Obama just got one giant step closer towards creating a national gun registry

President Obama is taking a big step towards creating a national gun registry. Hawaii looks like it is about to provide the federal government with the list of all the gun owners in the state. Supposedly, keeping a list of gun owners’ names will enable the FBI to tell police if a gun owner ever gets arrested.

But a national gun registry isn’t necessary to do this check. The FBI isn’t the only organization that can do background checks on already existing gun owners. Hawaii already has a gun registry, and can regularly run its list of names to see if people have gotten arrested.

Some concealed carry states do that for their concealed handgun permit holders. For example, Kentucky checks its list of permit holders every month.

Hawaii is going to pay for entering the names in the new federal registry by charging gun owners a new fee. But, even if this registration reduced crime, it would hardly be just the gun owners who have registered their guns who would be the only ones who benefit. Economics would indicate that the people who benefit from this proposal should be the ones to pay for it.

If Hawaii officials really think that this will reduce crime for everyone and they aren’t just pushing this as a way to reduce gun ownership even further, they can pay for these checks out of general revenue.

This will undoubtedly be a waste of money. Out of all the guns owned in the US, just hundredths of one percent are used in committing crimes, and the rate that registered guns are used in crimes is a tiny fraction of that. For concealed handgun permit holders the revocation rate for any firearms related violation is thousandths of one percent, and almost all of those are trivial, nonviolent offenses.

Gun control advocates have long claimed that gun registration will help solve crime. Their reasoning is straightforward: If a registered gun is left at a crime scene, it can be used to identify the criminal.

Unfortunately, it rarely works out this way. Criminals seldom make the mistake of leaving behind guns that are registered to themselves. In the few cases where registered guns are left at the scene, it is because the criminals have already been killed or injured. And these guns are virtually never registered to the person who committed the crime.

Take Canada, which abolished its ineffective long gun registry in 2012. The Royal Canadian Mounted Police and the Chiefs of Police did not provide even a single example of tracing being of more than peripheral importance to solving a case. There isn’t even any evidence that Canada's handgun registry, commenced in 1934, has ever been important to solving a single homicide.

During a recent deposition, the DC police department could not “recall any specific instance where registration records were used to determine who committed a crime.”

When I testified before the Hawaii State Senate in 2000, the Honolulu Chief of Police also stated that he couldn’t find any crimes that had been solved thanks to registration and licensing. He also said that his officers spent about 50,000 hours each year on those two tasks. This time is being taken away from traditional law enforcement activities that we know really work.

Many people fear that the names in Hawaii’s gun registry will serve as the start of a federal, nationwide database. Americans in California, Connecticut, Chicago, and New York, have already seen how registration can eventually lead to the confiscation of guns.

Gun registration is just another example of gun-control advocates only looking at the benefits of gun control. But if they really want to reduce crime and save lives, we need to compare the very real costs of these laws with a careful view of their supposed benefits.

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2016/05/27/obama-just-got-one-giant-step-closer-towards-creating-national-gun-registry.html/
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I pity the poor Saps that have to go from House to House to collect about 300'000'000 Firearm,give or take a few Million!
Most likely that Registry already illegally exists!
Especially if the FBI "forgets" to delete the Background Checks in due time!
Same goes for the BATF.

This story Broke 3 days ago, I am shocked no one made a thread.

http://bigstory.ap.org/article/057945d6be7a4fb89d68bbf7d8b48bd8/hawaii-could-be-first-put-gun-owners-federal-database/

Especially in places like Texas lol

Sounds like an example of a not-so-good attempt at a solution to a genuine problem.

We have lots of those.

I am always cautious about such things. I think it's important to deflect the immediate bad idea, without going too far, and declaring that there's no problem to solve, as too many protesters end up doing.

The creation of some national databases, has had great positive results, such as the capture of serial killers who move from state to state.

It used to be a simple matter for criminals to escape prosecution, simply by crossing state lines, until we made certain changes to the original ideal of maintaining a Republic of independent states.

This particular idea seems impractical and unnecessary, even for what it might be trying to do.

if you really think about it, what good solutions have the liberals come up with a while? everything they do is for a smokescreen type effect, something to make the democrat voters think they are doing something constructive, when in reality they are just making a stronger police nation...

You mean other than the form 4473 and form 3310.4 that all firearms dealers have you fill out when you buy one or more guns, and they have to keep for 20 years, all bound in a big book that the ATF can request or look at whenever a FFL dealer retires or at any time in the pursuit of a criminal investigation?


Oh.
So basically they are taking their big books full of form 4473's and just handing them over rather than making cops come look at them.
Otherwise, scanning them and keeping them online rather than sitting in a giant folder in a filing cabinet.

Wow.
Huge change.
Mass hysteria.


Gun registration already exists.
Except for private sales.
Which is effected not at all by anything the posted story says is happening.


Database pretty much already exists.
It's just in the hands of every firearm retailer and easily accessible by law enforcement.
At best this is just shifting costs to the federal government to keep and maintain the database.

When the government actually requires every single person to take every single gun they have and reregister it and register any secondary transaction where they've sold guns privately or given guns as a present, and tell them to whom the gun(s) were given, that's when you really need to worry.

Otherwise it's really easy to get around.
Buy a whole ton of guns. Go to backpage or wherever and start an ad that says "willing to trade kimber 1911 for sig."
Or get your family members to buy a whole crap ton of guns in their life and then leave them to you when they die, or simply as birthday presents.


create plentiful jobs, smooth upward social mobility, and actually protect private property.
That's pretty much the only way you will reduce crime and "save lives."

Jeeeez...

I'll need terrain and grid maps,
just to find many of mine.

Wait!
Do I have to register firearms,
that aren't in my physical possession?

We love the Constitution in Texas. That's why the USGOV considers Texas a hostile federation. Remember the Jade Helm map. Also, I wouldn't mind seceding from this dam mess.

You keep focusing on the antiquated Republican sourced idea that all bad ideas come from liberals, even when the ones you don't like have nothing to do with liberalism.

Your desire to stick with that idea no matter what, blinds you to the fact that EVERYONE has been doing things for a "smokescreen tyoe effect."

That's why so many Republican and other conservative voters are so angry with the GOP leadership, who has been doing nothing BUT putting up smoke screens.

National Firearms-Registry is a Schnaps-Idee!

Boating-Accidents?

Yep,the Criminals will stand in line,even jump the Queue to register theirs!

Yeah, well, again, the national registry idea is a bad one. But it's NOT based on the particular notion you are pretending it is.

yes, the criminals always follow the laws... thats why the dumb liberals are on board with these dumbazz ideas, because they aren't smart enough to realize it's not the criminals they are after...

Pulease enlighten us then!