Topic: MGTOW..men going their own way?
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Wed 02/21/18 04:46 PM
Is this the end of the human race?!?!

No.
People keep having babies.
It may be more of the beginning of the takeover for those who are having the most babies.

There are 7 billion people on the planet.
Lets say, extremely conservatively, 2 billion of those people are men.
Let's say Hollywood and t.v. show trends are correct and 50% of those are LGBTQRS nanno nanno p now I know my abc's.
That's still 1 billion men.
Let's say 99% of those become "MGTOW" and disappear into the wilderness like Bigfoot, running away from women like Bigfoot runs away from skilled photographers and educated people.
That's still 10 million men.
Let's say 90% of those are sterile.
That's still 1 million virile men.

If tomorrow only 1 million men globally were allowed to procreate, the only thing that would really be all that negatively affected would be the first world individuals convenience as a system which supports the current American lifestyle collapses.

Is it just too dangerous to date today??

Dangerous? No. Not really. The cost/risk/benefit valuation is skewed more to one side, at most.
If dating and relationships actually provided what romance stories, poets, Disney, and yo' mama promised, in as convenient of means as buying a refrigerator from Best Buy, this wouldn't even be a question.

The "me too" movment has turned into a patriarch destruction movement

IMO not really. The "patriarchy" isn't being destroyed so much as being usurped.
Women over time have simply been trained to become more like men to adapt to the system in place, IMO.
Over time it will fail because it can't work that way, women can't really be men.

Think of the criminal laws. In a "patriarchy" they are slightly skewed towards catching/punishing men, towards punishing male behavior, because that's what's more easily recognized. Kind of like men sticking up for each other? Well they punish more harshly those that don't conform to the male power structure, and males not acting like males is more easily identified by males.
Little different than when someone works for a company and learns all the bad behaviors of their fellow employers then gets a promotion they know all the behavior to look for and try to stop, but can't really figure out how to spot or judge the behavior of something they have little experience with.
Can't wait to see episodes of "to catch a predator" alongside "to catch neglectful teen babysitters."

To me there is a difference at least between the patriarchy being destroyed through concerted effort and being destroyed by happenstance.

where do you weigh in on this subject?

I don't know that much about it but I find it hilarious.

Mostly depends on if it's people choosing to self identify as "MGTOW" or if it's outsiders having to come up with a label for something they are seeing others do.
If the former, it's extremely hilarious.

Other than that, for the most part it seems like crappy thinking that is further evidence centralized education is a failure.

Much to do about nothing or the end of dating in the future?

Doesn't really matter if "dating" does disappear.
"Dating" is a relatively recent social phenomenon.
Might as well say "much to do about nothing or the end of discotheques in the future?"

Is this why Japan is investing billions in sexual robots?

I don't know, but I wish they'd invest some more...
Simply because if we're all losing our jobs to automation I need to hurry up and marry a robot ASAP, so I can divorce it and get my alimony income, or find a sugarbot because no matter what to her I'd be a 'real man,' which all chickbots dig.
Of course with my luck all the sexbots would be secret lezdroids or autotrans....I've been fooled before! Stupid windows 10...

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Sun 03/18/18 05:52 PM
your close , single woman are crazy , but when they get in to the right relationship , they chill out . good girlfriends are not found they are made , one slightly less crazy epeisode , after another slightly less crazy epeisode .

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Mon 03/26/18 12:25 AM
It often seems like thinly veiled misogyny to me. If you want to be celibate or unattached, great - more power to you - but when it involves so much complaining about “women these days” and how feminism is supposedly hurting men, it makes me wonder how many of these guys really want to “go their own way”, and how many just want women to go the way men tell them to.

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Mon 03/26/18 02:48 AM
I'm thinking America must be a weird country. I cannot really relate to what you say in your OP.
But if a country needs laws to protect women, then it means there was a need for this. Meaning people have to learn to be more respectful of women.
If other women then use that system then maybe it's time you people review your system.
Like burning your lip on a coffee at Starbucks resulting in an insanely high damage claim that you won't have to work for the rest of the year / 2 years or even crazier... I'd burn my lip everywhere :smile: You can be a millionaire within 2 months in America, lol.

Don't get me wrong, I found most Americans to be very nice, but sometimes I wonder what century or fantasy land you live in.
If it is necessary to have laws so women can be safe, maybe focus your energy on why that is and to change that.

