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The fact that you're alive and have the breath of life is enough reason to know that God exist
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The fact that I'm alive and have the breath of life is enough to convince me that my parents were successful in creating me, and here I am nearly 70 years later and still breathing.
What has 'god' got to do with it? Nothing! |
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People that talk to God back then? Same as they do now... They are labeled Scizophrentic and lied to constantly by the medical field.. Though he is just a man... Look up Plato's quote about Madness and remember passages from the Bible about people blocking out their eyes to see messages from God...
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Your description might apply to Americans but it certainly does not apply to those in English schools when I was at school. If something is random, it is not programmed (no need for boldface or capitals, those are considered to be shouting). On the other hand if something is programmed, it is not random. Those words are near enough opposites! Believers in some sort of faith would say that what happened from the dawm of time has all been programmed by the fantastic being they believe in. People like me say the opposite. The universe was created by random acts, which clearly do not need trillions of years. The very meaning of the word random is that something might happen tomorrow, or not for a very long time. What actually happened is that life formed in a random way over the number of years that it took to happen, nothing more, nothing less than that. I can't understand why some people behave like conspiracy theorists and just cannot accept that what happened is what happened, and was not 'created' by some amazing being. If I find I'm wrong and I get to meet this being, my only question would be, "Why?" Apply Occam's Razor to this situation - the simplest explanation is most likely to be the correct one. I go along with that! occam razor is a REPEATING of itself and then reduced to simplest terms. very much different than how you are using it. the european culture itself seems too relaxed in general, as if time had a meaning of its own and when time is finished i'll know. and i would imagine the school systems even in American Catholics Schools would be different than the one you attended. but it is true what i say: when the 10 Commandments was displayed in schools and courthouses/room, there was not once an incident of a student coming to school with the intention of killing every person. since the REMOVAL of the 10 Commandments, over 20 SCHOOL SHOOTINGS: Young men 14 - 19 of age shooting up churches, mosques, people driving by on the highway, places to eat, movie theatres, sporting events... ...to the point that 14 to 19 year olds have killed more people, where people WERE ONCE BASICALLY GUARANTEED TO BE SAFE FROM THIS TYPE OF BRUTAL MURDER...than all of the lives on both sides of the current 15 years + Afghanny War!! |
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I do indeed have a very relaxed view of life, and I enjoy it very much.
I am not in the slightest bit convinced about the reasons for the relatively recent shootings that are taking place, even here in England, but nothing like as much as in the USA. I think you are comparing apples with oranges here. The one is not the cause of the other. 
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The fact that you're alive and have the breath of life is enough reason to know that God exist Amen!! it is a great tragedy to think of the Universe in its whole, impossible to fully comprehend, impossible to even guess where the limits begin to know if Space is limitless or not, coupled with the fact that the Universe is literally expanding every second ticking on your clock growing to limits beyond our reasoning. and then, a single planet (that we know of, we believe other planets showed trace of life, but not necessarily life like what we are experiencing and living) that sits just exactly where the Sun cannot bake it, burn it up, but yet this Planet is able to not just use this light, but this life requires this light on this Planet. so the TWO have to work together. Earth is located the only place where life could exist within its Galaxy. it had to be just where we sit from the Sun to sustain life at all (this was proven Mathematically be Stephen Hawking that just a few MILLIONTHS of an INCH closer/further away we would not exist nor be able to exist like we do), ALL of this factual data and just how incredible it is we are located as we are because 1 way or another and pooooooof...just blows me away they would see this PRECISENESS between Earth and Sol, and not conjugate the connection of Purpose over Accident.. the Laws of Physics from gravity, inertia, the location of other planets, their moons, and other stellar existence, to electromagnetics have kept the Earth from being like HAWKING MENTIONED, literally MILLIONTHS of ONE INCH from existing and not existing. ^ they choose to see this miracle in action (Einstein) as the work of an ACCIDENT!! and then DNA just sets even more apart of how we are definitely not an Accident, but