Topic: Arrest of teen who texted in class prompts civil rights case
prashant01's photo
Wed 10/28/15 09:36 AM

NAH, educators need to know sometimes kids wont listen, and have better processes in place than literally FLIPPING Them over the chair, let alone it shouldn't have been a police matter either

guess what?, kids can be disobedient we don't arrest them or flip and toss them around for it,,,

you don't put your hands on other peoples kids without their consent, except to keep them from hurting themselves or others,,,

she could easily have remained right there until the end of school, when she no doubt would have eventually left ,, and she could then have been stopped from coming back with notice to her parents,,,


Right! It would have been still better if school admin would have called her parents immediately or would have asked them over phone to ask her to leave texting or leave class.

One more question arises to my mind that instead of forcibly throwing the child out they could have more easily taken her cell phone away .....so isn't that racial hatreds which make them toss the child !!

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Wed 10/28/15 09:51 AM

Officer is fired...news conference with sheriff is on now. Sheriff says officer was ok till he tossed student.....also says officer has had several complaints along with the already posted lawsuits.
Also basically just said school needs to handle school issues and the role of resource officers will be re-evaluated.


"" Sheriff’s Department Senior Deputy Ben
Fields was fired Wednesday, two days
after an altercation between him and a
female student at Spring Valley High
School was caught on video and posted
online.
Three videos, shot by students, show
Fields throwing the student to the ground
and dragging her across the classroom
floor. The videos sparked national
outrage and a civil rights investigation
by the FBI and U.S. Justice Department.
The videos circulated widely online and
on television.
Richland County Sheriff Leon Lott said
the internal investigation involved
whether Senior Deputy Fields followed
protocol when asked to remove the
student from the classroom at about 11
a.m. Monday.
He did not, Lott said.
Criminal charges, if there are any, would
come from the FBI and the U.S. Justice
Department, Lott said. On Monday, he
asked them to investigate. Those agencies
announced Tuesday they had opened a
civil rights investigation into Fields’
actions.
Lott said the girl was on her cellphone
and not participating in class. He said she
was asked by a teacher, and then by an
administrator, to leave the classroom but
didn’t. That’s when the deputy was called
and asked to remove her, he said.
Lott said Wednesday that the teacher and
the administrator said they didn’t think
the deputy used excessive force.
Still, he said, Fields did not follow
protocol.
“I have a problem with that,” he said.
He wasn’t a hard decision, he said.
“Deputy Fields did wrong,” Lott said. “...
When he threw her across the room,
that’s when I made my decision.”
Schools are for learning, Lott said.
School resource officers are in schools to
help students learn, he said.
“But, sometimes, deputies do wrong,” he
said. “... He should not have thrown the
student.”
Still, the student disrupted that school,
that class, Lott said.
“Let’s not forget that. What she did
doesn’t justify what our deputy did. But
she needs to be held responsible.”
Some procedures could change, he said.
“We’re going to talk to the school
districts so they understand that when
they call us, we’re going to take a law
enforcement action,” Lott said. “...
Should (the deputy) ever have been
called there? ... We’re going to look at
that.”
Lott said he learned that all of the work
he and his deputies have done in past
years helping to build community – with
churches, with schools, with residents –
means that people expected him to do the
right thing and that the community will
be strong going forward.
“People expect us to do the right thing,”
Lott said. “... Citizens should use their
cellphone and police the police. That’s
their job.”
The girl’s lawyer, Columbia’s Todd
Rutherford, told ABC’s “Good Morning
America” on Wednesday that the student
suffered arm, neck, back and head
injuries.
Lott said Tuesday he thought she might
have suffered no more than a rug burn.
Fields has had three lawsuits filed against
him as a deputy. In one, involving an
excessive-force allegation before Fields
worked in schools, a federal jury found
in his favor. Another case was dismissed,
the Associated Press reported. The third
suit, which is ongoing, alleges Fields
wrongly pushed for a Richland 2
student’s expulsion.""
http://www.thestate.com/news/local/crime/article41674731.html

Rock's photo
Wed 10/28/15 10:25 AM
The real question remains...

Why is a witless teacher who can't deal with a student texting... why is that teacher still in the classroom?

mightymoe's photo
Wed 10/28/15 10:30 AM

The real question remains...

