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Topic: post the truth on facebook, and get this...
mightymoe's photo
Tue 02/07/17 10:56 AM
A Swedish police investigator triggered a media tsunami with a Facebook post linking violent crimes with immigrants. Peter Springare received an outpouring of support from fellow officers and common Swedes, as well as some accusations of racism.

Springare is a senior investigator at the serious crimes division at the Örebro Police Department with 47 years under his belt. In the Saturday post he said what he was going to say would not be politically correct and that saying such things could harm an officer's position or pay grade, but he was about to retire and didn't care.

"Here we go; this is what I've handled from Monday-Friday this week: rape, rape, robbery, aggravated assault, rape-assault and rape, extortion, blackmail, assault, violence against police, threats to police, drug crime, drugs, crime, felony, attempted murder, rape again, extortion again and ill-treatment," he wrote.

"Suspected perpetrators; Ali Mohammed, Mahmod, Mohammed, Mohammed Ali, again, again, again. Christopher... what, is it true? Yes, a Swedish name snuck in on the edges of a drug crime. Mohammed, Mahmod Ali, again and again," he added.

The post goes on to identify the origins of the suspects.

"Countries representing all the crimes this week: Iraq, Iraq, Turkey, Syria, Afghanistan, Somalia, Somalia, Syria again, Somalia, unknown, unknown country, Sweden. Half of the suspects, we can't be sure because they don't have any valid papers. Which in itself usually means that they're lying about their nationality and identity."

The post steered waves in Sweden and has since received over 36,000 'likes' and 16,000 'shares' by Tuesday. People supporting Springare's words started a group on Facebook with over 75,000 members. Among the people voicing support of the opinion were fellow police officers, both serving and retired.

According to news website Nyheter Idag, the police station where Springare works received at least 60 bouquets of flowers addressed to him on Monday - a "bloombomb" from admirers.

Others were not happy with the investigator's remark, calling him right-wing or even racist. The post was referred to the special prosecutors' office, which handles crimes involving law enforcement, to see whether it violated police regulations, according to Swedish media.

National Police Commissioner Dan Eliasson said that it was important to distinguish what an officer does in the line of duty and outside of it.

"When he acts in his professional capacity, he should be extremely careful with issues of ethnicity. If he wants to talk about the problems of crime among immigrants in his spare time, he has freedom of expression like any other," he told P4 Extra radio, adding that he knows Springare as a "very good person."

In a second post, Springare denied accusations of right-wing sympathies.

"If you can't discuss the problem of crime among immigrants without somebody attributing it to racist propaganda, we are in deep trouble," he said. "The problem is that nobody wants to talk about this."

Establishing facts about how crime rates correlate with perpetrators belonging to the immigrant community is not the same thing as branding all immigrants criminals, Springare said explaining his position.

Swedish police reportedly has significant problems tackling crime in some parts of the country. There are allegedly at least 55 areas in Sweden, where the law cannot be fully upheld, which are dubbed 'no-go zones' by the media.
http://www.rt.com/news/376582-sweden-cop-immigrant-crime/

panchovanilla's photo
Tue 02/07/17 11:07 AM
The good ol days are gone for Sweden.


no photo
Tue 02/07/17 04:31 PM
Poor Swedes, uncontrolled immigration has ruined their country. I hope the Brits will be able to save their country.

Yep, Zuckerberg is a real nutjob.

no photo
Tue 02/07/17 04:37 PM
you can't say the truth anymore, its not PC... You can think it.. but not say it.

For instance, you can think that Muslins are killing people who are not Muslim... because they are not Muslim.. and in the name of their God... but you can't say it.

