Topic: MGTOW..men going their own way?
oldkid46's photo
Tue 05/15/18 10:01 AM
Very difficult to be honest about what you want when most people don't know what they want. By the time they figure out what they really want, the opportunity has come and gone.

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Tue 05/15/18 11:15 AM

Very difficult to be honest about what you want when most people don't know what they want. By the time they figure out what they really want, the opportunity has come and gone.
I was thinking about that Oldkid and there is some truth to that.
but its also a luck of the draw too.

Some people will appreciate the honesty and some people dont, so you're damned if you do and damned if you don't.

Easttowest72's photo
Tue 05/15/18 01:36 PM
When I see a guy say he isn't looking for anything serious in his profile, I delete his email. It isn't what I'm looking for but I appreciate his honesty. I think after a couple of dates you know if it has potential to be serious or if it's someone to see until someone better comes along.

cajunman59's photo
Tue 05/15/18 03:57 PM
When I read a woman's profile I believe the opposite, find it's usually closer to her truth. drinker

indianadave4's photo
Tue 05/15/18 05:21 PM
From all of the responses I still believe that as men and women age (after a divorce) we trust the opposite sex less and less. When we were all younger (teens and 20's) we didn't assume the opposite gender had lots of baggage (we call wisdom today) and were willing to open ourselves up, being emotionally vulnerable.

Now we have huge walls to protect ourselves but we, also, experience a small fraction of romantic possibilities. Rapunzel refuses to let down her hair and is safe but laments that men do not approach her.

Abuses around the #meto movement are causing men to step back for fear of being falsely accused of anything and everything. Are there jerks out there who plan on using women's emotions against them? Yes, and there always will be. Something that I feel is counter productive is a woman filling her profile with anti-jerk rhetoric. This tells a good man she's been burned and will show no respect or trust so they shy away.

On the other hand the jerk will see that and figure she's vulnerable if I bide my time.

So we all window shop and then go back to watching DIRECTV.

gable85's photo
Tue 05/15/18 09:57 PM
I do miss dh.

Mistreating a woman can vary. When married men would cheat and beat their wives back before women had jobs, cars, homes. Weinstein was clearly mistreating women. I believe he is getting what he deserves.

that's all hearsay

indianadave4's photo
Wed 05/16/18 01:24 AM
Edited by indianadave4 on Wed 05/16/18 01:29 AM
The National Domestic Violence hot line:

Nearly 3 in 10 women (29%) and 1 in 10 men (10%) in the US have experienced rape, physical violence and/or stalking by a partner and report a related impact on their functioning.

http://www.thehotline.org/resources/statistics/

At the Hotline, we know that domestic violence can affect anyone – including men. According to the CDC, one in seven men age 18+ in the U.S. has been the victim of severe physical violence by an intimate partner in his lifetime.

Although they make up a smaller percentage of callers to the Hotline, there are likely many more men who do not report or seek help for their abuse, for a variety of reasons.

http://www.thehotline.org/2014/07/22/men-can-be-victims-of-abuse-too/

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Interesting that women organizations and the news media NEVER report on this part of relationship abuse.

By the way, when the ex-wife and I were going through the divorce (2009) I spent time reading articles on Psychology Today and other marriage counseling sites. On Psychology Today I ran into a number of interesting articles (written by men and women psychologists) that, likewise, are never reported in the news.

Of every 100 married men who are having an affair 91 of them are having that affair with a married woman. Of course the mass majority of married women deny this. So either there are only a few married women having affairs with boat loads of men or the quantity of married women having affairs is significantly higher. Our society assumes that women are always the innocent parties but Psychology Today's documented statistics speak otherwise.

Really frustrating that "all men are created evil" but all women are assumed "pure as the driven snow".

Easttowest72's photo
Wed 05/16/18 04:51 AM
They have no fault divorces because judges don't want to hear that crap. If your wife caught you cheating telling her she might have cheated doesn't fix anything. If you were cheating it's time to get divorced anyway.

oldkid46's photo
Wed 05/16/18 07:49 AM

They have no fault divorces because judges don't want to hear that crap. If your wife caught you cheating telling her she might have cheated doesn't fix anything. If you were cheating it's time to get divorced anyway.

When sex ends in a marriage, cheating (as you call it) will be the next result. Most of the time the sex in a marriage ends because of the woman and her emotions. Husbands are more inclined to have sex whenever the wife is willing.

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Wed 05/16/18 08:42 AM
Not true. I've listened to guys talk at work. Everything at home was fine and they had no problems with their wives, they were just cheaters. I've listen to them talk about their wife finding out and the struggle to keep from getting put out. It's a game to them. Reason guys are looking to cheat but don't want to leave their wives. Most divorces are filed by women.

cajunman59's photo
Wed 05/16/18 09:39 AM

From all of the responses I still believe that as men and women age (after a divorce) we trust the opposite sex less and less. When we were all younger (teens and 20's) we didn't assume the opposite gender had lots of baggage (we call wisdom today) and were willing to open ourselves up, being emotionally vulnerable.

Now we have huge walls to protect ourselves but we, also, experience a small fraction of romantic possibilities. Rapunzel refuses to let down her hair and is safe but laments that men do not approach her.

Abuses around the #meto movement are causing men to step back for fear of being falsely accused of anything and everything. Are there jerks out there who plan on using women's emotions against them? Yes, and there always will be. Something that I feel is counter productive is a woman filling her profile with anti-jerk rhetoric. This tells a good man she's been burned and will show no respect or trust so they shy away.