Why is a witless teacher who can't deal with a student texting... why is that teacher still in the classroom?


IMO, the bigger question is why all these kids are to have there cell phones in the classroom?

prashant01's photo
Wed 10/28/15 10:33 AM

The real question remains...

Why is a witless teacher who can't deal with a student texting... why is that teacher still in the classroom?


Right!!

Teaching shouldn't just be a profession ,it should be a hobby and the person entering in it should have inherent liking for kids too.

If one loves kids then their naughtiness is delight for him.

prashant01's photo
Wed 10/28/15 10:36 AM


The real question remains...

Why is a witless teacher who can't deal with a student texting... why is that teacher still in the classroom?


IMO, the bigger question is why all these kids are to have there cell phones in the classroom?


Right,right...!!

I was about to raise this question but I thought, may be western world would have gone in phase of considering cell phone as one of the BASIC NEED by now...:smile:

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Wed 10/28/15 10:37 AM
Edited by RebelArcher on Wed 10/28/15 10:50 AM

The real question remains...

Why is a witless teacher who can't deal with a student texting... why is that teacher still in the classroom?
And why are they calling a cop to do their job?There were no "school resource officers" when I was in school....of course, you cld still get that azz whipped then also laugh

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Wed 10/28/15 10:47 AM
Why wasn't she suspended immediately & why weren't her parents called ?

What was with all asking, begging & pleading from THREE adults ?


A@@kissing... For fear of controversy.. That's what. Well, now the kid won, no matter if she was tossed around or not.

And now, none of the students will ever respect that teacher or school employees or the police...& this will escalate.

Argo's photo
Wed 10/28/15 12:21 PM
in this circumstance the violent behavior is uncalled for....there is
no need for arm-bars, wrist snaps, hair pulling or being dragged
from the classroom

if i was the principal.... firstly, i would have had the officer present,
the next thing i would do is to have the unruly childs audience
removed by instructing the teacher to assemble the rest of
the class in the auditorium or cafeteria for the time being.....

after welcoming the child to my temporary office...i would issue a 3-day
suspension including a parent/guardian conference scheduled prior
to reinstatement...then inform the child she is to wait in this room until
her parent/guardian can pick her up or dismiss her right then and there
(if that is the policy)....then go wait with the officer in the hallway....

mikeybgood1's photo
Wed 10/28/15 01:22 PM
Brilliant. So what if none of the other kids want to leave the room? What if they want to stay to watch the 'show'? You gonna suspend ALL of them for NOT leaving the room?

You can whine all you want about the violence of the arrest, BUT this young lady had NUMEROUS chances to show a little class and just get up and leave.

Personally? Maybe a face full of pepper spray would have been the better choice. She would have been instantly compliant.

Of note however is that some people have already taken the time to play the video in super slow motion. The cop actually grabs one pant leg and folds up her neck like he's trying to pull her out of the chair.

The slowed tape shows her take a wild swing at him, and her free leg looks like it attempts a kick, but that's a little subjective.

So he's now been fired and no cop is now going to enter a classroom to remove a kid disrupting the class for fear of losing their job. Well done mollycoddlers of the world.

mightymoe's photo
Wed 10/28/15 01:35 PM
he should have been fired, and brought up on charges... there's never a reason to toss a 16 year old girl across the room...

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Wed 10/28/15 01:52 PM
And how many kids will now have their phones out, across the country tomorrow.. In some juvenile protest

And be totally convinced a black girl was attacked by a cop for texting ! Instead of the entire truth, including her ignoring 3 authority figures & resiting arrest.

OMG slaphead

mightymoe's photo
Wed 10/28/15 01:56 PM
Edited by mightymoe on Wed 10/28/15 01:56 PM

And how many kids will now have their phones out, across the country tomorrow.. In some juvenile protest

And be totally convinced a black girl was attacked by a cop for texting ! Instead of the entire truth, including her ignoring 3 authority figures & resiting arrest.

OMG slaphead


regardless, it's no reason to treat a child that way... maybe the school should implement a no phone policy while school is in session, that would stop that at least...

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Wed 10/28/15 02:26 PM
I'm pretty sure the school already has a "no phone" policy in place. What school doesn't?

