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Topic: Torture For Terrorists ?
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Fri 04/01/16 06:31 AM
MOST AMERICANS AGREE WITH TRUMP: TERRORISTS SHOULD BE TORTURED

http://youtu.be/9tMclifo0h8/
02:03

Zerohedge report, a new Reuters poll, reveals that nearly two-thirds of Americans agree with Trump that torture is justified if it means extracting information from terrorists. Here’s more:

Nearly two-thirds of Americans believe torture can be justified to extract information from suspected terrorists, according to a Reuters/Ipsos poll, a level of support similar to that seen in countries like Nigeria where militant attacks are common.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-03-30/most-americans-agree-trump-terrorists-should-be-tortured/

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-torture-exclusive-idUSKCN0WW0Y3/


TxsGal3333's photo
Fri 04/01/16 06:49 AM
Barbaric whoa

Conrad_73's photo
Fri 04/01/16 07:00 AM
Edited by Conrad_73 on Fri 04/01/16 07:10 AM
of course,Opinions differ widely on what Torture is!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_methods_of_torture

Psychological torture methods

Blackmailing
Exploitation of phobias; e.g., mock execution, leaving arachnophobes in a room full of spiders

Being subjected to interrogation for long periods

Sleep deprivation

Solitary confinement

Sensory deprivation


Threat of permanent, severe disfigurement
Pharmacological torture
Chinese water torture

Music torture

the BOLDED ONES
I can sort of agree with!

TxsGal3333's photo
Fri 04/01/16 08:21 AM
Conrad even I could agree to some of those to a degree.. But for some reason I'm not getting the feeling that is the kind of torture they are referring too..noway

Which the ones you listed pretty sure they do that now already~~

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Fri 04/01/16 09:10 AM

Conrad even I could agree to some of those to a degree.. But for some reason I'm not getting the feeling that is the kind of torture they are referring too..noway

Which the ones you listed pretty sure they do that now already~~

yes,I guess it is slippery slope!

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Fri 04/01/16 09:33 AM
The way I have read terrorist defined (here). I would have to say, NO.

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Fri 04/01/16 12:53 PM

MOST AMERICANS AGREE WITH TRUMP: TERRORISTS SHOULD BE TORTURED

http://youtu.be/9tMclifo0h8/
02:03

Zerohedge report, a new Reuters poll, reveals that nearly two-thirds of Americans agree with Trump that torture is justified if it means extracting information from terrorists. Here’s more:

Nearly two-thirds of Americans believe torture can be justified to extract information from suspected terrorists, according to a Reuters/Ipsos poll, a level of support similar to that seen in countries like Nigeria where militant attacks are common.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-03-30/most-americans-agree-trump-terrorists-should-be-tortured/

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-torture-exclusive-idUSKCN0WW0Y3/




The gloves need to come off with these guys. They don't play by the rules. For crying out loud this is war, there should not be rules of war at all. The goal is to win.

Not to mention we were able to find Osama Bin Laden and MANY other high value targets and prevent many terrorist attacks with Enhanced Interrogation Techniques!

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Fri 04/01/16 01:00 PM
Waterboarding should be common practice.

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Fri 04/01/16 02:55 PM

Waterboarding should be common practice.


That seems to be what they were referring to in one of the above links.

My problem with the question is... What is a terrorist?
Under this administration anyone can be referred to a ' Terrorist', which is why & only why, I said ' NO'.

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Sat 04/02/16 03:48 AM
Yes they should be

Robxbox73's photo
Sat 04/02/16 04:07 AM

of course,Opinions differ widely on what Torture is!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_methods_of_torture

Psychological torture methods

Blackmailing
Exploitation of phobias; e.g., mock execution, leaving arachnophobes in a room full of spiders

Being subjected to interrogation for long periods

Sleep deprivation

Solitary confinement

Sensory deprivation


Threat of permanent, severe disfigurement
Pharmacological torture
Chinese water torture

Music torture

the BOLDED ONES
I can sort of agree with!



You know, Conrad, your leaving out a form of torture that the USGOV used for a long time and it was fairly effective. MKULTRA. LSD, Sodium Pentatol. Given in large doses people would trip so hard they couldn't even think about lying. No need to drown people when the mind can be tricked no? Good alternative to becoming a babaric super power? ohwell what noway oops spock whoa

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Sat 04/02/16 04:29 AM

Proud not to be American .. Will they televise the torture and enforce all those who voted yes .. to watch .. or will it remain a dirty secret . Violence against violence is a poor solution .


Agreed, but New Zealand is not perfect. Ever hear of the
Aotearoa people? You call them the Mauri? No offense Blondey, but there is no country under the sun that doesn't have a dirty little secret.