Programmed. look at the Human Species = you and me did you know that EVERY RACE/CREED have their own kind of Genetic defect that the other Races do not? the Jews suffer from 19 know Genetic defects that Irish, German, African descent, Asians, all other Races do not suffer from. and the African descent have their own that the others do not suffer from, just like Germans have their own and so forth. ^ that is IMPOSSIBLE for an Accident to be so Random that it could separate an individual Species genetics into categories and then distribute defects. in other words, evolution has to do what Mathematically it cannot, which is to evolve that fast to generate genetic defects within 15,000 years of current human existence. how the genetic is broken to Race, and then from there to specific defect according to each RACE, is not a RANDOM ACT at all, that is a definite PROGRAM that generates according to RACE!! keep Your Faith, Brotha!! |
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from Wikipedia:
Occam's razor (or Ockham's razor) is a principle from philosophy. Suppose there exists two explanations for an occurrence. In this case the one that requires the least amount of assumptions is usually correct. Another way of saying it is that the more assumptions you have to make, the more unlikely an explanation. Occam's razor applies especially in the philosophy of science, but also more generaly. As I said, this principle states that the simpler of two explanations is more likely to be the correct one. |
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I do indeed have a very relaxed view of life, and I enjoy it very much. I am not in the slightest bit convinced about the reasons for the relatively recent shootings that are taking place, even here in England, but nothing like as much as in the USA. I think you are comparing apples with oranges here. The one is not the cause of the other.
but i never claimed this was about where you exist. you interjected that reality into this conversation. |
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from Wikipedia: Occam's razor (or Ockham's razor) is a principle from philosophy. Suppose there exists two explanations for an occurrence. In this case the one that requires the least amount of assumptions is usually correct. Another way of saying it is that the more assumptions you have to make, the more unlikely an explanation. Occam's razor applies especially in the philosophy of science, but also more generaly. As I said, this principle states that the simpler of two explanations is more likely to be the correct one. yes, and if your observation is not skewed, you can definitely conclude Program over Accident. but then, that would mean Reason, and we don't want anything that has a Reason to exist!! |
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I would say that 'it just happened' is a simpler explanation than 'it was programmed to happen' because that option involves the existence of some very clever being, whose existence has never been proven and cannot be proven, but is instead 'taken on faith alone' - NOT very scientific!!!
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The kind of scientific evidence I require is the accepted method of peer reviewed journals
the scientific evidence of God can be found in any Medical psychiatry Journal under Delusion ....even the greek's medical journals will back it up ...even the Hebrew Bible gives reference of God being a delusion 1.Abraham claimed that the voices telling him to kill his son was God 2.Moses saw a talking burning bush and claimed it was a God 3.Balaam claim that his talking donkey was God when or whenever God comes it will be in the form of a delusion ... funches 3:16 I was easily able to discard the Catholic part of my upbringing and continue leading a normal life.
so in other words no more drinking blood and eating flesh ...Catholicism is cool during Halloween season I think we all believe things that may or may not be true.
to believe is to doubt ... funches 3;16 Belief is a personal thing, within our own minds.
religious belief is never a personal thing...religious belief spread and contaminates the same as a Lethal virus ..you posting about your beliefs is proof of this ...it's an example of how you're spreading your religious beliefs to others No matter how hard you try, you can't MAKE someone love you.
Love is subjective which is why you can make someone love you ....in religion you can command someone to love No matter how hard you try you can't MAKE someone believe exactly as you do or have the same degree of faith in those beliefs.
I'm not sure Patty Hearst would agree with that assessment ..."Stockholm Syndrome" The question Does God Exist? is a personal question requiring no defense.
the question "Does God Exist" will perhaps one day be used to circumvent around The Second Amendment ...if the answer to the question is "yes" or agnostically a "maybe" ...you will not be allowed to "keep nor bear arms" |
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I really dig those Plato quotes
They make a heck of a lot of sense to me, and really ring a bell Thanks for sharing |
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Unfortunately there are none so blind as the deluded who just will not see!