Excessive? perhaps a little?... In my school days, we got tossed around while still seated in those desks all the time, I'm shocked it was a cop and not a pizzed off teacher who did it lol

Start em young I say, If a cop says stand up, ya better as hell do as he says or else.
I've been labelled a liberal on here so I better not say to much to jeopardize this smokin

Her lawyer now claims injuries, now THAT'S teaching the young ones the American way! high school drop out cashing in the millions :thumbsup:

mightymoe's photo
Wed 10/28/15 02:31 PM

I'm pretty sure the school already has a "no phone" policy in place. What school doesn't?

Excessive? perhaps a little?... In my school days, we got tossed around while still seated in those desks all the time, I'm shocked it was a cop and not a pizzed off teacher who did it lol

Start em young I say, If a cop says stand up, ya better as hell do as he says or else.
I've been labelled a liberal on here so I better not say to much to jeopardize this smokin

Her lawyer now claims injuries, now THAT'S teaching the young ones the American way! high school drop out cashing in the millions :thumbsup:



in cased you missed it, all the videos were from other kids cell phones in the class, and the whole thing started by her texting in the first place... so i'm just guessing here, but i don't think there is a no cell phone policy in place there...

mikeybgood1's photo
Wed 10/28/15 02:32 PM
Actually there are reasons to toss a 16 yr old girl across a room if you're a cop. Like she has a weapon, or is reaching to obtain one.

Not the case here obviously, but never say never. Of course hurting a young girl should not be your FIRST choice if she's just being an objectionable little so and so.

At 16, she's hopefully got a couple brain cells, but seemingly none were used here. When a cop says move it or lose it, you move it. End of discussion.

Like I said in an earlier post, she wasn't engaged in some Rosa Parks type moment of moral introspection and courage that would make you want to resist authority and bear the consequences, ok.

This is not some seminal ground breaking moment in American history. It's some kid simply being a brat, and being given the chance to walk away. In fact, several chances. When the cop shows up, game time is over. Shut up and leave. You made the school have to get the cops to toss you outta class. Ooooooo, you're a thug now. A couple dings on the street cred machine.

You still want to be defiant? Well you pay a price for being a prick. I don't see WHY this is such a difficult concept for some people to grasp. It's not about being nice, caring, gentle, and letting the kid 'win' to where you now have even more students acting out.

We have rules. You follow them. You don't follow them, you get in trouble for that. The DEGREE of trouble is PURELY based on how much you want to push the confrontation.

Would it have been better if he had used a 'parade ground' voice and just screamed at her so long and loud that she cried and then he cuffed her? Called her names and made her cry?

Seriously. The pussification of the western world continues.

Argo's photo
Wed 10/28/15 02:39 PM
in the future any more disrupting of a classroom by 16yo girls will be dealt
with severely by Officer Friendly....if standard methods such as, arm-bars,
wrist snaps,hair pulling, choke holds, pummelling by baton and
pepper-spraying fail in his attempts to convince the criminal to comply
with his lawful commands...he will be forced to shoot the offending teenager in the head a couple of times....

it's a classroom not a prison-yard....there are alternatives to violence...

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Wed 10/28/15 02:48 PM


And how many kids will now have their phones out, across the country tomorrow.. In some juvenile protest

And be totally convinced a black girl was attacked by a cop for texting ! Instead of the entire truth, including her ignoring 3 authority figures & resiting arrest.

OMG slaphead


regardless, it's no reason to treat a child that way... maybe the school should implement a no phone policy while school is in session, that would stop that at least...

I agree with this. The word being child. I don't know what colour has to do with it either.

mikeybgood1's photo
Wed 10/28/15 02:56 PM
Yes the alternative to the violence WAS ASKING THE STUDENT NICELY TO LEAVE THE ROOM. THAT WAS DONE ALREADY, AT LEAST 4-6 TIMES, BY TWO ADULTS. DUH

THEN the cop showed up. Fun and games are officially OVER now. DUH-UH

When NICE doesn't work, then you then move to NOT NICE. The cop was NOT NICE. In fact he was downright nasty. However the kids don't run the school, and don't get to arbitrarily decide what rules they will follow or not follow.

THAT's the issue. The lack of respect triggers the confrontation. If Princess Text Message LEAVES THE ROOM AT ANY POINT, NONE OF THIS EVER HAPPENS......



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Wed 10/28/15 03:05 PM