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Mon 03/26/18 08:16 AM
In my childhood, most women where homemakers and men worked to support the family. There were some women who worked, mostly in offices, teaching, or nursing. I remember my mother doing ironing for the neighbor lady. Later, as I was well into my career, my employer was forced by the government to hire women(the minority) into our organization. It didn't matter if they were capable or not only if they had the required degree. The rest of us had to help them do their work. Eventually there became enough educated women who could actually do the job. That same trend continues in different fields with women wanting equality but not having the capabilities or willingness to take the responsibility.

The "Me Too" movement might just be the final straw that starts the war. Yes, some of the things that happened to women were wrong, but many "me too" instances where just someone's feathers getting ruffled yet resulted in the destruction of a career. Why would any male controlled establishment take the risk of hiring a woman, especially a younger one? This whole mess probably started with the college dating accusations and the destruction it caused. Maybe the next step in this will be the requirement for a signed and notarized release from accusations of sexual impropriety. Add that right in with the non-disclosure, no compete document.

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Mon 03/26/18 09:23 AM
Edited by Rooster35 on Mon 03/26/18 09:24 AM

In my childhood, most women where homemakers and men worked to support the family. There were some women who worked, mostly in offices, teaching, or nursing. I remember my mother doing ironing for the neighbor lady. Later, as I was well into my career, my employer was forced by the government to hire women(the minority) into our organization. It didn't matter if they were capable or not only if they had the required degree. The rest of us had to help them do their work. Eventually there became enough educated women who could actually do the job. That same trend continues in different fields with women wanting equality but not having the capabilities or willingness to take the responsibility.

The "Me Too" movement might just be the final straw that starts the war. Yes, some of the things that happened to women were wrong, but many "me too" instances where just someone's feathers getting ruffled yet resulted in the destruction of a career. Why would any male controlled establishment take the risk of hiring a woman, especially a younger one? This whole mess probably started with the college dating accusations and the destruction it caused. Maybe the next step in this will be the requirement for a signed and notarized release from accusations of sexual impropriety. Add that right in with the non-disclosure, no compete document.

The #MeToo witch-hunt madness is the straw that breaks the camel's back.
What man in his right mind would now want to get mixed up with women at work?
It's already dangerous enough to mix up with them in a social setting.
The "Pence Rule" is a life saver, literally, and is now spreading to all corners of the globe as the MeToo movement gains momentum in every country of the world.
I hope the #MeToo madness never dies down. Men and boys need to realize what dangerous footing they're on messing with women in any way, shape or form.

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Mon 03/26/18 09:50 AM

I'm gonna simplfy this down for you guys.

You all say you don't like crazy women (the kind that do the stuff you described) but yet you always end up with them.

If you're honest with yourself you'll realize you actually like the crazy. tongue2

rofl Now this one I can comprehend. rofl

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Mon 03/26/18 12:24 PM


It all started with the Spice Girls. Girl Power. Changed the world, and rumour has it they are getting back together for a new tour.scared Yo, I'll tell you what I want, what I really really want, ---

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Mon 03/26/18 12:39 PM



It all started with the Spice Girls. Girl Power. Changed the world, and rumour has it they are getting back together for a new tour.scared Yo, I'll tell you what I want, what I really really want, ---


rofl

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Mon 03/26/18 12:45 PM




It all started with the Spice Girls. Girl Power. Changed the world, and rumour has it they are getting back together for a new tour.scared Yo, I'll tell you what I want, what I really really want, ---


rofl
laugh
Good one! Duty. You nailed it!

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Mon 03/26/18 03:04 PM

I'm gonna simplfy this down for you guys.

You all say you don't like crazy women (the kind that do the stuff you described) but yet you always end up with them.

If you're honest with yourself you'll realize you actually like the crazy. tongue2


Mmmm...No wrong...Crazy is not good...Crazy is a waste of time...

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Mon 03/26/18 03:25 PM

your close , single woman are crazy , but when they get in to the right relationship , they chill out . good girlfriends are not found they are made , one slightly less crazy epeisode , after another slightly less crazy epeisode .

WOW

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Tue 03/27/18 04:42 AM


I'm gonna simplfy this down for you guys.

You all say you don't like crazy women (the kind that do the stuff you described) but yet you always end up with them.

If you're honest with yourself you'll realize you actually like the crazy. tongue2


Mmmm...No wrong...Crazy is not good...Crazy is a waste of time...

:thumbsup:

A waste of time and dangerous.