Ya just can't say it, so I won't ;)

msharmony's photo
Tue 02/07/17 05:08 PM
Edited by msharmony on Tue 02/07/17 05:11 PM
and get what?

article doesnt say anything has happened except for investigation

but

its interesting that he notes the suspects ethnicity and not the victims

in black communities, mostly suspects are black

same in white communities

or mexican

or asian


unless criminals walk around with their ethnicity on their forehead searching for those without the same on theirs,, crime within communities is not news,,,

truth is great

partial truth can be harmfully misleading

mightymoe's photo
Tue 02/07/17 05:32 PM

and get what?

article doesnt say anything has happened except for investigation

but

its interesting that he notes the suspects ethnicity and not the victims

in black communities, mostly suspects are black

same in white communities

or mexican

or asian


unless criminals walk around with their ethnicity on their forehead searching for those without the same on theirs,, crime within communities is not news,,,

truth is great

partial truth can be harmfully misleading


and do you think this has been happening his whole 47 years, or could it be a recent thing?

IgorFrankensteen's photo
Tue 02/07/17 06:47 PM
As always, the problem with this is sort of subtle.

That is, that there is a TON of duplicity involved, and too many people reacting to it, are either ignorantly or purposely pretending that the duplicity and the erroneous thinking isn't present.

One BIG hint that this guy has problems, is where he (supposedly) tries to hide behind the "I'm not politically correct" trick.

The goal of using that phrase these days, is almost invariably to try to promote racism, sexism, or some other obvious prejudice, by pretending that the existence of even the IDEA of prejudice,is a political myth.

Here's the core challenge: there is a HA-YOOOGE difference, between pointing out that a lot of crimes are being committed by a given subgroup...and instead, suggesting/implying that the SOLUTION to those crimes, is to formally arrange for systematic prejudice against ALL members of that group.

THAT is the problem with this guy's facebook post. As with too many Americans who also chant the "I'm not politically correct" phrase as a mantra/lie to hide their own prejudices, this guy certainly appears to be purposely advocating that everyone become purposely anti-immigrant, and or anti-Muslim, and/or anti Arabic (since he focused on Arabic names).

There is nothing MORE "politically correct" these days, than to declare that you are NOT "politically correct," and then to try to use that as an excuse for your being rude, thoughtless, selfish, or outright anti-democratic.

Milesoftheusa's photo
Tue 02/07/17 09:18 PM
Is anti-democratic a Racist?

mightymoe's photo
Tue 02/07/17 09:21 PM

Is anti-democratic a Racist?


yes, if you're asking a democrat...

msharmony's photo
Tue 02/07/17 10:52 PM
Edited by msharmony on Tue 02/07/17 10:53 PM


and get what?

article doesnt say anything has happened except for investigation

but

its interesting that he notes the suspects ethnicity and not the victims

in black communities, mostly suspects are black

same in white communities

or mexican

or asian


unless criminals walk around with their ethnicity on their forehead searching for those without the same on theirs,, crime within communities is not news,,,

truth is great

partial truth can be harmfully misleading


and do you think this has been happening his whole 47 years, or could it be a recent thing?


only if he spent his whole 47 years in the same locations, and the demographics have always been primarily or largely muslim....

or if muslim terrorism has been the primary headline those same 47 years



no photo
Wed 02/08/17 01:39 PM

Is anti-democratic a Racist?


"Racist" simply means "someone who disagrees with me".



Thank you, SJWs, for taking all of the power out of that word. /s

msharmony's photo
Wed 02/08/17 01:44 PM
what is an SJW?

and the definition of RACISM is:

a belief or doctrine that inherent differences among the various human racial groups determine cultural or individual achievement, usually involving the idea that one's own race is superior and has the right to dominate others or that a particular racial group is inferior to the others.


those who hold such beliefs or express such beliefs are called 'racists'



like this or that group gets arrested more because the 'group' is more criminal,,,,,etc,,etc,,

no photo
Wed 02/08/17 01:58 PM
SJW's generally don't care about definitions, unless they are dishonestly using them as an absolute authority to dodge responsibility for their actions.

For example, the same feminists who demand special privileges and advocate for female supremacy will immediately pull out a dictionary and declare the feminism is a movement for egalitarianism.

To me, SJWs are largely the under-30 liberals who have no sense of personal responsibility, who are so deeply immersed in the an ideology of identity politics they function like a cult, who are intolerant of anyone elses opinion, who are against free speech, who think bullying is fine as long as its done by the right side, who lack a sense of meaning and purpose in life and so invest all of their self worth and sense of purpose in their extremist political/social views, and who eagerly, shamelessly participate in grouthink.