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Edited by
iam_resurrected
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Mon 09/30/19 08:02 AM
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Unfortunately there are none so blind as the deluded who just will not see! if you actually understood formulas and the intricate workings of Mathematics, plus understood the complexities of Singularity and Energy, you would know that the process DARWIN spoke about takes TRILLIONS of Years to develop. the Reason DARWIN stated Billions of Years was due to the fact he was not yet aware of EINSTEIN's Theory of Relativity. the Astrophysicists from Stanford had Einstein's Theories, plus knowledge of today's equations and formulas. And with the PROPER TECHNIQUES used in Mathematics, especially Calculus (Physics), it becomes OBVIOUSLY CLEAR we have EVOLVED 800 Billion years too soon. which MEANS LOGICALLY, MATHEMATICALLY, and FACTUALLY, our existence is currently IMPOSSIBLE at this stage of Evolution!! it has taken the Universe 13 Billions years to reach it's limits as of now. but, we know it is still expanding each day. so even the UNIVERSE has not yet fully EVOLVED, because we are 800 BILLION years too soon in the Factual Process of Evolution. 800 Billion years from now, the Universe most likely will no longer be on a continual expansion, it will have reached its max optimal. and then this is where LIFE should NOW BEGIN (800 Billion years from NOW). so we know why DNA is far more Advanced than the rest of what else is still evolving. there are way too many indicators and monkey wrenches creating literally MILLIONS of Questions that Biologist have NOT, nor EVER will be able to answer. and that has to do with the Fact, LIFE EXISTS currently, when it is literally Mathematically 800 Billion Years too soon in the Darwin's Process of Evolution!! and since we are 800 Billion Years too soon in the Process of Evolution, it's quite obvious we have a Maker Who never did require humans to be no more than humans, animas to be no more than animals, and the bacteria we share because of how we DIGEST-BREAK DOWN-DECOMPOSE does not make us related at all!! |
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It is an unfortunate fact that the bulk of humanity is too limited in its mental vision to weigh with patience and intelligence those isolated phenomena, seen and felt only by a psychologically sensitive few, which lie outside its common experience. Men of broader intellect know that there is no sharp distinction betwixt the real and the unreal; that all things appear as they do only by virtue of the delicate individual physical and mental media through which we are made conscious of them; but the prosaic materialism of the majority condemns as madness the flashes of super-sight which penetrate the common veil of obvious empiricism.
H. P. LOVECRAFT, "The Tomb" |
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I guess I live in a different universe. Wikipedia says:
In physical cosmology, the age of the universe is the time elapsed since the Big Bang. The current measurement of the age of the universe is 13.787±0.020 billion (109) years within the Lambda-CDM concordance model.[1] The uncertainty has been narrowed down to 20 million years, based on a number of studies which all gave extremely similar figures for the age. These include studies of the microwave background radiation, and measurements by the Planck spacecraft, the Wilkinson Microwave Anisotropy Probe and other probes. Measurements of the cosmic background radiation give the cooling time of the universe since the Big Bang,[2] and measurements of the expansion rate of the universe can be used to calculate its approximate age by extrapolating backwards in time. |
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Edited by
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Tue 10/01/19 12:56 AM
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Live Science sums it up like this:
Earth is estimated to be about 4.5 billion years old, and for much of that history it has been home to life in one weird form or another. Indeed, some scientists think life appeared the moment our planet's environment was stable enough to support it. The earliest evidence for life on Earth comes from fossilized mats of cyanobacteria called stromatolites in Greenland that are about 3.7 billion years old. Ancient as their origins are, these bacteria (which are still around today) are already biologically complex—they have cell walls protecting their protein-producing DNA, so scientists think life must have begun much earlier. In fact, there are hints of life in even more primeval rocks: 4.1-billion-year-old zircons from Western Australia contain high amounts of a form of carbon typically used in biological processes. (7 Theories on the Origin of Life) But despite knowing approximately when life first appeared on Earth, scientists are still far from answering how it appeared. "Many theories of the origin of life have been proposed, but since it's hard to prove or disprove them, no fully accepted theory exists," said Diana Northup, a cave biologist at the University of New Mexico. The answer to this question would not only fill