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Tue 03/27/18 06:58 PM



in short, I see it as just continuation on the war against the design of family

against the idea of marriage as husband and wife, and either needing the other.

against the idea of being father and mother and children deserving to have both

against the idea of females as nurturing partners and males as providing/protecting partners

against the idea that sex is intimate activity for committed partners

with fewer expectations comes more chaos, and I only see it growing(The culture of no expectation)




who started that war?... Hint, it wasn't conservatives...



abolitionists, liberals, republicans, women ... take your pick of label ...

laugh

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Thu 05/10/18 08:02 PM
I disagree...
mgtow isn't a movement it is a lifestyle of going your own way hence the title...mgtow is set up not just saying watch our the traps of the vast majority of women but as well as learning to follow your own destiny as a man, which means don't put yourself of the society pedestal

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Thu 05/10/18 08:04 PM
some mgtow do have balance but some of the men are trying to be pick up artist.... and don't kid yourself that mgtow isn't balanced

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Thu 05/10/18 08:08 PM

In my childhood, most women where homemakers and men worked to support the family. There were some women who worked, mostly in offices, teaching, or nursing. I remember my mother doing ironing for the neighbor lady. Later, as I was well into my career, my employer was forced by the government to hire women(the minority) into our organization. It didn't matter if they were capable or not only if they had the required degree. The rest of us had to help them do their work. Eventually there became enough educated women who could actually do the job. That same trend continues in different fields with women wanting equality but not having the capabilities or willingness to take the responsibility.

The "Me Too" movement might just be the final straw that starts the war. Yes, some of the things that happened to women were wrong, but many "me too" instances where just someone's feathers getting ruffled yet resulted in the destruction of a career. Why would any male controlled establishment take the risk of hiring a woman, especially a younger one? This whole mess probably started with the college dating accusations and the destruction it caused. Maybe the next step in this will be the requirement for a signed and notarized release from accusations of sexual impropriety. Add that right in with the non-disclosure, no compete document.

The #MeToo witch-hunt madness is the straw that breaks the camel's back.
What man in his right mind would now want to get mixed up with women at work?
It's already dangerous enough to mix up with them in a social setting.
The "Pence Rule" is a life saver, literally, and is now spreading to all corners of the globe as the MeToo movement gains momentum in every country of the world.
I hope the #MeToo madness never dies down. Men and boys need to realize what dangerous footing they're on messing with women in any way, shape or form.

I told a friend that to me feminism is worst than the mafia due to the fact that they use shame tactics as well as attacking men because they don't like rejection.....
also in some workplaces men are being harassed as well

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Thu 05/10/18 08:55 PM
Solution, dont date radical 3rd wave feminists

you're welcome.



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Thu 05/10/18 09:24 PM
Edited by indianadave4 on Thu 05/10/18 09:27 PM
On January 13, Margaret Atwood, the 78-year-old, multi-award winning Canadian novelist, poet and literary critic published a forceful comment, entitled “Am I a Bad Feminist?” on Canada’s Globe and Mail web site, opposing #MeToo and defending the right of every accused person to due process and natural justice.

“The #MeToo moment,” Atwood writes, “is a symptom of a broken legal system.” She warns that if “the legal system is bypassed because it is seen as ineffectual, what will take its place? Who will be the new power brokers?”

#MeToo has already initiated trial by Internet, with the world’s corporate media assuming the role of judge, jury and executioner, as, in Atwood’s words, “stars fall from the skies.” Anyone daring to disagree is treated as “an apostate, a heretic or a traitor.” And punishment directly follows accusation, with no redress.

Atwood has put her beliefs into practice. In her Globe and Mail piece, she explains that in 2015-16, she publicly defended the rights of academic, novelist and friend, Steven Galloway, former chair of the University of British Columbia’s (UBC) department of creative writing, against whom a number of accusations of sexual misconduct had been made.

“The public—including me—was left with the impression that this man was a violent serial rapist, and everyone was free to attack him publicly, since, under the agreement he had signed, he couldn’t say anything to defend himself.”

Atwood’s primary concern is to uphold the right to due process, that is, a guarantee that the rights of any accused are respected.

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A man should be innocent until "proven" guilty. Otherwise it's mob law. If he's guilty then he should face the consequences.

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Fri 05/11/18 05:57 AM
It seems some men are upset that they can't mistreat women anymore. People are still getting married when both people are good to each other. I see men use or try to use women for sex. They get pissed off when they are told no. I see women use men for money. He is usually older and knows he is being used. He gets mad. I don't think either movement has much to do with the war between the genders. I think it's each person's selfish agenda.