SJWs have ruined feminism and they both started and ruined the Black Lies Matters movement.


But wikipedia has, perhaps, a more useful explanation. Remember, this is NOT about 'equal rights for women' nor is it about 'civil rights', nor is it about a 'positive, functional approach to multiculturalism'. That's the facade, the self deception they engage in:

"Social justice warrior" (commonly abbreviated SJW) is a pejorative term for an individual promoting socially progressive views,[1] including feminism,[1][2] civil rights,[1] multiculturalism,[1] and identity politics.[3] The accusation of being an SJW carries implications of pursuing personal validation rather than any deep-seated conviction,[4] and being engaged in disingenuous social justice arguments or activism to raise personal reputation, also known as virtue signalling.[5]"

IgorFrankensteen's photo
Thu 02/09/17 03:13 AM


Is anti-democratic a Racist?


yes, if you're asking a democrat...


This is an example of political prejudice: declaring that if someone is a Democrat, that they are therefore going to mis-define racism.

It's just as false as declaring the opposite, as usual.


IgorFrankensteen's photo
Thu 02/09/17 03:21 AM
Again. IF such a post,listing all the people with Arabic names who committed crimes, had been posted specifically and directly in response to someone else claiming that NO such people committed crimes, then it would NOT have been a problem.

There was no such argument made at all. Instead, it was an obvious attempt to portray ALL Arab immigrants as inherently criminally dangerous.

Pretending it was a simple listing of facts, is another example of supporting prejudice as a way of dealing with concerns, as opposed to dealing with the criminal acts directly.

Following the same reasoning, anyone with a white European heritage should be presumed to be the real danger when it comes to committing tremendous financial scams and crimes, since the vast majority of those are indeed committed by white European Christians.

The problem with prejudice-as-a-solution people has always been, that they don't think things all the way through. They stop looking at bad behavior, as soon as they are done listing the people that they already hate or fear.

mightymoe's photo
Thu 02/09/17 02:37 PM



Is anti-democratic a Racist?


yes, if you're asking a democrat...


This is an example of political prejudice: declaring that if someone is a Democrat, that they are therefore going to mis-define racism.

It's just as false as declaring the opposite, as usual.




oh, be quiet... you're just as "prejudice" against conservatives as i am against liberals... and yes, that's exactly what it means... liberals have a definition of what racism is, and conservatives have theirs... just because you think you're right doesn't mean you are to other people...

mightymoe's photo
Thu 02/09/17 02:39 PM

Again. IF such a post,listing all the people with Arabic names who committed crimes, had been posted specifically and directly in response to someone else claiming that NO such people committed crimes, then it would NOT have been a problem.

There was no such argument made at all. Instead, it was an obvious attempt to portray ALL Arab immigrants as inherently criminally dangerous.

Pretending it was a simple listing of facts, is another example of supporting prejudice as a way of dealing with concerns, as opposed to dealing with the criminal acts directly.

Following the same reasoning, anyone with a white European heritage should be presumed to be the real danger when it comes to committing tremendous financial scams and crimes, since the vast majority of those are indeed committed by white European Christians.

The problem with prejudice-as-a-solution people has always been, that they don't think things all the way through. They stop looking at bad behavior, as soon as they are done listing the people that they already hate or fear.



blah, blah, blah... only fact that is a fact is that those are the names that were arrested for the crimes... everything else is just your imagination...

motowndowntown's photo
Thu 02/09/17 03:12 PM
It never ceases to amaze me what some people believe is the truth and how quick they are to condemn others who don't see things the exact same way they do.

msharmony's photo
Thu 02/09/17 03:20 PM
isn't that why politics threads exist?,,,,laugh laugh

'only I know the REAL truth',,,,,,

mightymoe's photo
Thu 02/09/17 03:20 PM

It never ceases to amaze me what some people believe is the truth and how quick they are to condemn others who don't see things the exact same way they do.


lol... they are called "liberals"...

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