On the other hand the jerk will see that and figure she's vulnerable if I bide my time.

So we all window shop and then go back to watching DIRECTV.


While channel surfing this AM came across a story by a female host refering to a pro golfer being beat and berated by his wife, in front of their kids, for not performing well in a tournament. Per the hostess the woman was justified as she had to keep herself in shape for him so he had to perform at his job. Apparently the hostess thinks assault by a woman is acceptable. Meto at it's best.

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Wed 05/16/18 09:55 AM

Not true. I've listened to guys talk at work. Everything at home was fine and they had no problems with their wives, they were just cheaters. I've listen to them talk about their wife finding out and the struggle to keep from getting put out. It's a game to them. Reason guys are looking to cheat but don't want to leave their wives. Most divorces are filed by women.
infidelity is a complex subject , no two people have the same reasons why they cheat.

The men you speak of are obviously are not in love with their wives, because a man in love whether its his wife, girlfriend, mistress all have one thing in common, they will do anything or next to anything to be with them.

Find a man who is truly in love with his partner and watch him around attractive women, he will not make a play or even signal that he might be willing to even entertain fooling around, a man truly in love is satisfied physically, emotionally and even spiritually, there is a special bond.

You are partially right to some its a game, but the bottom line is they are not in love with their wife for whatever reason.


indianadave4's photo
Wed 05/16/18 07:19 PM

They have no fault divorces because judges don't want to hear that crap. If your wife caught you cheating telling her she might have cheated doesn't fix anything. If you were cheating it's time to get divorced anyway.


Men are automatically demonized for having an affair, as well they should be. But society doesn't delve into who they're having affairs with. All women want to do is be able to malign men without giving a thought to who are these men having affairs with.

My point is there are significant multitudes of married women having affairs and women and society will not acknowledge this fact. ALL divorced women claim to be the innocent victims and men the problem.

By the sources I quoted if 1,000,000 married men are having affairs there are 910,000 married women having affairs with them. Married women should be coming down on married women.

Easttowest72's photo
Thu 05/17/18 06:35 AM
I've posted in dh about a cheating married coworker of mine. But as a single woman I'm sick of all the attention I get from married men. I've seen men cheat who love their wife so much they threaten to kill her if she ever tried to leave. Blaming the wife has gotten old. Especially now that the side chicks have realized he won't leave his wife. Women just need to wise up and don't listen to the crap cheaters spout out. When he starts whining about his wife tell him to get a divorce.

gable85's photo
Thu 05/17/18 08:06 AM
It seems some men are upset that they can't mistreat women anymore. People are still getting married when both people are good to each other. I see men use or try to use women for sex. They get pissed off when they are told no. I see women use men for money. He is usually older and knows he is being used. He gets mad. I don't think either movement has much to do with the war between the genders. I think it's each person's selfish agenda.

again mgtow isn't a movement it is a lifestyle.. besides a movement has to have a leader and mgtow don't have leaders

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Thu 05/17/18 08:13 AM

I've posted in dh about a cheating married coworker of mine. But as a single woman I'm sick of all the attention I get from married men. I've seen men cheat who love their wife so much they threaten to kill her if she ever tried to leave. Blaming the wife has gotten old. Especially now that the side chicks have realized he won't leave his wife. Women just need to wise up and don't listen to the crap cheaters spout out. When he starts whining about his wife tell him to get a divorce.
OMG, do you think you're the only woman that gets attention from Married men?

Find me one woman that hasn't received unwanted attention or advances from married idiots.

That is just life, and while some cheaters who claim to love their wives cheat because its a game to them yes, the bottom line is they have no morals.

No man who is truly in love with their partner cheats, that is fact.
plenty say they are love but they don't know what love is.


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Thu 05/17/18 10:32 AM

I've posted in dh about a cheating married coworker of mine. But as a single woman I'm sick of all the attention I get from married men. I've seen men cheat who love their wife so much they threaten to kill her if she ever tried to leave. Blaming the wife has gotten old. Especially now that the side chicks have realized he won't leave his wife. Women just need to wise up and don't listen to the crap cheaters spout out. When he starts whining about his wife tell him to get a divorce.



That sounds like an abuser.

indianadave4's photo
Thu 05/17/18 03:27 PM
I've been on Mingle2 for 7 years. The subject of marital affairs has come up many times. What has really stood out is that single women seldom make judgemental comments toward married women who have affairs with married men. This topic is typical: men here have stated that married men have no business having affairs. Women seldom, if ever, address frustration toward married women who are part of those affairs: it's always toward the men.

If women refused to become involved in affairs men who are open to affairs would have no one to have an affair with. These women are always made out to be victims: "Their husbands don't pay attention to them" justifies what they are doing. Well, the same, often, happens to the wayward husband. Lack of attention is an accepted excuse for the woman but not acceptable for the man. Sounds like gender bias.

FWIW, Both partners are Consensual to the affair relationship.

gable85's photo
Thu 05/24/18 02:21 PM
I'm gonna simplfy this down for you guys.

You all say you don't like crazy women (the kind that do the stuff you described) but yet you always end up with them.

If you're honest with yourself you'll realize you actually like the crazy. tongue2
women aren't honest themselves; saying they don't want fake guys but they have fake hair, nails, and too much makeup

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Thu 05/24/18 02:32 PM
huh?