (Romans 1: 18-32)

It's important to note that any and all other things, other than God, are technically creations. So, as time passes so do what is most-fashionable in preoccupying and deceiving humanity into what it venerates.

A somewhat verbose and dogmatic way of saying,we are not entitled to discuss an issue if our thinking is not in line with the Qu'ran or Bible.

If,quoting you "we have to perceive" then perhaps we should all sit back and enjoy you debating both sides of an issue which in your opinion does not exist.

Perceive... Or to look at...

What I'm suggesting is there's a third factor that isn't necessary nature or nurture, as is commonly held.

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What, again, doesn't exist ?

in the same way we're all bigots because we don't agree with gays? there's two sides of a debate, not just the gays side...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bonobo#Sexual_social_behavior

Im not gay, or bi. Its not my thing at all. I have no gay friends, known very few gay people of either sex and was happily homophobic as a teenager. I would however like to meet more bi women, im working on the one im with at the mo to explore her bi side again. ;)

I have provided some information for you.

Btw, in some studies, nine out of ten giraffes studied during mating rituals were male on male.
Approx 10% of male rams studied ARE fully homosexual and completely refuse females. approx 20% of the same sheep studied were bi.

Conrads link to Bonobos will prob tell you that Bonobo society is matriarchal, and if you chuck them food or an item of interest, they will quickly fk each other (mostly fem on fem, but a fully bi society) before investigating. This sounds sexual, but if you read the links, you would find it is much deeper.

There is nothing wrong with gays, and if you think there is, you should just leave them alone anyway.

I'm really surprised by your views Moe, and a little hurt if I'm honest.
Not all gay people are sex mad you know, in fact I can't remember the last time I had sex.
I would never hold hands in public or go on one of these gay pride marches because I know how it can offend some people, but at the end of the day, the only difference between you and me is who we choose to fall in love with. I'm a little different than you, but I'd never hurt anyone, not intentionally anyway.

I'm convinced my dear departed dog was gay....tried to mate him...and he wouldn't have a bar of it....
But he would hump any other male dog anytime...

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I stand corrected,I made the false assumption that if it is neither then the problem did not exist.I was locked into an either or mindset in this discussion.My mistake.

well, sorry your feelings are hurt, but as i've been told, i'm just a bigot for saying that being gay is about attraction and sex, not about love... you can love whoever you want without being gay, holding hands isn't even gay... gay sex is what makes someone gay, nothing else... i never said gays were sex crazy, i said the gay sex is what makes them considered gay... doesn't the bible even say to love everyone? do they not hold hands in church?

and just so all the gays know, i could care less whether someone is gay or not... when we are an open form and someone asks questions, then calls me names for answering these questions, i get a little more upset at what the gays are actually trying to accomplish by telling others that they are wrong and bigoted...

i don't ever remember saying gays shouldn't show affection in public, or that they should all stay in the closet... the rationalization some gays comes up with doesn't make sense to me, like gay animals... no need to make up crap to rationalize being gay, just be what you are...

if you don't want to be friends because of my thoughts on this, thats your choice, not mine... but i have never been rude, derogatory, or called you any names for your opinions, and never will... i'm not pro gay, as you well know, and may not ever be... but that doesn't mean i think any less of you or your choices, because you're one of the few gays that sees things in a more realistic perspective by not attacking everyone that doesn't see your views eye to eye...