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To avoid an existing thread being deemed off topic, I am continuing here:
many repeat the phrase 'make america great AGAIN' or some version of it for me, AGAIN, implies there was a time that america was 'great' which is revered as an ideal to return to I almost always am inclined to ask 'WHEN?' which time do we need to have 'again'? |
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I don't think it was... every time in history has it's good and bad. Some people just use that as a selling point for their agenda.
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Always sounds wrong to me being from 'great Britain '
Our politicians say make Britain great again! I would have thought the saying would be better as Make America 'United ' again as in USA but who am I to judge, I'm just a little person in a overwhelming world lol |
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Edited by
msharmony
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Wed 01/25/17 12:11 PM
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Id like Make America even greater,,,,lol
as opposed to the idealistic view of an 'again' time that we should emulate,,we have always, as inni says, had good and bad in EVERY time,,, |
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Think we all want our countries to be great.
Just one thing that goes for both our countries and I'll try explain in layman's terms If home grown tomatoes (for example ) are £2 or $2 and imported tomatoes are £1 or $1 then naturally people will buy the cheapest even if they say they support home grown? We want the employment at home but can we afford it? Sorry for the crazy example but maybe you see where I'm coming from? |
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Which America?
Lets see... There is North America Central America and South America How is "Great" being measured? To all the world as a whole? To all the world per individually selected sections? To its own past? To its possible future? Implying that America is the USA forgets about Mexico and Canada. Central America and South America not even considered. That's delusion by ignorance of the word. To consider someone that claims they want to "Make America Great Again" for a position to represent the US nation is basing that consideration on someone that is deluded. Their proclamation defines their ignorance. It also defines those that take heed. Agreed the US people have lost some of their national pride. Many values that were set forth by the founders of the nation have changed but people and nations change over time. Good and bad changes, just like individuals, nations adopt a personality. If the people of the United States do not like the personality of their own nation, no one person is going to change anything without the will of the people. The USA is as it is because of the people that make up the nation. If one thinks a change is needed, take a hand in affecting that change. |
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what about in the 50's and 60's when one person in any family needed to work, could still have 2-3 kids, buy a new car and home, and still have money to save...
now, both parents have to work, can't afford a new car or home, kids not being raised by family, and no money to save... |
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Which America? Lets see... There is North America Central America and South America How is "Great" being measured? To all the world as a whole? To all the world per individually selected sections? To its own past? To its possible future? Implying that America is the USA forgets about Mexico and Canada. Central America and South America not even considered. That's delusion by ignorance of the word. To consider someone that claims they want to "Make America Great Again" for a position to represent the US nation is basing that consideration on someone that is deluded. Their proclamation defines their ignorance. It also defines those that take heed. Agreed the US people have lost some of their national pride. Many values that were set forth by the founders of the nation have changed but people and nations change over time. Good and bad changes, just like individuals, nations adopt a personality. If the people of the United States do not like the personality of their own nation, no one person is going to change anything without the will of the people. The USA is as it is because of the people that make up the nation. If one thinks a change is needed, take a hand in affecting that change. yea, yea, we all know what north and south Americas are, but i think we all know what the question was about, so she doesn't need to rewrite anything for you... |
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yea, yea, we all know what north and south Americas are, but i think we all know what the question was about, so she doesn't need to rewrite anything for you... Never said she had to do anything? All I was doing was asking people to consider. Why so defensive over my opinion? what about in the 50's and 60's when one person in any family needed to work, could still have 2-3 kids, buy a new car and home, and still have money to save... now, both parents have to work, can't afford a new car or home, kids not being raised by family, and no money to save... Answer: Greed, Higher Quality of Life, Better Support Systems |
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Edited by
mightymoe
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Wed 01/25/17 01:54 PM
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yea, yea, we all know what north and south Americas are, but i think we all know what the question was about, so she doesn't need to rewrite anything for you... Never said she had to do anything? All I was doing was asking people to consider. Why so defensive over my opinion? never said you did and not defensive... i just didn't see the need for you point out the obvious, when 2 major continents are called "America"... most of us made the distinction on what she meant.. |
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what about in the 50's and 60's when one person in any family needed to work, could still have 2-3 kids, buy a new car and home, and still have money to save... now, both parents have to work, can't afford a new car or home, kids not being raised by family, and no money to save... the 50s and 60 also had segregation and legal discrimination, ID love to have an economy where one parent could be home and another work on the average salary to support kids but I can do without the legal segregation and discrimination, there is not a time that was GREAT for everyone,, so lets take the good bits from all the different times and maintain or improve upon them 
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yea, yea, we all know what north and south Americas are, but i think we all know what the question was about, so she doesn't need to rewrite anything for you... Never said she had to do anything? All I was doing was asking people to consider. Why so defensive over my opinion? never said you did and not defensive... i just didn't see the need for you point out the obvious, when 2 major continents are called "America"... most of us made the distinction on what she meant.. You did: so she doesn't need to rewrite anything for you... i just didn't see the need for you point out the obvious, when 2 major continents are called "America" I wonder if people in South America feel the same? Being part of 'other' communities that consist of world-wide participants I know there is an issue to referring to the USA as America. They hate that. I know that the implied meaning of "America" is to mean the USA but it is a falsehood and that also implies I accept delusion. there is not a time that was GREAT for everyone,, so lets take the good bits from all the different times and maintain or improve upon them Utopian ideals in a dystopian arena. Commendable but improbable. There can never be a completely utopian society. Some part of it will always disagree with some part of it. There can never be a completely dystopian society. Even in a dystopian society there are those that agree on something. Change occurs from dissatisfaction. If everyone were satisfied with everything all the time goals would be abandoned and society would stagnate. |
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To avoid an existing thread being deemed off topic, I am continuing here: many repeat the phrase 'make america great AGAIN' or some version of it for me, AGAIN, implies there was a time that america was 'great' which is revered as an ideal to return to I almost always am inclined to ask 'WHEN?' which time do we need to have 'again'? .. |
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what about in the 50's and 60's when one person in any family needed to work, could still have 2-3 kids, buy a new car and home, and still have money to save... now, both parents have to work, can't afford a new car or home, kids not being raised by family, and no money to save... absolutely yes there was prejudice and still is but prejudice is a 2 way street we are not born prejudice it is a learned behavior and it is time that it is unlearned |
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Edited by
msharmony
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Wed 01/25/17 04:34 PM
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do you include the men who went and then came back and had to go through the back entrance and be refused service in their own country?