I'm proud to be an American. You have no more say in the stupid things your government does, any more than i. Please try to remember that the Trumpo does not speak for the majority of Americans. I belive he is just a tool designed to stir hate in the American people. Recent polls show he has leveled off. His main support is older educated white males. He is not got a strong hispanic, Native, AfricanAmerican, and female vote. His design has made it so we're going to have Clinton to continue the ineptitude of USGOV. So we will be locked down again. :angry: flowerforyou brokenheart

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Sat 04/02/16 04:42 AM


of course,Opinions differ widely on what Torture is!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_methods_of_torture

Psychological torture methods

Blackmailing
Exploitation of phobias; e.g., mock execution, leaving arachnophobes in a room full of spiders

Being subjected to interrogation for long periods

Sleep deprivation

Solitary confinement

Sensory deprivation


Threat of permanent, severe disfigurement
Pharmacological torture
Chinese water torture

Music torture

the BOLDED ONES
I can sort of agree with!



You know, Conrad, your leaving out a form of torture that the USGOV used for a long time and it was fairly effective. MKULTRA. LSD, Sodium Pentatol. Given in large doses people would trip so hard they couldn't even think about lying. No need to drown people when the mind can be tricked no? Good alternative to becoming a babaric super power? ohwell what noway oops spock whoa

reason why I left this one "Pharmacological torture" un-bolded!
they would probably trip so high,they couldn't think of anything!

Robxbox73's photo
Sat 04/02/16 04:44 AM



of course,Opinions differ widely on what Torture is!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_methods_of_torture

Psychological torture methods

Blackmailing
Exploitation of phobias; e.g., mock execution, leaving arachnophobes in a room full of spiders

Being subjected to interrogation for long periods

Sleep deprivation

Solitary confinement

Sensory deprivation


Threat of permanent, severe disfigurement
Pharmacological torture
Chinese water torture

Music torture

the BOLDED ONES
I can sort of agree with!



You know, Conrad, your leaving out a form of torture that the USGOV used for a long time and it was fairly effective. MKULTRA. LSD, Sodium Pentatol. Given in large doses people would trip so hard they couldn't even think about lying. No need to drown people when the mind can be tricked no? Good alternative to becoming a babaric super power? ohwell what noway oops spock whoa

reason why I left this one "Pharmacological torture" un-bolded!
they would probably trip so high,they couldn't think of anything!


Oh right, good point!

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Sat 04/02/16 06:59 AM

The gloves need to come off with these guys. They don't play by the rules. For crying out loud this is war, there should not be rules of war at all. The goal is to win.

Not to mention we were able to find Osama Bin Laden and MANY other high value targets and prevent many terrorist attacks with Enhanced Interrogation Techniques!


Actually, the people who actually know, have said that it is a false myth, helped along by Hollywood, that it was torture that got us the intel to find and kill Bin Laden and others.


Sassyeuro:
My problem with the question is... What is a terrorist?
Under this administration anyone can be referred to a ' Terrorist', which is why & only why, I said ' NO'.



Excellent thing to realize. Further, the problem with approving something you normally absolutely abhor, just because you are extra angry at someone or about something, is that once that "exception" door is opened, pretty much everything rushed through.

Make an exception for war, and anything that someone CALLS a war, allows torture. Remember War On Drugs? War On Poverty? War On [Your Favorite Theme Here]?

As for the fact that a poll finds a lot of support for torturing terrorists, that's misleading in the extreme.

Look at all the polls that have been conducted over the last three decades, since mass media REALLY came into it's own. Conduct a poll right after a big movie comes out, or during a wild political campaign season, and everyone SEEMS to suddenly have much more extreme viewpoints.

When the torture that was being conducted of the Iraq wars was first revealed, polls showed Americans were strongly opposed to it. Why? Because it was clear we were winning against our enemies, and that it wasn't necessary to torture prisoners to do so.

But right now, we have a whole lot of politicians with deep pockets, who are spending billions to tell us that we're LOSING against out enemies. Not because we are, but because their side wins more elections when we THINK we are.

Just like the economy. It's not in that bad a shape, but we're all being told we're on the brink of disaster, because SOME politicians who are out of power, are spending big bucks to tell us that collapse is around hte corner.

metalwing's photo
Sat 04/02/16 10:01 AM
The Geneva Convention was used to put in place "rules for warfare" that were to be shared by civilized nations in actual warfare. The rules were never meant to apply to criminals or terrorists. Even then, there were exceptions specifically given for treatment of those playing "outside the rules". If, for example, you were caught in the act of spying or warfare without a uniform, you could just be shot ... end of story.

Terrorists play by a different set of rules called "asymmetric warfare". They play to the weakness of the rules of whoever they attach. Civilians are fair game as are women and children. Poison of any kind, weapons of any kind, and religious targets are fair game.

