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Topic: The Power of the Tongue
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Wed 04/05/17 04:08 PM
Edited by msharmony on Wed 04/05/17 04:09 PM
Bill O'Reilly's job is to discuss the day's headlines on his Fox News show, The O'Reilly Factor, but lately he is the headline. Over the weekend, the New York Times broke their investigation into sexual harassment claims against the conservative commentator, revealing that five women have received settlements totaling $13 million in exchange for not pursuing further litigation against O'Reilly or Fox News.

In the aftermath, multiple advertisers want to end their association with The O'Reilly Factor, which happens to be the number-one show in cable news. O'Reilly brings in hundreds of millions of ad dollars every year. Within a day, twenty companies wanted to pull ads from the show, including:

Mercedes-Benz
Hyundai
Mitsubishi and Lexus
BMW of North America
Allstate
Wayfair
Claritin
Bayer
T. Rowe Price
UNTUCKit
Society for Human Resource Management
TrueCar
Nutrish
Sanofi
Constant Contact
POM Wonderful
Orkin
GlaxoSmithKline
AncestryDNA.com
Coldwell Banker
Of course, the advertisers taking a stand doesn't mean their millions of dollars disappear overnight. In a statement, Paul Rittenberg, the executive vice president of advertising sales at Fox News, said, "We value our partners and are working with them to address their current concerns about the O'Reilly Factor. At this time, the ad buys of those clients have been re-expressed into other FNC programs."

The network is still cashing in, but the advertiser exodus maintains some symbolism: the pressure is on for Fox News to figure out what to do with their most popular employee. Last summer, the company ousted its own CEO Roger Ailes after his own sexual-harassment controversy. It might be time for another heave-ho.

http://www.yahoo.com/news/apos-apos-happened-wake-bill-163845850.html


seems making statements and accusations can lead to real time 'guilty until proven innocent' consequences

first one Bill, than another, and another,, I wonder who is next?

Dodo_David's photo
Wed 04/05/17 04:15 PM
seems making statements and accusations can lead to real time 'guilty until proven innocent' consequences


Advertisers aren't required to assume innocence.
Advertisers are free to do with their money as they wish.

Tom4Uhere's photo
Wed 04/05/17 04:16 PM
The price of fame.
Lawrd have mercy you are famous and make a mistake.

'guilty until proven innocent' consequences first one Bill, than another, and another,, I wonder who is next?


Does it really matter? How does it change YOUR life?
Or...Is the real purpose to discuss the 'guilty until proven innocent' issue?

msharmony's photo
Wed 04/05/17 04:18 PM

The price of fame.
Lawrd have mercy you are famous and make a mistake.

'guilty until proven innocent' consequences first one Bill, than another, and another,, I wonder who is next?


Does it really matter? How does it change YOUR life?
Or...Is the real purpose to discuss the 'guilty until proven innocent' issue?



Does it Matter? about as much as anything posted in these forums.

How does it change my life? Not at all yet, but I am interested in more things than just those that impact me.

The purpose is to open a discussion about the allegations against OReilly, the consequences and the trend of consequences before evidence,,,

msharmony's photo
Wed 04/05/17 04:19 PM

seems making statements and accusations can lead to real time 'guilty until proven innocent' consequences


Advertisers aren't required to assume innocence.
Advertisers are free to do with their money as they wish.



Of course those are both true.

I have no illusion about what IS, my discomfort regards whether WHAT IS, is what SHOULD BE

Tom4Uhere's photo
Wed 04/05/17 04:21 PM
The purpose is to open a discussion about the allegations against OReilly, the consequences and the trend of consequences before evidence,,,


To what end? Drama? Supposition? Hearsay?

Thanx for the clarification.
I'm not interested.

msharmony's photo
Wed 04/05/17 04:22 PM
Edited by msharmony on Wed 04/05/17 04:25 PM
noone is required to participate in a thread that does not interest them.

Tom4Uhere's photo
Wed 04/05/17 04:26 PM
I know. I just thought it was about discussing the concept of real time 'guilty until proven innocent' consequences.
That would be something that could have impact on people's real lives.

msharmony's photo
Wed 04/05/17 04:29 PM

I know. I just thought it was about discussing the concept of real time 'guilty until proven innocent' consequences.
That would be something that could have impact on people's real lives.


that could fall under the 'trend of consequences before evidence'

that was mentioned

Dodo_David's photo
Wed 04/05/17 04:30 PM

Folks, keep it civil.