I still dont see, other than a historical first, the significance someone being on the moon made in the average persons life,,,,, How about the fact we dont give money and man power for ANY(to be understood as ALL) natural disaster,, as there are far too many and our resources are not infinite and who is going to be there to keep 'us' in check? all Im saying is america has always had good and bad,, like every country what people revere as making America GREAT are not necessarily tied to a 'time', but rather to events but even during the time great events happened, terrible ones did too,,, so, when I hear 'again', I still laugh,, because it implies there was such a time that we should 'return' to ,,,and there is none,, because there is not a time in our history when there were not improvements that needed to be made |
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what about in the 50's and 60's when one person in any family needed to work, could still have 2-3 kids, buy a new car and home, and still have money to save... now, both parents have to work, can't afford a new car or home, kids not being raised by family, and no money to save... absolutely yes there was prejudice and still is but prejudice is a 2 way street we are not born prejudice it is a learned behavior and it is time that it is unlearned I Agree. I dont believe prejudice is as strong an issue though, if the polices and laws do not encourage, promote, or enforce that prejudice. AS they did directly in the 50s and 60s. |
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what people revere as making America GREAT are not necessarily tied to a 'time', but rather to events I don't see it in either of those two contexts. I think that what made our nation Great was that our people had pride in our nation. The people of the United States worked in unison to promote not only our own well-being but the well-being of the world as a whole. What makes us great is our ability to offer assistance to those less fortunate both at home and on the world stage. We rally forth when we are aware of an injustice or catastrophic event. It is not the dollar amount, it is the mindset of the people that make up this nation. In the past, we were the leaders in education and innovation. We are no longer leading, we are trailing. Making the USA great 'again' means changing the mindset from the narcissistic, instant gratification of the person to a leading, educated and generous country as a whole. Returning to an "US" mental state rather than an "I" mental state as a whole. |
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what people revere as making America GREAT are not necessarily tied to a 'time', but rather to events I don't see it in either of those two contexts. I think that what made our nation Great was that our people had pride in our nation. The people of the United States worked in unison to promote not only our own well-being but the well-being of the world as a whole. What makes us great is our ability to offer assistance to those less fortunate both at home and on the world stage. We rally forth when we are aware of an injustice or catastrophic event. It is not the dollar amount, it is the mindset of the people that make up this nation. In the past, we were the leaders in education and innovation. We are no longer leading, we are trailing. Making the USA great 'again' means changing the mindset from the narcissistic, instant gratification of the person to a leading, educated and generous country as a whole. Returning to an "US" mental state rather than an "I" mental state as a whole. you mean like winning a war on bothe sides of the world in about five years ---- and know cant even win a war in one main geographical area need to take the politics out of military responses --- if the military goes they should not have their hands tied by elected officials |
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what people revere as making America GREAT are not necessarily tied to a 'time', but rather to events I don't see it in either of those two contexts. I think that what made our nation Great was that our people had pride in our nation. The people of the United States worked in unison to promote not only our own well-being but the well-being of the world as a whole. What makes us great is our ability to offer assistance to those less fortunate both at home and on the world stage. We rally forth when we are aware of an injustice or catastrophic event. It is not the dollar amount, it is the mindset of the people that make up this nation. In the past, we were the leaders in education and innovation. We are no longer leading, we are trailing. Making the USA great 'again' means changing the mindset from the narcissistic, instant gratification of the person to a leading, educated and generous country as a whole. Returning to an "US" mental state rather than an "I" mental state as a whole. id have to disagree when large DEMOGRAPHICS of americans were not considered part of that 'we' there are many 'great' things about the USA, we should strive to hold on to them, and not trade them off for other 'great' things of the past at the cost of reliving the not so great things,,, |
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How did the plight of the black community get into this thread?
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