I can totally see why you may think I am giving a pass to beautiful people who berate others, based on the way I worded the introduction in my post.

Mia culpa

I totally agree with what you said about NOT giving beraters of others a pass on the basis of the berater's good looks. It is a pity that I didn't make that point clear in my introductory statement instead of inserting it as a mere footnote in my second post in this thread, on page one. In my response to Butribu, I said ...

"But even if the whole world says they are good looking, that is no reason to harshly criticize people that don't have their looks."

Now I understand that attractiveness is all very subjective, so that when I use this term for the purpose of THIS THREAD, I am using it in the constricted westernized standard of beauty that so many uphold today. In fact some of the very beraters I referred to, use that standard as their base.

In this thread I could have focused on what gives a person the right to be picky about a mate, whether it is their looks, their accomplishments or maybe the content of their character.

Or I could have focused on how berating as an act is wrong in general.

Or I could have focused on different aspects of a person that people choose to berate ,whether it be their intellect, their looks, their jobs or their personality.

I chose in this thread to focus on the ironic aspect of being picky and berating the looks of others.

I know that berating others is wrong whether it is done by attractive, or unattractive people, but I personally identify a difference between when a good looking person does it, verses when a not- so good -looking person does it.

When an attractive person harshly criticizes an unattractive person on their looks, it is cruel.

But when a person with flawed looks harshly criticizes another person with similarly flawed looks, it is not just cruel in my opinion , but also ironic and laughable .

And as I have said several times in this thread, if a person feels entitled to be harshly critical and even derogatory about the looks of others , then they should not have an issue if someone else decides to judge the irony of their behaviour, with as much harshness as the beraters dispense.

Harshness is much less palatable on the receiving end of the spectrum.

Pathetic Individual[s] With Low Self Esteem & Insecurity:



The behavior that you have described Peggy is attributed to a type of online persona known as a "Internet Troll" & it is definitely on the rise. The online or cyberspace environment must be stressed as the Troll's preferred location for their callous, irrational, & cruel displays. The primary result of what ever means of expression that is chosen by The Troll is the desire to inflict or create, some sort of negative response by causing other individuals to experience some sort of "Hurt", "Upset", & "Anger" ect...



Link: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_troll
In Internet slang, a troll (/ˈtroʊl/, /ˈtrɒl/) is a person who sows discord on the Internet by starting arguments or upsetting people, by posting inflammatory,[1] extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community (such as a newsgroup, forum, chat room, or blog) with the deliberate intent of provoking readers into an emotional response[2] or of otherwise disrupting normal on-topic discussion,[3] often for their own amusement.This sense of the word "troll" and its associated verb trolling are associated with Internet discourse, but have been used more widely. Media attention in recent years has equated trolling with online harassment. For example, mass media has used troll to describe "a person who defaces Internet tribute sites with the aim of causing grief to families.

Could not have said it better than that. Thanks...

wow..
I heard the term before but I didn't know understand it in the detail that this literature described it. Thanks Valeris. This captured the berating trend perfectly. Thank you! :)

I guess that's where we differ I don't make a distinction, because I feel if I did I would be just as guilty as judging based soley on looks.

I don't think it is ironic or laughable if someone unattractive makes the remark. They have just as much right to be a confident, arrogant, a-holes as a more attractive person.

It is just cruel, regardless of what the person making the remark looks like.

To follow up the point, you say when we judge someone based on IRONY, implying that we are only going to judge the not-so-attractive...and that it is now some how ok to do that...well because they should have known they are ugly too, so lets point it out to them now.

But we don't do the same thing to the attractive person (perhaps because we feel less attractive then them and don't want them directing their insults at us)

Everyone has some flaw we could point out (often the attractive people are the most sensitive) but we are FAR more likely to 'exact revenge' on people we feel superior to, and we refrain from doing the same to those we feel inferior to.

If we are going to judge someone and point something out for the same bad behavior our responses shouldn't depend on what the other person looks like.

It's interesting that you said this crystal because Butibu said almost the exact same thing on the first page of this thread . It's almost like these people are a weird hybrid of low self esteem and over inflated ego. Maybe like Butribu said,valeris and you alluded to, a big part of berating is about projecting negative images onto other people to distract people from the negativity they fear that others will project towards them

yep in fact on some sights
trolls are high fived and likes, reps and kudos are given for this kind of behavior

Which is why they continue to thrive because their behaviour is continually reinforced. :(

COMMENT

I don't think it is ironic or laughable if someone unattractive makes the remark. They have just as much right to be a confident, arrogant, a-holes as a more attractive person.

RESPONSE:

I don't think anyone has the right to be an azzhole regardles of their looks .

COMMENT

To follow up the point, you say when we judge someone based on IRONY, implying that we are only going to judge the not-so-attractive...and that it is now some how ok to do that...well because they should have known they are ugly too, so lets point it out to them now.
If we are going to judge someone and point something out for the same bad behavior our responses shouldn't depend on what the other person looks like.


RESPONSE


I feel the need to quote statements I made which condemn the act of berating as wrong/cruel regardless of people's looks:

1. "But even if the whole world says they are good looking, that is no reason to harshly criticize people that don't have their looks."

2. "I totally agree with what you said about NOT giving beraters of others a pass on the basis of the berater's good looks."

3. "I know that berating others is wrong whether it is done by attractive, or unattractive people"


Me pointing out the comic irony of unattractive people berating others on their looks DOES NOT translate into me NOT JUDGING attractive people who berate others looks. My statements above clearly indicate that I condemn the actions of both groups.

The berating in both scenarios are wrong and cruel, but one scenario has irony present and the other one doesnt.

When an attractive person harshly criticizes an unattractive person on their looks, there is no irony.

When a person with flawed looks harshly criticizes another person with similarly flawed looks, there is irony

Identifying irony in one scenario and not in another, doesnt mean that I am labeling the act of berating as good in one case and bad in another. Irony is merely a FACT in one scenario that I described, and NOT in the other scenario mentioned. Irony here is an independent concept . I dont see irony as a barometer or catalyst for my judgment because I have made my judgment on berating abundantly clear. It is WRONG and CRUEL regardless of who does it.

COMMENT

But we don't do the same thing to the attractive person (perhaps because we feel less attractive then them and don't want them directing their insults at us)

Everyone has some flaw we could point out (often the attractive people are the most sensitive) but we are FAR more likely to 'exact revenge' on people we feel superior to, and we refrain from doing the same to those we feel inferior to.

RESPONSE

If an attractive person berated someone for their looks , I suspect that some witnesses to that scenario would attack the attractive person on what society perceives to be their weaknesses. Dont the kim kardashians and Paris Hiltons experience their backlash of haters too?

This is what I heard somebody refer to as the "clap back season ". If unattractive people get attacked for their looks, there will be a group of people that will clap back insults. They would accuse the attractive persons of promiscuity, plastic surgery, accuse them of being dumb and having no personality , etc. Isn't that how the persona of the dumb blonde, and dumb jock emerged?... as a counter attack from marginalised unpopular groups?

I cant predict how many people will fight back against beautiful beraters, but I guarantee you, the beautiful azzholes are not likely to get away unscathed in the era of the internet mob.

lol

i found that magic mirror !! --->

How did you get it from Lord Farquaad?