To expect one to use the rules of the Geneva Convention to apply to one side but not to the other is to defend oneself with one hand tied behind your back.

Terrorists do not exist in a vacuum. They are fed, housed, financed, and equipped by a different type of terrorist who doesn't actually pull the trigger. All of which need to be identified and dealt with harshly.

The nation of Iran, for example, should not be allowed to exist in it's present form.

IgorFrankensteen's photo
Sat 04/02/16 10:40 AM
Edited by IgorFrankensteen on Sat 04/02/16 10:45 AM

The Geneva Convention was used to put in place "rules for warfare" that were to be shared by civilized nations in actual warfare. The rules were never meant to apply to criminals or terrorists. Even then, there were exceptions specifically given for treatment of those playing "outside the rules". If, for example, you were caught in the act of spying or warfare without a uniform, you could just be shot ... end of story.

Terrorists play by a different set of rules called "asymmetric warfare". They play to the weakness of the rules of whoever they attach. Civilians are fair game as are women and children. Poison of any kind, weapons of any kind, and religious targets are fair game.

To expect one to use the rules of the Geneva Convention to apply to one side but not to the other is to defend oneself with one hand tied behind your back.

Terrorists do not exist in a vacuum. They are fed, housed, financed, and equipped by a different type of terrorist who doesn't actually pull the trigger. All of which need to be identified and dealt with harshly.

The nation of Iran, for example, should not be allowed to exist in it's present form.


First of all, please explain this total non sequitur:

"The nation of Iran, for example, should not be allowed to exist in it's present form."

Nothing that you said before that, has anything at all to do with Iran. So what in the world are you talking about them suddenly for?

As for the rest of it...

The Geneva and other related accords do NOT say "on the other hand, if the other guy misbehaves first, then all bets are off, and you can do whatever you like."

So your argument that because terrorists (which are NOT defined by anyone save those being attacked) are not directly specified as combatants or innocents under the accords, that we can pretend WE aren't obligated to behave according to the laws, is completely false.

I know it feels good to pretend you can be immoral as long as you are the SECOND person to do it, but really, that's something most people should have learned is BS, by the time they became adults.

After all, it's against the law to steal. If someone steals from you, however, you are NOT allowed to therefore go to their place and steal from THEM. If someone kills your friend, it is NOT legal for you to go to their home and kill them in cold blood. If someone abuses your child, it is NOT okay in any sense at all, for you to abuse theirs.

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Sat 04/02/16 01:27 PM
For all you who hate or fear Muslims ..the Isis propaganda is working on you k bye.

Conrad_73's photo
Sat 04/02/16 01:53 PM

For all you who hate or fear Muslims ..the Isis propaganda is working on you k bye.
:laughing:

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Sat 04/02/16 01:59 PM


The Geneva Convention was used to put in place "rules for warfare" that were to be shared by civilized nations in actual warfare. The rules were never meant to apply to criminals or terrorists. Even then, there were exceptions specifically given for treatment of those playing "outside the rules". If, for example, you were caught in the act of spying or warfare without a uniform, you could just be shot ... end of story.

Terrorists play by a different set of rules called "asymmetric warfare". They play to the weakness of the rules of whoever they attach. Civilians are fair game as are women and children. Poison of any kind, weapons of any kind, and religious targets are fair game.

To expect one to use the rules of the Geneva Convention to apply to one side but not to the other is to defend oneself with one hand tied behind your back.

Terrorists do not exist in a vacuum. They are fed, housed, financed, and equipped by a different type of terrorist who doesn't actually pull the trigger. All of which need to be identified and dealt with harshly.

The nation of Iran, for example, should not be allowed to exist in it's present form.


First of all, please explain this total non sequitur:

"The nation of Iran, for example, should not be allowed to exist in it's present form."

Nothing that you said before that, has anything at all to do with Iran. So what in the world are you talking about them suddenly for?

As for the rest of it...

The Geneva and other related accords do NOT say "on the other hand, if the other guy misbehaves first, then all bets are off, and you can do whatever you like."

So your argument that because terrorists (which are NOT defined by anyone save those being attacked) are not directly specified as combatants or innocents under the accords, that we can pretend WE aren't obligated to behave according to the laws, is completely false.

I know it feels good to pretend you can be immoral as long as you are the SECOND person to do it, but really, that's something most people should have learned is BS, by the time they became adults.

After all, it's against the law to steal. If someone steals from you, however, you are NOT allowed to therefore go to their place and steal from THEM. If someone kills your friend, it is NOT legal for you to go to their home and kill them in cold blood. If someone abuses your child, it is NOT okay in any sense at all, for you to abuse theirs.

what's that got to do with enhanced Interrogation of Terrorists?


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