one of the largest gaps in scientists' understanding of nature, but also would have important implications for the likelihood of finding life elsewhere in the universe. Lots of ideas Today, there are several competing theories for how life arose on Earth. Some question whether life began on Earth at all, asserting instead that it came from a distant world or the heart of a fallen comet or asteroid. Some even say life might have arisen here more than once. "There may have been several origins," said David Deamer, a biochemist at the University of California, Santa Cruz. "We usually make 'origins' plural just to indicate that we don't necessarily claim there was just a single origin, but just an origin that didn't happen to get blasted by giant [asteroid] impacts." Most scientists agree that life went through a period when RNA was the head-honcho molecule, guiding life through its nascent stages. According to this "RNA World" hypothesis, RNA was the crux molecule for primitive life and only took a backseat when DNA and proteins — which perform their jobs much more efficiently than RNA — developed. "A lot of the most clever and most talented people in my field have accepted that the RNA World was not just possible, but probable," Deamer said. RNA is very similar to DNA, and today carries out numerous important functions in each of our cells, including acting as a transitional-molecule between DNA and protein synthesis, and functioning as an on-and-off switch for some genes. (Extreme Life on Earth: 8 Bizarre Creatures) Either it happened the obvious way that most scientists believe, or for some reason there was a magical wizard that nobody has ever seen who decided to 'create' all this. Why? For her own amusement? Bizarre! The deluded believers think this being exists, others think that life just happened. Take a few chemicals and a bolt of lightning and you can start it yourself! My question is, does it really matter? Maybe this being did all those things claimed of it, but why would it matter to any of us humans? Why would it make a difference? As I've said, personally I believe that the simpler answer of "it just happened and here we are" is the more likely. Would it make a difference if I was wrong? I doubt it but I don't have the time or interest to speculate on the "what if I'm wrong" idea. No point at all in doing that because nobody can prove an answer! I will just carry on enjoying my life. If others choose to have some sort of belief, then good luck to them! |
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Edited by
iam_resurrected
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Tue 10/01/19 11:33 AM
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Live Science sums it up like this: Earth is estimated to be about 4.5 billion years old, and for much of that history it has been home to life in one weird form or another. Indeed, some scientists think life appeared the moment our planet's environment was stable enough to support it. The earliest evidence for life on Earth comes from fossilized mats of cyanobacteria called stromatolites in Greenland that are about 3.7 billion years old. Ancient as their origins are, these bacteria (which are still around today) are already biologically complex—they have cell walls protecting their protein-producing DNA, so scientists think life must have begun much earlier. In fact, there are hints of life in even more primeval rocks: 4.1-billion-year-old zircons from Western Australia contain high amounts of a form of carbon typically used in biological processes. (7 Theories on the Origin of Life) But despite knowing approximately when life first appeared on Earth, scientists are still far from answering how it appeared. "Many theories of the origin of life have been proposed, but since it's hard to prove or disprove them, no fully accepted theory exists," said Diana Northup, a cave biologist at the University of New Mexico. The answer to this question would not only fill one of the largest gaps in scientists' understanding of nature, but also would have important implications for the likelihood of finding life elsewhere in the universe. Lots of ideas Today, there are several competing theories for how life arose on Earth. Some question whether life began on Earth at all, asserting instead that it came from a distant world or the heart of a fallen comet or asteroid. Some even say life might have arisen here more than once. "There may have been several origins," said David Deamer, a biochemist at the University of California, Santa Cruz. "We usually make 'origins' plural just to indicate that we don't necessarily claim there was just a single origin, but just an origin that didn't happen to get blasted by giant [asteroid] impacts." Most scientists agree that life went through a period when RNA was the head-honcho molecule, guiding life through its nascent stages. According to this "RNA World" hypothesis, RNA was the crux molecule for primitive life and only took a backseat when DNA and proteins — which perform their jobs much more efficiently than RNA — developed. "A lot of the most clever and most talented people in my field have accepted that the RNA World was not just possible, but probable," Deamer