~ David,
Site Moderator

msharmony's photo
Wed 04/05/17 04:31 PM
always flowerforyou

doing my best to answer direct questions directly,,,

TxsGal3333's photo
Wed 04/05/17 04:36 PM
Humm just my take on things when one pays off five different women all for sexual harassment then yea that I would take notice on..

If I was one of the sponsor I would pull back and put my money somewhere else to.....

Just because it did not go to court and he was proven guilty, by them paying them off is good enough for me..

msharmony's photo
Wed 04/05/17 04:39 PM
I understand that. I tend to feel like when it comes to public image, it often just makes more sense to 'pay off' then it does to have it dragged out.

Kind of like what happens with plea bargaining in the justice system. People just want it over with, even if they are innocent, because they have been convinced that noone will believe in them anyway.

Dodo_David's photo
Wed 04/05/17 04:49 PM
If only one woman were accusing Bill O'Reilly of sexual harassment, then his decision to settle out of court to protect his family might make sense.

However, 5 women are making accusations, and one of them is former FNC host Juliet Huddy.

News of Huddy's accusation came before the NYT story.

See Fox News Quietly Settles Sexual Harassment Suit Former Host Juliet Huddy Filed Against Bill O’Reilly: Report

msharmony's photo
Wed 04/05/17 04:52 PM
It makes sense to me,

because each additional one can uncover that you already paid and use that as admission of guilt, making one look even worse in the public eye.

It is best, in my opinion, to never pay, because once people learn you pay they come out of the woodwork and keep accusing.

However, I believe those who do often times are just too naive to believe it could happen again,, and again,, and again, and believe they will just get it to be over with and go away.

TxsGal3333's photo
Wed 04/05/17 04:52 PM
And I understand where you are coming from as well.. If they could do that and it never hit the news then it would not effect them that much..

But in reality it will hit the news and those that think the same way as I do will quit watching the show or many will boycott the sponsor's cause they will take it he is using his power, to say or touch women improperly
and feel that he should not get away with it..

I'm sorry someone accuse me of anything I did not do I would stand my ground till the end regardless... I would never agree to it, just to get a lighter sentence or fine...

There has to be something to it in order for them to pay out five different women a total of 13 Million dollars~~~

Myself, if I had all the money in the world I would still fight it if I was innocent! Even if it cost me more then they were asking for..

Dodo_David's photo
Wed 04/05/17 04:59 PM

It makes sense to me,

because each additional one can uncover that you already paid and use that as admission of guilt, making one look even worse in the public eye.

It is best, in my opinion, to never pay, because once people learn you pay they come out of the woodwork and keep accusing.

However, I believe those who do often times are just too naive to believe it could happen again,, and again,, and again, and believe they will just get it to be over with and go away.



It could also be that other victims of sexual harassment were too afraid to speak out until one victim had the courage to do so.

msharmony's photo
Wed 04/05/17 05:01 PM


It makes sense to me,

because each additional one can uncover that you already paid and use that as admission of guilt, making one look even worse in the public eye.

It is best, in my opinion, to never pay, because once people learn you pay they come out of the woodwork and keep accusing.

However, I believe those who do often times are just too naive to believe it could happen again,, and again,, and again, and believe they will just get it to be over with and go away.



It could also be that other victims of sexual harassment were too afraid to speak out until one victim had the courage to do so.


'could be', but it is nearly impossible to determine when it actually is.

Dodo_David's photo
Wed 04/05/17 05:04 PM



It makes sense to me,

because each additional one can uncover that you already paid and use that as admission of guilt, making one look even worse in the public eye.

It is best, in my opinion, to never pay, because once people learn you pay they come out of the woodwork and keep accusing.

However, I believe those who do often times are just too naive to believe it could happen again,, and again,, and again, and believe they will just get it to be over with and go away.



It could also be that other victims of sexual harassment were too afraid to speak out until one victim had the courage to do so.


'could be', but it is nearly impossible to determine when it actually is.

Yet, the possibility cannot be dismissed.

msharmony's photo
Wed 04/05/17 05:06 PM




It makes sense to me,

because each additional one can uncover that you already paid and use that as admission of guilt, making one look even worse in the public eye.

It is best, in my opinion, to never pay, because once people learn you pay they come out of the woodwork and keep accusing.

However, I believe those who do often times are just too naive to believe it could happen again,, and again,, and again, and believe they will just get it to be over with and go away.



It could also be that other victims of sexual harassment were too afraid to speak out until one victim had the courage to do so.


'could be', but it is nearly impossible to determine when it actually is.

Yet, the possibility cannot be dismissed.


so much is possible, and not to be dismissed

but guilt cannot be determined by only what is possible...

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