said. RNA is very similar to DNA, and today carries out numerous important functions in each of our cells, including acting as a transitional-molecule between DNA and protein synthesis, and functioning as an on-and-off switch for some genes. (Extreme Life on Earth: 8 Bizarre Creatures) Either it happened the obvious way that most scientists believe, or for some reason there was a magical wizard that nobody has ever seen who decided to 'create' all this. Why? For her own amusement? Bizarre! The deluded believers think this being exists, others think that life just happened. Take a few chemicals and a bolt of lightning and you can start it yourself! My question is, does it really matter? Maybe this being did all those things claimed of it, but why would it matter to any of us humans? Why would it make a difference? As I've said, personally I believe that the simpler answer of "it just happened and here we are" is the more likely. Would it make a difference if I was wrong? I doubt it but I don't have the time or interest to speculate on the "what if I'm wrong" idea. No point at all in doing that because nobody can prove an answer! I will just carry on enjoying my life. If others choose to have some sort of belief, then good luck to them! first of all, to calculate the wave (micro) into years of time, we use red lines. but, we are skipping the first 2 RED LINES WITHIN OUR OWN GALAXY when Calculating. if we add those Red Lines (like they should be), the radiant is Calculated only around a couple Billion years old. but if you IGNORE THOSE FIRST RED LINES, you can Calculate around 14 Billion. but hey, you GOTTA PAY ATTENTION to know you are getting MISINFORMED!! that is where the true intelligence lies at, not from the OPINIONS of others!! |
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Many people put a whole lot of faith into science and mathematics.
If math were a perfect descriptor there wouldn't be any anomalies. Twenty-two sevenths is an example of why math fails at being perfect. Australian researchers have found the sixty-trillionth binary digit of Pi-squared.
Pi is one of the most mysterious numbers in mathematics because it is "irrational," Pi can never be expressed as a finite decimal number and humanity will never have anything but approximations of it. http://www.energy.gov/articles/supercomputers-crack-sixty-trillionth-binary-digit-pi-squared One explanation of Einstein's relativity theory: When you sit with a pretty girl for two hours you think it's only a minute, but when you sit on a hot stove for a minute you think it's two hours.
Relativity is only significant considering the observer. If there is no mind to ponder the relativity, relativity does not exist. All human science is relative to humans, on this planet in this time period. Everything we think we understand about reality, the Universe and physical laws is relative to our observation from our specific place in the Universe. Additionally, we don't even know for sure if the reality we observe, document and test is universal everywhere, everywhen. Its why new theories arise about old science. Relatively a short time ago, people thought the atom was the smallest form of matter. Now we know about bosons. Our science is ever-changing. We continue to make new discoveries because we continue looking deeper and deeper at the reality around us. We are hampered by relativity because we can't know if our observations actually hold true universally. We haven't looked from that reference point yet. Science will continue to be a trial and error until we learn everything about everywhere, everywhen. Then our understanding of reality will not be relative. It will be universal. Religion requires you to stop questioning what you are told. Religion does not want you to look deeper and deeper into its reality. It erects barriers to keep you thinking the way it needs you to think. It has a system of rewards and punishments you get convinced you will face when you die. It uses those rewards and punishments to change your thinking so your behavior supports it. Religion is self-perpetuating conditioning. A brilliantly utilized society control measure. The problems occur when what you are told you should believe does not align with the reality in which you exist. It causes stress and inner turmoil. When this happens, some attempt to reaffirm their faith in their religion by seeking council with further conditioning. Some get angry with their religion for lying to them. Some get angry with themselves for being so gullible. Some embrace reality and allow the conditioning to slowly pass from them. No matter how you handle it, if it gives you peace of mind, why should ANYONE else care? Granted, there are those that are too mentally unstable to be allowed to express their beliefs in society. But then, you don't just give a gun to everyone and hope for the best. |
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Some embrace reality and allow the conditioning to slowly pass from them. I'm in this category. I embraced reality in my late teens when I realised I had been gullible as a youngster. A bit like believing in Santa, but I gave that one up earlier! |
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